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I’m not an expert on characters like Murder and Horror, so those who are who happen to come upon this can correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ll try my best to answer.

For Killer, the answer is a very big yes. In his comics, Killer thinks to himself things like how he can’t be Sans, because Sans wouldn’t kill Papyrus—and this is one of the reasons why he knows he’s “different.” In asks, it’s revealed that Killer doesn’t think he has earned the right to be called Sans again or to ever change his name from Killer. He talks about how he wants to change in his Good Ending—how he wants to be Sans again, and begs Color to help him with doing that.

(To which Color seems to think the way to do that is to somehow fix Killer’s soul—suggesting that the way Killer’s soul was unwillingly changed without his consent had a major effect on Killer’s sense of identity and perception on himself. On top of that, his code—like in a video game, meta sense—was altered from his normal coding to “k1ll_sans,” and we see that code seems to be tied to, potentially “active,” depending on what state (Stage) his soul is in.)

On top of that, there’s the whole “two personalities” thing. A lot of debates in the fandom on what exactly this is supposed to be or represent, but most seem to agree that it is dissociative in nature—so the idea of this character, Sans, having developed a dissociative disorder due to the events of this timeline (Something New timeline) isn’t too far fetched.

According to Google, “Dissociative disorders are mental health conditions that involve a loss of connection between thoughts, memories, feelings, identity, behavior, and surroundings. They can involve involuntary escape from reality and are often linked to breakdowns in memory, awareness, identity, or perception.”

So yes, Killer does not consider himself Sans—or at least, not the Sans he was, and he seems to consider himself different from both alternate timeline Sanses and especially from alternate universe Sanses. This whole identity has a very big hold on his day to day life—Nightmare can use it to override his choices, perceptions, thoughts and emotions. Killer relies internally on these two “personalities” on making his own choices.

He seems to experience black outs and loss of control of his own body when encountering something that triggers his soul into Stage 4 (or when something triggers a flashback that winds up triggering that Stage).

He talks about himself in Stage 3 in a very removed, detached way—not as if it’s a different person entirely, but in a way that suggests that he either doesn’t have control over himself when in Stage 3, or that he doesn’t see any issues with anything he does when in Stage 3 or why he shouldn’t do it or not want to do it because it makes sense to him when he’s “like that.”

He talks about himself when in Stage 2 in a very similar—only with less emphasis on “immediately kill me” and more on “don’t trust me when I’m like that. Ever.”

For Horror, it’s to my understanding that he doesn’t really have any reason or need to consider himself not Sans—Horrortale doesn’t seem to dive much into AU stuff canonically. I do know he seems to have some type of amnesia and/or memory issues, as well as seemingly a bit of a personality change—but that seems to be due to both his skull injury, his current situation and environment, and the trauma of his attempted murder and betrayal of his two friends.

But his identity and sense of self seems to be mostly intact—he is Sans, even if he may or may not remember long stretches of his life before the events of Horrortale.

As for Murder, he also seems to have an intact identity and sense of self—he is Sans—but just different, thanks to time, trauma and stress, as well as his own actions and choices driven by his own desperation. I remember reading somewhere that he just doesn’t like who he was before.

As for Delta and Color, this one’s a little tricky, as not only has that type of stuff not been very picked into in their canons (and Delta has very little), but they also absorbed human souls—souls that belonged to entirely separate, developing beings with their own personalities, senses of selves, experiences and memories, and therefore likely their own motivations, desires, narrative and interpretations of events, goals, dreams, and voices.

I know Gaster still calls Color by “Sans” in the canon Othertale material—but like Horror, it’s not actually canon that Color ever leaves his universe and starts meeting and interacting with other alternate universe characters, besides his encounter with Core Frisk in the Void. He’s also aware of alternate timelines, but not alternate universes.

Not to mention—Color (or Sans) would’ve realistically spent about two decades of his life completely trapped in the Void and isolated from the rest of the world, both physically but also in their own memories.

The person he was doesn’t even exist or matter to anyone else in Othertale. This is bound to cause some identity issues, on top of the dissociating and daydreaming that the trauma and stress and just loss of everything he knows is bound to have—already with the six human souls layered on top like a fucked up identity cake.

We know that superyoumna has said that the souls is not like “multiple personalities,” but adding traits on top of Sans (possibly in a way that makes Color), and we have seen a few drawings of that in action—“you’re filled with Kindness”—and although nothing obviously changed other than the color of Color’s flames and eyelight, it does seem have an almost possessive effect on Color and his behaviors when that happens.

To the point that he’d disregard others boundaries and others saying no in an attempt to be kind, almost in the way a friendly but excited child would—like, for example, very tightly and very suddenly hugging Cross even as Cross struggles, attempts to push Color off, tells him to get off, and calls him a freak.

