"Idk i just think this fandom throws out the words "toxic and abusive" too much"
please just rewatch s3 :-0 keep an eye out: even if joyce doesn't take his shit, he's still CONSTANTLY giving her shit.
also she objected to a date with him numerous times. she clearly wasn't over bob, and he tried to pressure her into getting over him. he even then says it's not a date which is when she finally agrees after tons of pressure. she keeps saying no and he keeps objecting to her response. that sounds kinda toxic to me. but we're all entitled to our own opinions.
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