#mandaeism

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[eirikrjs]

sir,i think that mandaeism is a very good background for a smt game. mandaeism is gnostic religion,that means they can keep yhvh is evil trope. theie god is hayyi rabbi,maybe they can make him associated with great will. there are many angels around him,means that we can see many non yhvh angels. demonic planets,dark world queen ruha(another Empty/Void race) and darke ur .In short, the potential is enormous.

I don't disagree! But when people ask me questions like "would so-and-so god" or "this-or-that mythology" work well in SMT, the answer is usually "Yes," but that would be a boring response, so I instead tend to think how likely it is that Atlus will adapt said gods or mythologies. Because the thing is, the series has rarely expanded its diversity of mythological regions and pantheons/religions since the 80s; most of the series to this day is still derived from from the same general pool of Japanese mythology/Hinduism/Judaism/Christianity/Norse/Celtic that has constricted the franchise since the novels and the first two MT games. A recent exception was the long-overdue inclusion of African gods like Anansi and Onyankopon--and their inclusion I think was at the behest of Doi himself.

So while the future may actually shine a little brighter on the prospect of a greater variety of gods and myths, I strongly doubt Mandaeism is going to be considered, due to:

Too much overlap with the series' existing "Monotheism" paradigm; SMT will not add a Mandaean John the Baptist instead of a Christian one, for example.

The Mandean angels are out because SMT is oversaturated with angels at this point; despite this, a literal Milton OC angel in Abdiel was added to SMT5. This says they aren't thinking far beyond their traditional wheelhouse of Jewish/Christian for such "divine messengers."

There's no existing precedent for Mandaeism in the series. That will sometimes reveal a lot about where the creative impetus is, since SMT is an ouroboros of recycling ideas.

Basically, I'm saying it's a bit too creative/obscure for Atlus!

[marsserpent]

Names of Liliths in Mandaeism

Ginza Rabba | The Mandaean Book of John/Drāšā ḏ-Yaḥyā

Lilith Zahriel

The Haran Gawaitha

Sufnai lilith

Diwan Abatur, or Progress Through the Purgatories

lilith Zuṭ

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Another Look at the Mandaic Incantation Bowl BM 91715 - J. N. Ford

Azat/Arwazat

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Mandaic Incantation Texts - Edwin M. Yamauchi

Text 21: Lidzbarski, 1902, V, Louvre A.O. 2629:

Haldas the lilith, and Taklath the lilith, grand-daughter of Zarni the lilith

Buznai the lilith

Text 23, Aramaic Incantation Texts from Nippur - James A. Montgomery, No. 38, CBS 2941:

Lilith Yannai

Text 25, Aramaic Incantation Texts from Nippur - James A. Montgomery, No. 40, CBS 9005:

Lilith Buznai

Text 28: Gordon, 1937 O, no. 91724 in the British Museum, partly paralleled by Montgomery's No. 40:

Buznai, angel.

Text 30: Gordon, 1941, Hilprecht:

Zatan the Lilith

Text 33: Yamauchi, 1966, Yale, same bowl as "The Story of Bguzan-Lilit, Daughter of Zanay-Lilit - Christa Müller-Kessler":

Buznai, daughter of Zanai the lilith

Lilith Zanai, the daughter of Eglima

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Mandaic Incantation(s) on Lead Scrolls from the Schøyen Collection - Ohad Abudraham, Matthew Morgenstern

MS 2087/11 a

Sidamus the Lilith

MS 2087/11 b

Ṣupntan the Lilith - unattested in other source, but compare ṣupnia/ṣupnai lilita, a name that appears in both epigraphic texts and in the Haran Gawaitha.

izdandu lilita (MS 2054/76: 47), iazdanduk lilita (BM 91775)

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Notes on the Mandaic Incantation Bowls in the British Museum - James Nathan Ford

100M - BM 117881

Halbas the lilith,

Itklat the lilith, (Taklat in Segal 2000)

Mšišta the lilith, (Qašišta in Segal 2000)

Piṭyara the lilith and

Piṭyaruta the lilith,

Pigdta the lilith,

Nala the lilith

Niula the lilith,

Siqupta the lilith,

the lilith of the night

the lili of the day

107M - BM 91777

Lilith Ispandarmid, who calls herself Lady Ispandarmid

Lady ... the lilith, the mother of all humartas and all curses and imprecations

Lilith that calls herself Nanay

lilith Zarni, sister of …

who calls herself Mamay

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The Story of Bguzan-Lilit, Daughter of Zanay-Lilit - Christa Müller-Kessler

YALE YBC 2364/BM 132948

Buznay/Bguzan-Lilit

Zanay-Lilit

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Gnostic Ethics and Mandaean Origins - Edwin M. Yamauchi

Suf-Suda, son of the lilith Sufat

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Divine Names on the Spot III, Naming and Agency in Ancient Greek and West Semitic Texts - Thomas Galoppin, Sylvain Lebreton, "Demon names, onomastic sequences, and incantation specialists in Mandaic incantations from late-antique Mesopotamia - Enrico Marcato"