For Delta, we do see the Bravery soul and Sans communicating—with Bravery encouraging and picking Sans up when his grief and depression stops him from wanting to keep fighting anymore. Gives me the idea that Delta is almost like a fusion from Steven Universe.

So i don’t think it’d be a stretch to potray Delta and Color with some various presentations of plurality/multiplicity, although it is not due to trauma or a dissociative disorder, even if the characters also have trauma (and will show signs of CPTSD and/or PTSD, with the possibility of the souls themselves also having their own memory, traumas, triggers, and flashbacks) and may experience dissociation and identity alteration, identity confusion, switching, co-con, blurred sense of self, fusion, passive influence, and/or just a sense of “becoming” different or someone else. It’d be very rooted in the elements of the fictional universe—magic, supernatural, souls.

Remember that one hc someone made (might've been you?) about Delta having a motorcycle?

This is what would happen if he took Epic and Color with him on his rides:

https://youtube.com/shorts/_SiOfMkXmdQ?si=YK0yqJr_5D2e7hxy

(Lil thing about him and his motorcycle - I feel like on rides by himself, Delta would be a bit calmer. However, as the video stated, "I'm not under the influence, I AM the influence" is the exact energy he has when driving. Especially if it's with his friends.)

I feel like Delta, despite being involved in making and building various forms of transportation, would be highly allergic to actually driving or sitting passenger in a car.

So of course they often tend to go with more bike like vehicles, especially their motorcycle. Which wouldn’t be a problem if not for the fact that they keep getting distracted and taking stops at random sections when they have places to be, so they can often end up late to doctor’s appointments and meetings and take forever to get from and back the grocery store.

And if they don’t have a list made, they can very easily forget what they went to the store for and leave without it or with unrelated items.

This especially gets worse when Color moves out mainly because—as apart Color’s physical therapy, practicing his fine motor skills and adjusting to only having one functional eye socket, as well as just Color’s love for making lists and staying organized and detailed— Color often tended to make and write down the grocery lists.

And I’d imagine that during the early days of Color’s recovery while living with Delta, that the two of them wouldn’t ride on a motorcycle because Color would often get dizzy, nauseous, and overstimulated by all the sights, sounds, people, and sensations.

So they’d walk to stores and appointments together. It helped Delta stay focused now that they had someone else both there to remind them of what they forget and for them to stay attentive of, someone who needed their attentiveness and protection while in a vulnerable physical and mental state, and it also helped Color avoid feeling abandoned, forgotten, and isolated back at the apartment as well as allowing him to adjust to being around crowds of people, to adjust to society as a whole and the regular flow of time, while also getting in physical therapy and exercise.

I’d also imagine that, no matter what, Color probably cannot legally drive at all. Not only due to his physical and mental state, but because his flames could definitely pose a distraction risk. So he’d unfortunately not be able to do things like drive Delta to and from their own appointments and meetings himself, so it’s possible that was something Delta did on their own until Epic joined their duo.

However, given how we talked about Color and Epic both eventually drifting away from Delta for a time (as is common in friendships thanks to life), I like to think that Zorox, being mainly a support dog, is also responsible for ensuring that Delta gets to and from his destinations safely.

Especially if Delta’s ability to stay focused when driving took a steep nosedive during this time due to their own neurodiversity (ADHD, PTSD), as well as their own mental and physical health (major depression, more frequent dissociative episodes, chronic fatigue and chronic pain in the body (iirc Delta’s physical body was cut in half at one point).

And if this is the period where Beta starts becoming more differentiated and autonomous over the body, probably thanks to encountering situations that trigger flashbacks or due to Sans having a lessened grip of the body, more chances of the kid taking control behind a wheel he doesn’t know how to drive).

So during this period, Delta would probably have to rely more on public transportation, walking, or anyone willing to drive for them.

Do you have any Delta and/or Beta headcanons?

I like to think their system operates somewhat similar to a fusion from Steven Universe. Most of the time they are Delta —and appear to be like a singlet.

The reason for this is because Sans is legitimately struggling to operate as only Sans, as separate from the Bravery soul. So for awhile, Sans and the Bravery soul were fused together as Delta, because it gave Sans the bravery to continue functioning.

Eventually, however, it fell apart. I’d like to think it started actually when the bravery soul started remembering more about his previous life—and he could no longer simply function as just Bravery.

Perhaps this was also around the time when either Color and Epic seemed to drift more away towards Killer and Cross, or even around the time they moved out.

With both Beta and Sans struggling so much separately and unable to maintain a fusion, they decided to seek out therapy for themselves and figure out how to work together.

Because now that Beta was gaining more..individuality and self awareness i suppose, developing more but also remembering more, their teamwork was also starting to fall apart.

