#izzy discourse

[temporal-discounting]

While we're talking about some of Con's rather bizarre takes, what about the "Izzy and Lucius love story never told" thing?

I don't get this at all. I mean, just look at Lucius's face when Izzy crosses a boundary by takes a drag of his cigarette before trying to put it back in Lucius's mouth. That man is repulsed. Lucius would not fuck that old man.

[izzy-positivity]

Despite the discourse I feel like this is the one thing we can agree with. Peace and love on planet earth

[paleoleigh]

Yeah I'll be honest. Reading the interviews with David Jenkins about Izzy and his s2 arc, plus the last few episodes....I have basically no hope that Izzy is going to even apologize for pushing Ed further into his bad place and belittling him for being a soft "namby-pamby". Tbh Izzy's character arc this season feels like a complete 180 from s1 and I'm not loving it. He's not a priority and I'm glad the season is going so well...but like, I've been in the situation where you and someone else aren't getting along, you both say/do some uncool stuff, but only one person apologizes and the other gets off scot free. And it feels so fucking bad. To me, what's happening with Izzy feels like a bully is verbally abusing you so you hit back, but then you get in trouble for throwing the punch with no regard whatsoever for the bully's part in it all.

Don't get me wrong - I'm pretty neutral on Izzy. I could get behind the Izzy redemption arc...if it was clicking with me. And it's just not. It feels really flat and forced from where we left things last season (remember Izzy smiling maniacally after losing a toe and saying Blackbeard is himself again? Yeah. Would love to acknowledge that a smidge.)

Idk. Very open to hearing other people's opinions but again, not interested in an argument or the dizcourse. Izzy fanatics pls dni thank you.

[genderfluidcrowley]

I think what many Izzy-stans fails to realise is that we aren’t saying “Ed hasn’t done anything wrong ever in his whole life, and Izzy is the only character who’s done bad things and he should die”, we are saying that “both Ed and Izzy has done wrongdoings and bad things but so far Ed is the only one that has been held accountable in the show, and Izzy should be held accountable as well”

[batsarebetterthanpeople]

Ok I promise I'll stop Izzy discourse posting for a while after this but one thing that I think is pretty insidious actually is the "you're calling all Izzy stans racist how dare you ect ect" because unless you're specifically talking about that one Anon I don't actually think anyone has said that, at least I haven't. But what I have said is that it's a little racist to do x y z very specific thing when portraying Ed (x y z being a stand in for things like portraying him as an abuser or overly possessive or excessively violent in a show where buttons regularly tries to eat people and Ed feels kinda bad about the murder, portraying him as incompetent. Stuff like that) like I've said repeatedly if you can be an Izzy Stan without doing those things than fucking go for it idc be delusional whatever they're fake. I feel like that's been the line for most of us. Don't throw interesting complex characters of color under the bus to woobify your white fav. Ed isn't a savage. It feels like the "how dare you not all Izzy stans are racist some of us are poc even" line is not only trying to steer the conversation away from a real problem in fandom, but also sort of implies when you say it that you have to do x y z specific thing in order to be an Izzy Stan, which if false seems kind of like you're defaming your own community without anyone else's help, and if true gives the whole game away doesn't it.

But that's none of my business

[itsraininghorses]

LMAOOOOO YOU'RE PATHETICCCC people can reblog whatever they want lol. With art as bad as yours Id take whatever exposure I can get especially from a blog as big as ourflagmeansgayrights..... All you canyon idiots are the same, please stop breathing.

*Sigh* Okay. Let's tackle this like you're a person that's going to give a shit, even though you're not.

1. I'm not part of the Izzy canyon. I'm barely part of the ofmd fandom in general. However, I've witnessed the awful ways people in that community have been treated by people like op and their circle of friends. I don't know that many players in the ofmd fandom, and yet even I know of those more infamously cruel ones.

2. I don't post my art to be noticed or to gain followers. I just want to share my special interest of ponies and enjoy art.

3. I assume you're a follower of op's. I really feel like even they wouldn't want you to go around telling people to die just because they post art about cartoon ponies.

4. I'm barely an adult. I'm not good at dealing with these kinds of things, so I'll ask nicely: please don't drag me into your spiral of hatred. I want nothing to do with it. I'm just here for art.

[biceratops7]

Izzy thoughts that probably get way too fucking personal

I’m not an Izzy apologist nor do I like him as a person because he reminds me of who I used to be, and I hate who I was. I too used to be an anxious confused asshole and it’s like a stain on my life. When Con said “He wants to be better, he really does, he just doesn’t know how”, it punched me in the stomach /pos.

But confusingly I also didn’t like him because I see more parts of myself in Ed. I know what it’s like to be trans grow in my identity and finally start to be happy only for someone close to not leave. Me. The. Fuck. Alone. To act like I’m killing the person they knew so that I can exist, and harass me about it constantly.

Also the stuff Izzy puts Ed through IS really that fucking bad. I’m sorry, it just is. You can deflect this back and go “Ed too!”, but acknowledging Ed’s wrongs should not absolve Izzy of his. I’m at a point now where I just sigh very tiredly when I see statements like “Izzy’s crime was yelling at Ed”because it just… idk, betrays a lack of understanding to me? most of Izzy’s wrongs against Ed are things that aren’t easy to notice unless they’ve happened to you in some form. (Case and point, there’s a lot of people who can tell you “just yelling” or even talking can be very psychologically damaging, see previous paragraph.)

There’s also the fact that Izzy tried to have Stede killed in front of Ed twice. I’ve seen almost everyone ignore this in some way, either not thinking about it what so ever or brushing it off as no big deal because, in the words of Edward also-has-major-faults Teach, “they’re pirates”. However I think many are forgetting an EXTREMELY IMPORTANT part of media analysis, and that’s framing.

These scenes are filmed and acted in such a way that suggests genuine gravity and distress. There’s a big difference between the narrative flippancy of Izzy mentioning that many of Ed’s old crew died on the Spanish ship, or Spanish Jackie’s grief over her favorite husband, and the genuine weight given to Ed’s fear and desperation. Good film makers know how to show you what’s actually meant to be taken seriously in genres where that isn’t always a given.

The framing is trying to tell you that watching someone you love almost die in front of you is fucking terrifying, and it is. It really is. It’s a horrific situation to be placed in, and I’m willing to be bet most people saying Izzy “just yelled” at Ed haven’t really experienced it or something similar.

[batsarebetterthanpeople]

I do genuinely tho want Izzy stans to know that I literally never would have said a single damn thing bad about their blorbo if they had never said "he's never done anything wrong and you guys are being mean to him." like I don't want to have the Izzy trial either, but unfortunately I have been called as a witness and I will not be apologetic about being a witness for the prosecution. Like you could have just sat down and I would make my porn and do my cosplay we could have sang kumbaya and I could have focused on the characters that I cared about but unfortunately I have to see your wack ass takes. So if you have a problem with my meta, you have no one to blame but yourself. Literally my only Izzy take if you hadn't pissed me off would have been "snitches get stitches" in the tags under a gif set of the toe scene back in June. Every meta I make is a call coming from inside the house. You fired the first shot. remember that.