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SORTING DISNEY VILLAINS (1937-1989)
For *spooky season.* I suspect this will be easier than sorting the heroes, who tend to be reactive while villains are very clear about what they want and what exactly they’re going to do to get it. Let’s see if this ends up being the case.
I go into a lot more detail about this character analysis system here, and talk about the move away from the HP terminology here. But here are the basics:
PRIMARY (ie MOTIVE)
BADGER ~ Loyal to the group.
SNAKE ~ Loyal to yourself and your Important People.
LION ~ Subconscious Idealist. Ideals are linked to feelings and instincts.
BIRD ~ Conscious Idealist. Ideals are linked to built systems and external facts.
SECONDARY (ie METHOD)
BADGER ~ Connect with the group. Make allies, work steadily and well. Be whatever the situation calls for. If you find a locked door, knock.
SNAKE ~ Connect with the environment. Notice things. Tell people what they want to hear. If you find a locked door, get in through the window.
BIRD ~ Collect skills, knowledge, tools, personas, useful friends. If you find a locked door, track down the key or learn to pick the lock.
LION ~ Be honest, be direct, speak your truth. Either the obstacle is going down or you are. If you find a locked door, kick it in.
THE EVIL QUEEN (1937) - BURNT BADGER / BIRD
So. I know that in Snow White the Queen's Thing is Vanity, but. The ‘Vain Villainess’ trope is about the fear of becoming less powerful in a world that only values you for your looks.... which doesn’t actually seem to be her issue? The Queen seems pretty darn unchallenged in her universe. That’s almost part of the problem - there’s an addiction/obsession/paranoia flavor to the way she’s constantly checking in with the Mirror.
I don’t think the Queen is actually obsessed with Snow White’s beauty. I think she’s obsessed with her innocence, her “heart” (that’s literally what she asks the Huntsman to bring her, Snow’s heart in a box.) Snow White isn’t just the “fairest” as in the prettiest, but the fairest as in the most fair-minded, the most honorable. The presence of Snow, with her optimism, kindness, and trust is an existential threat, proof that the Queen is going about things all wrong. The power we see her wield definitely has an edge of sadism: She forces Snow to wear rags (none of the other princesses wear *rags.*) And I’ll be haunted by this image of the Queen’s dungeons forever.
So even though my first instinct was to go Hedonist Snake primary for the Evil Queen, that’s not right. She’s not focused on enjoying herself. She doesn’t seem conscious enough of her own desires to be a Bird, and Exploded Lion is possible… but I’m going with Burnt Badger. An obsession with being “Fairest of them all” seems to suggest a group-focused, External-facing primary, and I absolutely see how the extremely UnBurnt Badger Snow White would really get under a Burnt Badger’s skin.
Obviously a Bird secondary. The Evil Queen is Mad Scientist coded, even has a literal evil laboratory. The “Old Crone” plan features a transformation, a costume, and is very much an Actor Bird persona.
THE WICKED STEPMOTHER (1950) - SNAKE / BADGER
While she does seem to get some sort of sadistic pleasure out of controlling Cinderella, the Wicked Stepmother’s main motivation is her daughters. Her daughters kind of suck, but that doesn’t actually matter. The Stepmother is going to make sure they get that happy ending, with all the targeted loyalty of a Snake Primary. There’s a Badger secondary in there too, which you can see in the way she’s… subtle. The Stepmother takes away Cinderella‘s privilege bit by bit… but never actually goes after her directly. She manipulates her daughters into doing her dirty work (like the way they tear up Cinderella’s dress) so she can always maintain plausible deniability. She’s prim, she’s proper, she’s Lady Tremaine. Dark Courtier Badger, all the way.
THE QUEEN OF HEARTS (1951) - LION / LION
This Queen’s thing is that she’s childish. She wants what she wants NOW. Doesn’t matter if it makes sense, doesn’t matter if it’s impossible. The Queen of Hearts functions as both a lesson to Alice (authority figures don’t always know what they’re talking about) and as a warning (this could be you if you don’t navigate the transition to adulthood properly.) I see a very young Glory Hound Lion primary in the way she forces everyone else to cheat so she gets the emotional reward of winning the croquet game. I also want to attribute the Queen of Hearts’ extremely short fuse to her Lion primary - she acts on what she’s feeling the *second* she starts feeling it, and never questions this. Also she's a Lion secondary. There’s no plan. She lives in Wonderland. She’s living moment to moment.
CAPTAIN HOOK (1953) - BADGER / SNAKE
Unlike the Queen of Hearts, Captain Hook does not seem to be *of* the magical land he lives in. He is this outside force trying to impose order on Neverland, leading the only rigid organization there and constantly tying up/imprisoning the main characters. Hook is also the only one threatened by the concept of time (the ticking crocodile.) *Peter* will never grow old. But somehow Captain Hook will? Or feels like he will? Tradition also says that the actor playing Wendy’s controlling father should play Hook as well (the Disney film uses the same voice actor in both roles) so there's definitely something about toxic order going on. In the world of Peter Pan, Hook/Father becomes representative of adulthood/society/the Man. That makes him an Authoritarian Badger primary, defined by his organizations.