With time and effort, the two manage to learn to find balance as separate individuals sharing a body, and a mind, and a life.

And they start using their fusion as Delta as a way to find comfort and stability, to try and be closer too, instead of just purely as a last restore lifeline because they couldn’t Sans was struggling with depression and PTSD and the Bravery soul was not just a fully separate, developed individual capable of functioning without Sans in the body fused or blended with it.

Everyone out in the external multiverse will refer to them as Delta, regardless of if they’re actually fused together or not. But as home, in private, with their friends and family—they alternate between their names as Beta and Sans, and Delta when they’re not just Beta or just Sans.

I like to think the animals in the Chromatic Crew household can definitely tell the difference, too.

I also like to think that Delta doesn’t often have amnesia barriers between their two halves, even when they’re not fused together.

There’s still definitely dissociation of course, particularly when encountering a trauma trigger for either Sans or Beta that either triggers one to the front immediately or destabilizes the fusion, but most of the time it’s mostly “emotional” amnesia.

I like to think that, unlike Color, Delta doesn’t have a headspace. Whenever the two aren’t fused and only one is fronting, the other usually is watching from the backseat or is “asleep,” as they describe it.

They have always had pretty good internal communication, but during episodes of intense dissociation, they will verbalize their back and forth conversations out loud to each other.

It helps them to stay focused and grounded, even if they have to block out and ignore the external world and its people for a brief moment—and even if that causes people to give them weird looks if it ever happens in public.

Color has never once found these moments strange, even back when he wasn’t aware of that they were two, not one. He would literally just sit and journal while the two just talked to themselves out loud. At the most he would find the sounds of their voices and breathing grating and annoying and would literally just get up and walk away mid conversation.

Delta enjoys sparring with Cross and Swap, I feel. Delta was also the one who encouraged Cross to join him in participating in the Omega Timeline’s Coliseum, and two of them have earned a reputation as a duo.

I like to think that although the Coliseum is Beta’s favorite location in the OT, Grillby’s is actually Sans’.

It was actually on Sans’ idea that Delta first told Color about the existence of that Grillby’s and was the one who suggested going together, hoping to both help his friend and maybe attempt to connect and bond with Color this way. Unfortunately for them both, it didn’t turn out as they were both hoping for.

The food was amazing. But nothing else was anything approaching familiar for Color. Delta had to tell him what his favorite food used to be, and Color thought the jukebox was on the left. He doesn’t remember if Grillby’s ever had a vending machine or not. Delta still goes to this restaurant occasionally, but it somehow felt lonelier than usual—even though he could feel that his two halves were still there with him.

Beta had a panic attack the first time he fronted alone in the body, and the sounds of bones clinking and rattling together still sends him into hyperventilating.

Delta likes retro-gaming, thanks to Beta’s half of the fusion. Inspired by Color’s tendency towards hoarding and collecting—specifically photos, journals/notebooks, and music records in Color’s case—Delta also started tentatively collecting older video games and consoles.

Unlike Color who enjoys being on the move after years of being forced and confined to one location, Delta is used to being on the move—both as Beta, but also as Delta traveling and hopping between AUs.

They’re trying to get used to being in one steady location in the Omega Timeline, and trying to allow themselves to trust the stability. Starting with trying to make their home seemed lived in, and allowing possessions that aren’t purely for survival’s sake.

Delta also got the actual delta and beta symbols tattooed somewhere on their body, perhaps around their collarbone or hands. It looks like this:

Not only is it just the symbols of their chosen names together on their shared body, not only are these symbols commonly used in math and science—and so those who love mathematics, science, engineering, etc. may choose to get these symbols as tat—but according to Google, the delta symbol spiritually means;

“In a spiritual context, the delta symbol (Δ) is often associated with change, transformation, and the Holy Trinity, particularly within Christian traditions, and can also represent the concept of a divine ternary or triad.”

And the beta symbol not only means this, but can also means something like;

“In a spiritual context, "beta" can refer to the second letter of the Greek alphabet, often used to denote something secondary or a stage of development, and can also be associated with brainwave activity during alert, focused states.

In Hinduism, "Beta" signifies a term of endearment used by Nimai to address the cowherd boys as his sons, highlighting a deep, affectionate bond and a sense of familial connection within their community

In neuroscience, "beta" brainwaves (12-30 Hz) are associated with alert, active, and focused states, such as when solving problems, making decisions, or engaging in critical thinking.

While not a universally accepted spiritual term, some interpretations link "beta" brainwaves to a more active, external focus, contrasting with the more relaxed, inward-focused states associated with alpha and theta brainwaves.”

I was also thinking that, maybe to remember and honor Frisk, they got the alpha and/or epsilon symbols tattooed on their body, too.

