#assigned gender

[chronicallyqueercoining2]

ASBC (assigned silly by choice)

[Pt: ASAB (assigned silly at birth) end pt]

[Recoin. Info below cut.]

a label in which one rejects whatever label they were assigned at birth and chooses to reassign themselves their actual gender, which is a gender that is silly, in this case. This may relate to being a clown or jester, or a cringe or whimsy gender, but it does not have to be!

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[mercurial-tboy]

My hot take is perisex trans people didn't steal the concept of agab (+ other variations on that acronym) from intersex people.

People use the word "steal" wrt perisex trans people in this context and I think that it's wrong to do so. I think that stealing is a loaded term to use and not at all helpful.

Like imo what happened is terminology was created (it is disputed by who) and two communities (intersex people and trans people) found it useful. Over many years, some perisex trans people using it started using it wrong and perpetuated intersexism. Which isn't okay.

But honestly, I think the constant framing of (perisex) trans people as "stealing" is disingenuous and contributes to transphobic narratives (e.g. the trans community has also been accused of "stealing" the concept of pride flags, pride itself etc. from cis gays). There were and are ongoing stereotypes that liken trans people to thieves (e.g. "stealing" cis people's daughters/sons and making them trans). I don't think characterising a whole community as "thieves" is helpful or useful.

It's a subtle microaggression I see a lot from intersex people and perisex people supporting the "stealing" framework. The same way bisexuals were accused of stealing terminology from lesbians. The same way lesbians were accused of stealing the word gay. You see what I'm trying to say here?

Certain transphobic microaggresions have been tolerated for way too long in intersex activism imo and honestly needs to be called out.

[humani-dar-te]

amab? afab? what? aren't you trying to know what's in my pants? what if im intersex? I dont know why people don't just use socialized as a boy and socialized as a girl. agab doesn't tell me shit.

[sickly-sapphic]

I need to go back in time and prevent afab and amab from being used the way they are so frequently. I'm slowly descending into madness

[unnonexistence]

hot take maybe but i hate when people use afab/amab as shorthand for anything to do with someone's body, or thoughtlessly uses it as a replacement for gendered language.

like for example if you have a scientific study that says "we found women are at higher risk for xyz than men" you CANNOT just turn around and say "hey guys this study says afab people are at higher risk for xyz than amab people" because you DON'T KNOW!

like, did the study include trans participants? no? then it doesn't tell you SHIT ALL about how someone's assigned gender affects things, because it's not comparing afab people and amab people of various genders, it's comparing cis men and cis women.

oh, and even if it's a medical study you STILL can't jump to conclusions! "cis women are at higher risk for xyz" does not translate to "afab people are at higher risk for xyz" because there are afab and amab people with all sorts of bodies. for example, if cis women are at higher risk for whatever because of estrogen levels, a trans man on testosterone might have a risk level more comparable to cis men, and a trans woman on estrogen might have a risk level more comparable to cis women.

if the study doesn't conclude anything about WHY cis women were at higher risk, or you're not sure if trans participants were included, you might have to say something like "it is unclear how this applies to trans people."

TLDR if you want to replace gendered language with something more inclusive you HAVE to think about what it is you're actually talking about and what assumptions you're making.

[phantasm-masquerade]

Stop fucking erasing intersex people to make your arguments. Stop perpetuating the colonialist, intersexist, exorsexist, transphobic sex binary by replacing traditional "male" and "female" with "AMAB" and "AFAB".

Here's some facts that you should not ignore:

not all people AMAB have (or were born with) a penis, testicles, or prostate.

not all people AFAB have (or were born with) a vagina, clitoris, or uterus.

not all people were either AMAB or AFAB.

there are trans women and transfeminine people who were AFAB but still undergo a feminizing transition.

there are trans men and transmasculine people who were AMAB but still undergo a masculinizing transition.

there are trans and cis people AFAB who need and/or use estrogen (and related) hormone therapy.

there are trans and cis people AMAB who need and/or use testosterone hormone therapy.

the reason that intersex people don't fit into the TMA/TME framework is that this framework was built by people who hate us.

the way AGAB framework is used by perisex people is fundamentally intersexist.

Stop fucking calling people (C)AMAB(s) or (C)AFAB(s) as a noun. AGAB is not a noun.

[cepheusgalaxy]

I feel like, when people hear "gender is a social construct" they think of it like "oh its a made up and therefore fake and silly thing", when actually, a lot of Very Real things are social constructs.

Like money. Or language. These are both concepts humans made up with some purpose and as we grow up in society we also learn and internalize that. Same thing with gender.

Gender as a concept was made up somehow. But when things get made up they become real

Like when the settlers invented racism yknow. /silly

[drmajalis]

Hypothetical question: In a society where babies are not arbitrarily assigned gender and just left to develop whatever gender they fit into, would terms like "trans" and "cis" lost all relevant meaning? If there are no "assigned genders" then nobody transitions, and, nobody stays the gender they were assigned, because they weren't assigned one?