Hello I’m drunk and thinking about six of crows agaiiiiin (why is this a recurring phenomena???? Ah well can’t complain this has happened like twice now?? That’s not too bad tbf)
I’ve had a lot of Soc related dreams in my time fun fact
Anyway
Do you guys ever think about the fact that Wylan had precious few memories of his mother?? Even though he lost her at a similar age to Jesper, who remembers his mother clearly?? To Kaz losing his Da, who he’s implied to remember well?? (I have more thoughts on Kaz’s active choice to bury those memories and his freaking constant parallels to Matthias but that’s no relevant right this second)
Do you ever think about that in conjunction to Wylan being taken abroad and “everywhere” with his father all the time?? Bc sometimes I imagine Marya standing up to Van Eck in attempts to defend Wylan and I don’t imagine that was the only time she stood up to him (her defending Wylan is probably part of why he sent her away) and I wonder whether since we know she was probably not safe in her marriage (and probably didn’t chose it based on what we know of Alys and how the Kerch patriarchal system works) and I wonder whether to some degree Van Eck separated her from Wylan as some kind of effed up punishment for standing up to him because Wylan had very clear memories of going away w his father and is implied to have some kind of photographic/eidetic memory like Kaz in the whole card counting thingy so why would he have so few memories of his mother if not because he was actively kept away from her during those periods that he still has clear memories of?? Idk but ultimately van eck is a skiv and I wouldn’t put it past him to punish Marya by separating her from Wylan and like he wouldn’t out rightly state it but they both knew that was what he was doing yk??? Anyway that’s just a theory I have
As I said in my previous post, I made some predictions (I haven't released them yet) about plotlines for both SaBs3 and SoC spinoff, and some of this has been confirmed by Christina Strain — especially regarding SoC — so I decided to post them. *So cool to see that some of my assumptions was that close to the script🥺*
Translations under the pictures; I translated only the most important of what matched
/Fun fact: of all the versions of potential plotline I considered, the closest one was the one I considered last, ahaha/
*Most likely it will be a mini-series, probably 6 episodes long*
*If this happens, then each episode will be dedicated to a specific character*
*The atmosphere of the series will be darker than SaB, and despite the existing differences from the books, they will leave this component*
*There is an option that half of the plot will touch upon or indirectly precede the events of season 3, and for the second half it will consist of flashbacks and backstory of each of the Crows before the start of season 1*
*We will be shown flashbacks from childhood and the first meetings of the main trio*
There was just my rambling about other possible versions 😆
*They rescue Matthias from Hellgate*
*Finally some interaction with Colm*
*Potential episode order: Kaz>Jesper>Inej>Nina>Wylan>Matthias* though, it was not fully confirmed
*Wytthias friendship*
For now, that's all that matches up with what Ms. Strain said. I wonder if something else will coincide, completely or partially🤔 Of course, it will be great if Christina and the writers team put some more plot fragments on public display, but... I hope more that we will just see it on the screen😏🤞
These were all my thoughts, which related exclusively to the spinoff. But a huge part of my thoughts regarding the Crows plot is in my assumptions about season 3, since I was more inclined to think that most likely the spin-off will not be given the green light and their entire story will unfold within the framework of SaB. I will be sure to publish all related posts when I have enough time to translate them all and present them in the most digestible form. In the meantime, I have only a small part of them ready, which you will see soon🙌
No mourners, no funerals! We never stop fighting 🤝
Being a sociology major will ruin your fucking life. Getting a job is lowkey the easy part because of your versatile the major is. The hard part is viewing every interaction and theory and system through a sociological lens. It’s fucking exhausting.
One that I would very much like to use for a fic eventually, probably isn’t true though it is an interesting idea, and has several points to back it up but whateves XD
SAID THEORY: I don’t think any of the sides were particularly close before the videos started. Yes, the main three knew each other and vaguely got along but I don’t think they spent their free time hanging out and bonding and such. As in, I think they spent most of their times in their rooms unless they absolutely had to leave.
(Have a read more because my thoughts got long, like really long guys rip)
Starting from the beginning we have several different clues that back this up, the very first being Thomas’s first line that kicks the whole series off: “Do I really know myself as well as I should?” as well as “I don’t even know if I know me.”
Thomas himself, is questioning how well he knows himself, whether he means his personality in general, or how connected to his subconscious and motivations he is, is unclear. However it does give us a basis: Thomas is confused about himself. With the sides being a part of Thomas we could connect it into meaning that they don’t know each other; hence Thomas doesn’t know himself.
The first episode, in fact, has a few more moments to help increase the depth of this theory. The one that stands out to me the most has to be this one:
It’s honestly one of my favorite gags, but at the same time. One has to question: why is Patton only talking about this now? If they were spending huge amounts of time together then wouldn’t Patton have noticed the similarities earlier? It could be some sort of inside joke, but the flat look that Logan gives him suggests otherwise
Yes, Logan is upset, maybe a little frustrated that Patton is pointing out what seems like the obvious. However, another thing that sticks out to me is the lack of amusement that seems to accompany Logan’s interactions with Patton later on. This is him being unimpressed through and through.