The Alpha not only goes with the Omega—Chara—but is said to represent a beginning, so together they represent “the beginning and the end.” The epsilon is even used to refer to children sometimes. You can find that here.

(Also side note, according to this, “In music, more accurately in jazz, delta represents a major seventh chord.” And I feel that’s something along the lines that Color said to Delta sometime after their first meeting. Because Integrity knew it.)

But I was also thinking maybe Ultratale/Vitaltale Frisk could potentially be nicknamed Theta, because it’s apparently a symbol of death and Thanatos in Ancient Greece, but that felt a little too on the nose. And I didn’t feel like doing extensive research into every Greek alphabet letter at the moment.

And of course, Frisk died in their AU and never went into the Multiverse like Beta and Sans did, so they of course don’t officially have a nickname. So perhaps Sans just gets whatever letter makes him think of them.

Delta Anon here with another little question, as recently my area got hit with a big ass rainstorm and it got me thinking as usual.

Do we think Beta would have a phobia of rain/thunder?

I looked it up and from pretty much everywhere I've seen, the Philippines get hit with typhoons very badly, with two deadly typhoons ("Yolanda/Haiyan" and "Pablo/Bopha") somehow lining up with the actual Undertale plotline of 20XX, along with other typhoons that either fell out of line with the 20XX plotline, or were less damaging than the two I already mentioned.

Anyways, I bring this up to say that depending on when Beta was alive during all this, he could have possibly lived through one of these typhoons or have been young enough to hear the horror stories they left behind. He may have grown up being taught to fear the water he and his friends or siblings swam in.

And depending on his parent's jobs, he could have also possibly learned how to perform life-saving measures in case of drowning or going under the water for too long, whether it be for a typhoons or to protect other kids in the bodies of water they swam in.

(Personally, I like to think his mom might have been a nurse, or at least he had a few aunties who were nurses, so they would've been able to teach him some things. Along with Color being interested in medical things as well, Beta would probably request lessons from him - and it might even help him remember those bits of his past.)

And actually now that I think about it this could make a lot more sense in regards to his backstory. What if the way he found out about Mt. Ebbot was him seeking shelter under one of its smaller caves - one that would be more towards the forest ground rather than up in the mountain - during a heavy spout of rain?

I'd imagine he ended up in that position due to him playing in or near the woods (if he was allowed to), but due to the heavy rain it wasn't safe to head back to his home. So he sought shelter in whatever dry area he could find that looked safe, stable, and without an animal already living in it. And once he found shelter in one of Mt. Ebbot's caves, he's been fascinated ever since. Which would of course give detail as to why he wanted to prove himself by climbing it fully, and thus falling into the Underground.

And if he had siblings, maybe he dragged them into the cave with him. I can imagine Beta being a very good older brother, but also a younger brother as well (maybe he was the middle child? Idk). So if his siblings and him were out playing, he most likely would have brought them to the cave with him. And they got to see his curiosity and fascination with the cave spark.

(Seperate little headcanon here - I think that there are multiple Mt. Ebbots around the world that connects the Monsters all Underground. If it was a war between Humans and Monsters, then surely it would have been world-wide. The Monsters would have had to seek shelter somewhere. It would make sense if there would be multiple Mt. Ebbots to connect them all to one place, one shared Underground, no?)

Of course, once he fell into Mt. Ebbot later on, he would probably be very wary of Waterfall. Does it act the same way the typhoons at home did? Is it capable of creating a typhoon in the first place? What would happen if it was, where would he hide?

But now that he's with Delta in the Omega Timeline, depending on how much he remembers, do we think it would still affect him? Cause it could be a fully subconcious thing, even if he doesn't remember why he fears the sound of rain.

Assuming the Omega Timeline has non-dangerous weather (but weather nonetheless), the minute he hears rain or thunder, his fight-or-flight kicks in full gear. He doesn't know why he starts having flashbacks and panic attacks during storms, or why he remembers calling out certain names of people he no longer recognizes, or why he craves to find safety in dark, dry places during them.

It might impact how he functions as Delta, too - if they're on a mission somewhere protecting someone and rain starts up, their first instinct might be to grab whoever they're protecting and hide with them somewhere safe, including teammates.

Or if they're in a fight and a storm is brewing, they might get a sudden urge to run from the rain, unsure if it'd be safe to risk continuing the fight - which could also inspire an idea to leave the enemy to the storm and hope the rain takes care of the problem for them.

(And since he already doesn't like fireworks, depending on the reasoning, I can see him honestly disliking the storms more than the fireworks. The loud noises rival each other, but the potential trauma from typhoons would make the storms arguably worse.)

Anyways, now that he's with Delta, Color, and Epic, I can see their first interaction with a storm in the Omega Timeline (again, if it has weather) definetly exposing that fear.