MS2087/1

Martinai-Lilith

Hiṭurpa-Sania-Lilith

Bganit-Ṣupnia-Lilith

MS2054/22:13

Lilit-Ṣupnai

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Mesopotamian Magic, Textual, Historical, and Interpretative Perspectives - Tzvi Abusch, Karel van der Toorn, "Interrelations between Mandaic Lead Rolls and Incantation Bowls - Christa Müller-Kessler"

Incantation on lead roll BM 132947

Komiš-Lilit

Namlik-Lilit

Npazat-Lilit

dog-like Lilit

BM 132168

dog-like Lilit

BM 91777

Ispandarmid-Lilit

Anahid-Lilit

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Studies in the Syriac Magical Traditions - Marco Moriggi, Siam Bhayro, "A Mandaean Lamella and Its Parallels - Matthew Morgenstern, Ohad Abudraham"

BM 132957

Buznai the lilith

Komiš, the lilith

Ṭripit, the lilith

Dnapaṭ Dinariṭ, the lilith

Namlik, the lilith

Malkiat, the lilith

Šašqalia, the lilith

Hṭaṭit, the lilith

Yaldat, the lilith

Azaṭ, the lilith

Npazaṭ, the lilith

Lilith the raiser of dogs, who calls herself Mamai

Ispandarmid, the lilith who called herself Lady

Anahid the lilith

the lilith who sits upon Mount Qalia

lilith that rested and sits and calls herself Nanai d-Nhat (Note 180-181: perhaps nanai ḏ-nhat is intended to explain the origin of the syncretistic goddess Nanai Anahid)

 Qinrati(a), the lilith, daughter of Šarai, who calls herself the goddess of Beṯ M(a)na

O. Abudraham, 'Three Mandaic Incantation Bowls in the Yosef Matisyahu Collection' (Hebrew)

Punaqitai the Lilith. (Matisyahu 1:3–4)

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Reddit link: "Names of Liliths in Mandaeism"

Tumblr Community link: @lilith-lamashtu

[thoughtportal]

Mandaeism: The Last Gnostic Religion?

[estera-shirin]

Incantation bowls

Incantation bowls are a form of protective amulet found in archaeological digs in upper Mesopotamia (now Iraq and Iran), especially in Nippur. They were typically written in Aramaic, most commonly Jewish Babylonian Aramaic, but also in Mandaic, Syriac, and pseudo-Aramaic. The bowls with pseudo-script were likely "forgeries" (in that they did not contain amuletic text) made by merchants for illiterate clients.

Jews, Christians, Mandaeans, Zoroastrians, and polytheistic worshippers all appear to have used incantation bowls, and these objects reveal blurry lines between the different religions. As a Penn Today article notes, "the names of rabbis appear in bowls with otherwise Christian-themed texts and the name Jesus Christ appears on an incantation bowl in Hebrew script."

^ 5th or 6th century CE Aramaic incantation bowl found in Ctesiphon, Mespotomia (now Iraq).

^ 5th-6th century CE Mandaic incantation bowl found at Ctesiphon, Mesopotamia (now Iraq).

^ 5th-6th century CE pseudo-Aramaic incantation bowl found in Mesopotamia.

[tinyuglyworld]

Mandaean baptism in the Karun River in Ahvas, Iran. Photographed by Mehdi Pedramkhoo, 2018

[divinum-pacis]

July 16, 2023: Members of the Sabean Mandaeans, a pre-Christian sect that follows the teachings of John the Baptist, perform rituals in the Tigris River in Baghdad, Iraq. (AP Photo/Hadi Mizban)

[lauralot89]

Abrahamic Faiths

Because I thought there were only three but it turns out there are more.

Abrahamic faiths are religions that worship the God of Abraham.

Judaism: Characterized by belief in the God who revealed himself to Abraham, Moses, and other prophets, and by living in covenant with God according to scripture and tradition

Christianity: Characterized by the belief that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah and the Incarnation of God

Islam: Characterized by following the teachings of Muhammad, who is viewed as the last prophet sent by God

Baháʼí Faith: Characterized by the belief that Manifestations of God have founded various world religions throughout history, with the most recent being the religion's founder, Baháʼu'lláh.

Druzism: Characterized by following the teachings of Hamza ibn ‘Alī ibn Aḥmad and by belief in reincarnation.

Gnosticism: Characterized by the belief that the world was created and governed by a lesser deity, while Jesus was a messenger of the supreme deity and enabled human redemption.

Mandaeism: Characterized by a lack of set doctrines and creeds and by revering John the Baptist as a major prophet.

Rastafari: Characterized by the belief that God partially resides in every person and by the reverence toward the Ethopian emperor Haile Selassie.

Samaritanism: Characterized by the belief that the Samaritan Pentateuch is the only true, unchanged version of the Torah.