Which is interesting, seeing as if they did know each other, Logan would perhaps, know and understand that this is normal behavior for Patton.
The other thing from the first episode that catches my interest is just how little the sides talk to each other. They throw out suggestions, often in response to each other but everything is directed at Thomas. Not including the end card they exchange a total of six lines directly to each other, and including the end card there is ten, if my count is right.
Most of which is Logan and Roman dragging on Patton about doing a quartet, which doesn’t strike me as a very friend thing to do. (which also relates to a different theory of mine that I’m working on and have yet to post)
But to get back to the main point, they all act as if they’re used to speaking with Thomas, not each other. They lack the connection and perhaps habit and comfort? in the ability to speak with one another. They’re all participating in the conversation, but it seems more like a class lecture with everything being focused on the teacher than a family talking about things.
Which then leads into my next, somewhat meta point:
Almost all of the episodes after that, don’t have all four sides in them. Way Too Adult- Just Patton, Taking on Anxiety- Just Virgil and briefly Roman, we get them all for a moment in A New Year of Lying but then it’s followed up by The Dark Side of Disney- Roman and Virgil.
It’s at this point that there’s a slight shift, with Mind V Heart- Patton and Logan, before there’s a good stretch of four episode before the next one without all four, My Negative Thinking- Logan and Virgil. (And the very last being the latest, Why Do We Get Out of Bed In the Morning?- Logan and Roman but it’s later on so its not as relevant to this part)
But it’s almost as if they’re struggling to find a pattern that works. Yes if we’re leaving verse it’s probably Thomas trying to figure things out before Joan hops aboard but in verse, it almost seems as if they’re reluctant to be all in the same place. Not to mention that a good 90% of them are two of the sides butting heads.
They still have so many problems to work out in the beginning, and so many different ways to butt heads. It almost seems like there’s no pair of them that can work properly together from the very beginning. Perhaps because they don’t know each other all that well or haven’t tried to work together all that often? :3
To swap back to the episodes, in Negative Thinking, there is one point where Patton is taking care of an injured Roman off screen. Logan responds with:
Which at first seems to contradict the idea that they don’t know each other all that well. At least until you ask: why wouldn’t Patton know that? Patton after all, is the paternal one, so why hasn’t he taken care of Roman before? Surely if he did, he’d have fed him some sort of soup, prompting Logan to tell Patton about the problems of cream based ones.
Which also begs the question: Why hasn’t Logan told Patton about this before? Why are they only finding out about it now?
Then there’s A New Year Of Lying To Myself, where their reactions to being put in the same room is to immediately start arguing. (And Logan’s immediate reaction to Roman appearing is a drawn out No *coughs*) Which meta-wise is the fact that Thomas only really films when conflicted BUT OVERTHINK WITH ME HERE
There’s Growing Up, when they all talk over Patton. Making Some Changes, when they all immediately take different sides as well as need to verbally state which “side” they’re on. Am I Original? When their first thought about DayDream Mode is to leave as soon as possible. Mind V Heart, when Logan and Patton seem unable to even think about things from the other perspective.
To me, it seems as if there is still so much more that they are learning about each other. Discovering new things, as if they were all meeting for the first time, or at least hadn’t bothered to learn about them before. Which leads to my next (and hopefully final) points.
Their names and their rooms
Room-wise we don’t have huge amounts yet, so most of my evidence is based off of Virgil and Patton’s room. Mostly Patton’s because we know that Virgil didn’t spend a lot of time with the others. There are still some points that I can make however.
In Moving On pt. 1, when they all appear in Patton’s room everyone is looking around like they haven’t seen it before. (Logan- “There seem to be a high concentration of items encompassing your education here Thomas.” Roman- “The show memories! The performances!” Virgil- “Are these all your old journal entries and stories that you wrote in middle school?!”)
Not a single side outside of Patton acts like they’ve been there before. Thomas, the character not the actual person, I’m assuming is the same age as RL!Thomas. So around 27-28-ish around the time the videos start, which gives the sides about three decades to get to know each other.
So why have they never been in Patton’s room before?
And there’s their names.
Until the name reveals not one of them used their real names. It’s all Princey/Prince, Dad/Morality, and Logic. Until Patton slips up with Logan’s name, there’s no indication at all that they have any thing else to call each other. Patton says to Virgil at one point “Not even we know your name”
Which means that they did in fact know each other’s name and yet, chose not to use them. Almost as if they’re not comfortable with the fact? Or perhaps they don’t have permission to. Aside from Logan, all of them make a rather big deal, well not a big deal but at least place some importance on revealing their names.
As a sign of trust and closeness with Thomas.
So why not with each other to?
TL;DR All the sides didn’t know each other that well at the start of the series but learned to so that we could get moments like this here:
And I’m so proud of the boys for getting there <3
(also huge thanks for @milomeepit and their help with the screenshots!!(
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I remember last semester I was sitting in my Sociological Theories class and we were talking about micro agressions and my dumb ass said "micro transactions" because I'm a fucking dork