The first time he probably experienced a rain storm was when he was alone with Delta, I'd assume. Depending on when it happened, it either threw Sans entirely or he could've had a bit of time to understand some of Beta's fears and how to help (if he had learned a bit about Beta's past prior to this).

Regardless, it still probably startled and confused Sans/Delta why Beta all the sudden started having flashbacks when he heard the thunder roll and the rain start. Beta would probably run to a safe place (and drag Sans with him), away from windows but padded to protect himself from debris - such as under the bed or inside a closet/cabinet. It took quite a while during and after the storm to convince Beta it was safe.

Along with that, the first time it happened with Color and Epic, it might've unfortunately happened outside. They were on an outing, and before they knew it, they got caught in the rain. Now, obviously, Delta doesn't feel comfortable showing any signs of fear outside of his home (hell, he doesnt even like showing it there), so I think the panic would be more internal. Especially if Beta was really freaking out about it, and Sans is trying to calm him down so he doesn't show too much panic (he knows his kid doesn't like seeming scared in front of anyone, even their friends).

But if the storm was really getting bad, I can see their friends starting to recognize their nervous tics - pacing, fidgeting, constantly checking outside and/or the weather app, scanning for exits and safe places to hide. Maybe even trying to drag Color and Epic with them to safety inside a store or library.

Obviously, as we all know, they would clock that shit immediately. They'd recognize that Beta is taking some control, but they'd also see that something clearly isn't right. I'd imagine they let Delta lead them to wherever they feel necessary to go - they know better than to try to stop him from protecting them. But once they make sure Delta has relaxed a bit, they ask him about it.

He'd deny it, naturally. What are you talking about, seeming nervous? Who would fear a little bit of rain and thunder? (Why would they admit to it in public?)

Yeah, that facade lasts until the lights start flickering. And if the storm is bad enough, maybe the lights go out completely for a few minutes.

But don't worry! Everyone nearby can see. Because unfortunately, that scared Delta/Beta so badly that they're glowing now. Lights suddenly going out during a bad storm is never a good sign.

Of course, Color and Epic would take them somewhere more private immediately for questioning and comfort. By this point, Beta's mostly taken over and the kid is definetly having a panic attack - Sans, however, is trying to regain control to help calm him down. Which only makes the outward panic worse, especially if they're both talking out loud to each other, trying to reassure themselves of reality whilst having no fucking clue what's going on anymore.

I feel like during this kind of moment, Color and Epic would back off a bit and let them sort it out. They'd be there to provide comfort, of course - if a loud roll of thunder passes by and Beta suddenly reaches out ("I'm not scared, I'm just- trying to protect you!") or if Sans is trying to ask for something to soothe the kid ("Hey, listen, we need to breathe right now. There's a blanket in that corner, it's soft, do you want a blanket?"), they would help. And if Zorox was there with them, then obviously he'd do his job in comforting and grounding them in reality.

I'd imagine it'd take quite a while to get them to calm down. Maybe the lights have come back on by this point, and Beta relaxes a bit when they do. He might take lights coming back on as a sign of safety - surviving the storm.

They'd probably go home after that, once the rain stopped. They'd probably focus on calming them down the rest of the day, especially Beta.

Anyways. Thoughts?

(And sorry if I yapped too much, this one got me excited to think and write about it 😅)

One thing I learned while doing brief research into the Philippines and Filipino culture (and i still plan to do more, definitely), is that multi generational homes are not uncommon, even if that often means an overcrowded home environment.

So even if Beta had been the oldest of his siblings, or the baby of his siblings, he could still very well have the experience of a “middle child” because he, his siblings, and his parents could share a very close living space if not a connected big house with their cousins, including Beta’s grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc.

I also definitely do think Beta has nurses, doctors, and people in the medical profession in his family—especially his mom. In the same vein, I also wouldn’t be surprised if other members of his family were involved in their local church/religious community, such as nuns, priests, preachers, etc.

I also really like the idea that Color having a very clear and passionate interest in the medical field could also be one reason why Beta was drawn to him—but also, i wouldn’t be surprised if the kid subconsciously always expected Color to leave and go far distances eventually, as his mother did in his life.

(And would also explain why he felt so intensely about Color eventually moving out of the apartment he shared with Beta and Delta, because Beta is subconsciously reacting to previous abandonment trauma and dealing with emotional flashbacks. The body keeps the score and all.)

With the context of how the weather is in the Philippines, and the two previous big typhoons matching up, I do think it’d be reasonable for a child to both know how to avoid, survive, and recognize the signs of an approaching or developing typhoon.

Especially if Beta was caught in one while alive, or perhaps his family faced a loss—either someone Beta knew personally, or just someone who passed before Beta was born but he grew up constantly hearing about this loss family member. And the grief and trauma of family loss, if not the loss of a home and community, shaped the family environment the child was born into.

I really like the way you tied in Beta’s adventurous nature and the reality of typhoons into how he first discovered a Mt. Ebbott and how it developed into his later fascination and desire to prove himself but climbing and exploring the whole thing.

Especially the thing about multiple Mt. Ebbotts (even if the mountains may be given their own different names in the UltraTale/Vitaltale AU depending on where they’re situated, and what types of people, cultures, civilizations build, rise, and fall around them.)

Also I think it’d be interesting that—if we go with the idea that the orange/bravery soul was locked in the jar for many years to the point it kinda loss or came out of it with absolutely no memory or sense of identity or self at first, only to eventually run into situations, people, names, aus, that bring up confusing emotions or murky, muddy flashes of memory where the child can’t make out clear details or map out a timeline of their life before the jar— that a part of Beta’s character will be at first starting to recognize that there is a self at all outside of bravery.

Then there will be both an arc of trying to build a self, while also recovering and discovering a self that is distinctly “before.” There can be murky details of the past to build a baseline for this character, but also the present and the future are unclear—so there’s plenty of opportunities to write and explore the bravery soul down many different paths.

If the bravery soul starts to develop a differentiated sense of self from Sans, or not. If the soul wants to uncover the past so badly, or if it’s attempting to live in the now while the past keeps intruding on its new life, its second chance.

If the soul may even want to reject regaining a sense of self separate from bravery or Delta at all, between itself and Sans, perhaps because it feels easier, safer, or maybe just what it likes best. That it’s okay with just being Delta, or the bravery soul, and not exploring who the child was before or trying to figure out who he is now.

Hey..Catholic Delta.

To be more specific, his creator is apparently Filipino. According to Google, the majority of Filipinos are Catholic.

Sans was Underground, and seems to have been raised and born there. So even if the Mt.Ebott of Ultratale/Vitaltale was in the Philippines, Sans likely would’ve been somewhat removed from the human cultures and customs above.

However, Beta would not have been—he could’ve been grown and raised in the Filipino culture and customs.

Meaning he could’ve likely grown up and been raised Catholic, and after Sans absorbed his SOUL years later and Beta starts remembering more about his life and culture, he could’ve started sharing these memories with Sans via dreams and through their fusion as Delta.

And if Beta clings to his faith as a source of hope and familiarity, that could likely show up in Delta. Especially if Delta starts remembering a life he— and the body he’s in—never actually lived, and Sans has no clue about any of it.

It could lead Delta to feel torn between these two worlds, and start questioning his faith.

Since Sans has no experience with human religions and Beta was a child at the time of his death, Delta may experience religious influence more as emotional imprints and memories rather than strict doctrinal belief.

Religious guilt and sin. Beta may have internalized ideas of sin, penance, and the fear of disappointing others, especially authority figures.

Since Delta experiences overwhelming survivor’s guilt and struggles with the belief that he failed people he was supposed to protect, this could mirror the Catholic concept of mortal sin and the need for repentance.

Even though Sans himself may not believe in sin, Beta’s influence might cause Delta to view his perceived failures as moral failings rather than circumstantial.

The Catholic belief in forgiveness and redemption could create a longing within Delta to atone for past actions.

Beta may subconsciously associate helping others with seeking absolution, even if Delta doesn’t consciously think of it in religious terms. Acts of service, self-sacrifice, or trying to prevent others from suffering might reflect this.

Beta might have grown up believing in the traditional Catholic concepts of the afterlife. Memories of fearing Hell or longing for the promise of Heaven may linger in Delta’s mind.

Considering Delta’s experiences with the Underground’s soul mechanics, this could lead to existential confusion.

Delta may struggle to reconcile what he knows about monster souls, determination, and the Underground’s mechanics with Beta’s belief in eternal judgment.

He might question if monster souls face the same fate as human souls or if Sans is truly “soulless” in the eyes of a human God.

Beta’s memories might resurface when Delta feels vulnerable or overwhelmed.

Carrying or wearing symbolic items like a small rosary, a crucifix necklace, or even a Sampaguita flower (symbolizing purity and resilience) could provide comfort, even if Delta no longer actively practices the faith.

During moments of distress, Beta’s muscle memory might compel Delta to trace the Sign of the Cross or whisper a simple prayer like the Hail Mary or Our Father. It may not always be a conscious choice, but more of a grounding mechanism.

Memories of Filipino Catholic traditions like Simbang Gabi (night masses leading up to Christmas) or Holy Week re-enactments may bring bittersweet comfort.

Delta may find himself longing for the vibrant community gatherings and comforting rituals that Beta once cherished.

In an attempt to feel connected to Beta’s past, Delta may prepare traditional Filipino holiday foods like bibingka or puto bumbong during Christmas, or observe Undas (All Souls’ Day) by lighting candles and reflecting on those who have passed.

The Catholic value of serving others and the Filipino concept of Bayanihan (community support) may influence his actions.

He might go out of his way to help others, particularly those he perceives as vulnerable or suffering, as a way to channel the selflessness that Beta admired.

Delta’s Catholic-influenced ideals of forgiveness and redemption could fuel his resentment toward Killer. He may see Killer as someone refusing to seek redemption or atone for his actions.

Sans, who never had human religious beliefs, might feel frustration or confusion at the intrusive thoughts of guilt, punishment, and the concept of sin that Beta’s influence brings.

Delta may find himself rejecting certain aspects of Catholic doctrine while still clinging to the comfort of familiar prayers and rituals.

During moments of vulnerability, Delta might worry that the suffering he and those around him experience is divine punishment.

However, the more rational side of him — influenced by Sans’ perspective — might push back against this, creating an internal tug-of-war.

Over time, Delta may learn to separate Beta’s childhood understanding of religion from the more complex adult perspective he’s developing.

Rather than viewing God as an all-judging figure, Delta might find comfort in the Catholic teachings on grace, mercy, and unconditional love. Delta may ultimately find peace in honoring Beta’s cultural and spiritual roots without feeling bound by dogma.

Lighting candles for the dead, practicing kindness, and appreciating the beauty of community and resilience could become personal spiritual acts, rather than strictly religious ones.

Also, given the HC that Beta grew up with an abusive or neglectful family, it’s very likely that Beta could have been deeply involved in Marian devotion given his circumstances, particularly in the face of abuse, neglect, and extreme fear.

According to Google, in Filipino Catholic culture, devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary is incredibly significant, and children in difficult environments often turn to Mama Mary for comfort, protection, and a sense of maternal love — especially when their own families are abusive or absent.

Coming from a neglectful or abusive household, Beta could have idealized Mary as the ultimate, kind, protective mother figure. He might have prayed to her often, believing she could offer the nurturing and unconditional love he didn’t receive at home.

After falling into the Underground and becoming separated from or having to leave Toriel, Beta may have clung to his Marian devotion more desperately.

Prayers like the Hail Mary or the Memorare (“Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary…”) would have been comforting mantras in moments of fear or despair.

In the darkness of the Underground, the idea of a gentle, watchful presence like Mary could have brought Beta strength.

Catholic teachings often emphasize Mary’s suffering during Jesus’s Passion and death. For Beta, who endured fear, pain, and eventual death, this might have made Mary feel deeply relatable. He may have believed that she understood suffering in a way no one else could.

Even as Beta fought for survival, Marian prayers may have lingered in his mind. He might have whispered them for courage during terrifying moments or when hiding from threats. The belief that Mary intercedes for those in need would have brought him comfort.

Upon his death and the entrapment of his soul in a jar, Beta’s connection to Mary may have become complicated.

Feelings of abandonment or confusion — questioning why his prayers weren’t answered — could leave him struggling with resentment or doubt. He might fear that even Mary, whom he saw as his protector, ultimately could not save him. Or didn’t want to save him.

Despite that, the deeply ingrained need for her comfort would remain. Echoes of past prayers and a yearning for her presence might be an underlying part of Beta’s emotional landscape, even after fusing with Sans as Delta.

While Sans would have no frame of reference for Marian devotion, Delta would likely retain some of Beta’s subconscious reliance on it.

In times of extreme stress or despair, Delta might instinctively recall Marian prayers or clutch at a symbolic item like a small rosary that Beta once owned.

Delta, with Sans’ pragmatic view of the world, may struggle to understand the spiritual comfort Beta once found in Mary. He might dismiss it as childish or naive, yet find himself unable to completely sever the emotional attachment.

Over time, as Delta works through his trauma and comes to terms with Beta’s past, he may gradually reclaim some of the peace that Marian devotion once offered.

Even if he doesn’t fully believe in the religious doctrine, the act of prayer itself — especially to Mary, a symbol of comfort and protection — could remain a grounding mechanism.

Delta might unconsciously seek out objects like a small Santo Niño statue (representing the Christ Child) or a Nuestra Señora de Peñafrancia pendant, items that Filipino Catholics often keep for protection. Beta’s memories may give these symbols a lingering sense of safety.

During moments of grief or remembrance, Delta may light a candle, say a prayer, or even observe traditions like All Souls’ Day (Undas) — not strictly out of belief, but as a way of honoring Beta’s roots and coping with loss.

Given that Delta experiences flashbacks and/or dissociation, running his fingers over rosary beads might serve as a tactile grounding method, echoing Beta’s coping mechanism.

Delta may eventually confront the question of why Beta’s prayers weren’t answered. Through this, he might come to a more nuanced understanding — not of a world where prayers are simply granted, but one where resilience, love, and memories endure.

While Delta may not fully embrace Catholic beliefs, continuing small acts of Marian devotion might become his way of showing Beta — and himself — compassion.

Speaking to Mama Mary may become less about seeking divine intervention and more about finding a quiet moment of reflection and emotional release.

How bad do we think deltas crashout was

To the point he probably legit can’t remember half of it and Beta can’t tell what actually happened vs what was a dream, if any of it was a dream because neither can remember ever falling asleep or lying down specifically to go to sleep.

Okay hi this is so random but I was listening to Puppet Boy earlier and obv it reminded me of Killer and Nightmare... but then I got thinking.

What if Delta got kidnapped by Nightmare?

I fear he’d kill himself and Nightmare. He’s a straight menace in a fight and stocked to boot with heaps of reckless, somewhat endearing but all sorts of terrifying, bravery.

He’s going to be fist fighting any time they try to take him out of wherever they’re keeping him, assuming he doesn’t recognize immediately that fighting at every chance he gets and running his mouth could result in being bound and gagged. And he needs his hands and legs free.

He’d definitely be actively planning his own escape. He knows for certain that Epic and Color and Cross will come looking for him, he’d rather they not be anywhere near Nightmare or his castle.

One of his main concerns would probably also be trying to stay stable—to not allow himself to split off into Sans and Beta yet, he can do that when they’re safe.

Sans can’t afford to give up, and Beta is a child—it’s not his responsibility to try and motivate Sans to help him save them all while afraid himself.

So he’ll find a way to save himself—maybe even make it home before dinner! Here’s to hoping Nightmare doesn’t just decide he’s more trouble than he’s worth and decides to have him killed or tortured.

How do you think Delta's relationship with Beta would be if they were a human who tried to do a no mercy route before being killed?

I actually asked myself a similar question, but with Color and the Justice soul if the Justice soul was Clover in their living life, a Clover who did a Vengeance route.

Because Clover has the soul of Justice and—at least according to the Wiki, because i haven’t watched a playthrough of UTY or this route myself yet—seems to be doing everything they do with the belief that they’re saving the human souls, I came to the conclusion that Othertale Justice soul/Clover would absolutely despise and distrust Color/Sans.

They’d not trust him, and be prejudiced against their physical body’s species. And this Justice would absolutely despise Killer—hate him. I came to the thought that Othertale Vengeance Clover would be all about protecting the other souls that Sans absorbed and used without their awareness or consent—which is definitely something I think Clover would’ve held over Color’s head for years.

I think this Clover would be overwhelmingly distrusting of monsterkind, bitter, and their anger would be that righteous type of fury. But that they also wouldn’t allow anyone to mistreat or hurt Sans’ body—because Clover’s main goal is to protect and keep the other souls’ alive. So they can have the second chance at life that they believe Monsterkind stole from them.

They don’t care for Sans, but the other souls (and themself) are linked and tied to Sans’ life and body now, regardless of if they wanted that or not. So the Justice soul protects the souls and the physical body, and protects Sans from external people—like Killer—if harm to Sans means harm to the souls.

Even though in the same second, Justice could turn around and be unbelievably verbally cruel and mean towards Color, definitely very criticizing. I do think the Othertale Justice soul/Clover is the soul that tends towards very extreme black and white thinking.

That’s the possibilities I came with in regards to the idea of Color having absorbed a Justice soul that is Clover, and a Clover that has done a Vengeance route or has otherwise done violent actions against Monsters.

So when it comes to Delta/Sans and the Bravery soul he absorbed, i suppose it depends on the Beta’s motives as to why he did it. Clover/Justice did it because they believed that Monsterkind deserved it, that they killed and harmed children (the souls), and they tried to harm them—a very justice turned into vengeance, black and white view.

Meaning Color absorbed the soul of someone who’s very set in their views, and likely wouldn’t have just changed their views completely or considered a more nuanced perspective just because of time spent trapped in a jar against their will.

Or because a Monster took them and the other souls out of the jar, not to save or help them—but specifically to use them for their power. To use them against their will, without consideration for them and without even trying to seek consent. Justice/Clover sees it very black and white—doesn’t consider the reasons why Sans did what he did, just that he did it and benefitted from it.

So why would Bravery commit or attempt to commit a No Mercy route, and what would Beta be like having been taken out of the jar? Were they a kid who was scared, believing they were acting in self defense, lashing out and hurting before they themself were hurt?

Did they see it as a challenge or test of their strength, their bravery? Did they believe they were a superhero? Did they fully understand and comprehend the effects of their actions? Were they unbelievably reckless and careless in their bravery, unaware of their full strength?

Things like that would probably factor into Delta and Beta’s dynamics.