For his secondary - Hook’s not much of a planner. He’s most effective while he is talking an angry Tinker Bell into helping him, and in that scene he’s charming. He flatters her, pivots according to what he thinks she wants to hear, and while Courtier Badger secondary is possible, I think this feels more like Snake. (I also think you have to be some kind of Improvisational secondary in order to hold your own against Peter.) It makes sense - Hook has to be appealing and seductive as well as threatening, because that's kind of what adulthood is.
MALEFICENT (1959) - BIRD / LION
Maleficent feels socially slighted in a very *abstract* way. She doesn’t seem to have an emotional response to either the other fairies OR the King and Queen OR Aurora. Her curse doesn’t have anything to do with with her social standing, or her power, or her role in the kingdom. We actually don’t know what Maleficent’s deal is. Maybe by not inviting her to the christening the kingdom has broken some important Rule of hers. Or maybe she’s just torturing people because she’s bored, and this is a fun Project. (That is her plan with Phillip after all, and this image will ALSO always haunt me.)
But either way, she’s a Bird primary. The only question is if she’s more of a System-Building Bird, or a Project Bird.
Unusually for such a cold villain, I think I want to give her a Lion secondary. She’s patient, and her plans take place over long time-frames, but the plans themselves are direct - “When your daughter turns sixteen, I will kill her.” Done. Also, when Maleficent is threatened, she turns into a giant dragon who certainly does not plan, and her goons (while useless) are very loyal. So another point for Inspirational secondary.
CRUELLA DE VIL (1961) - LION / LION
Cruella wants a coat made out of Dalmatian puppies. That’s it. So I'm putting her in the same category as Hannibal Lecter, someone doing this for the *art,* the ~*~aesthetic~*~ of the thing. But unlike Hannibal, nothing about Cruella is cold or considered. I don’t think she’d be able to tell you why she wants that Dalmatian coat apart from “It’s fabulous, darling.” So instead of going Bird primary (the typical Weird Villain sorting) I’m saying she's a Lion. Cruella seems to have an aesthetic-based morality: "fabulous" and "non-fabulous," instead of "good" and "bad." She’s a Fay Lion primary, like Jack Sparrow.
Her secondary is harder. She definitely has goons, but they’re useless, and don’t seem to like her much. She doesn’t plot or face-change. She clearly likes Anita and doesn’t like Roger, and never bothers to mask this. Cruella first tries to buy the puppies - then sort of seems surprised when this doesn’t work? Honestly, the main impression I get from her is that she’s… not trying very hard. She only really starts to care right at the very end, when she’s driving with wild hair and crazy eyes, as her roadster falls apart around her. I’m going with Lion secondary to reflect that tendency she has to operate at either 1% or 100%.
MADAME MIM (1963) - LION / SNAKE
Madame Mim has a sort of a professional rivalry going on with Merlin, and dislikes when Wart calls him “the greatest wizard in the land.” So of course she challenges him to a wizard duel. She wants to be the best, she wants to win… and that’s all there is to it. So we have another Glory Hound Lion primary.
It’s very clear that Madame Mim loves transformation. She switches between her different faces as many times as she possibly can over the course of a single conversation. Notably, she has a sexy version of herself that she uses to charm people into doing what she wants… and there’s no reason she couldn’t wear that all the time. But she doesn’t want to. Mim gets a lot of joy out of her fluid Snake secondary, and when she’s not solving a problem she just wants to chill out in Neutral.
PRINCE JOHN (1973) - EXPLODED SNAKE / BIRD
Prince John’s motivation has a couple of layers. Obviously, he’s a *little* bit too excited about taxing on the citizens of Nottingham… but that’s because he’s overcompensating. His main visual design element is a crown that doesn’t fit. He’s not King John, he's Prince John, only in charge until his other (better) brother Richard comes home from the Crusades. That’s why he’s so easily flattered - he’s incredibly insecure. But his conflict isn't with Richard, exactly. It’s really... mommy issues. Everything John does is to please Mummy (an off screen-character.) Very Exploded Snake primary.
Secondary is hard because John is incompetent. He mostly solves problems by pointing the Sheriff of Nottingham at them. It’s a running joke that he doesn’t actually listen to his advisor Sir Hiss, who generally has the right idea but isn't a suck-up. I guess John does lay kind of sophisticated traps for Robin Hood? They don’t work, but the intent at least is Bird. So I guess I would have to go with that - a pretty incompetent Bird secondary.
PROFESSOR RATIGAN (1986) - BURNT SNAKE / BIRD
Unlike Madame Mim and Merlin, whatever Basil of Baker Street and Ratigan have going on does not feel like a professional rivalry. Technically Ratigan is plotting a coup… but he spends approximately 85% of his on-screen time entirely focused on Basil. They are at least ex-friends who now hate each other (and it’s really easy to read them as straight-up bitter exes.) Even his hatred of being called a “rat” seems to be linked to Basil - that's an insult Basil uses, implying that Ratigan is motivated by hedonism and ego, and not by the purity of the puzzle the way that Bird Primary Basil is. Really, he’s criticizing Ratigan for having a Snake primary motivation.
Ratigan is very obviously a very loud Bird secondary. He loves lists, he loves Rube-Goldberg devices. He’s based off Professor Moriarty, it's Snake Bird all the way down.
URSULA THE SEA WITCH (1989) - SNAKE / BIRD
So Ursula wants to take over, be the new monarch of the sea… which is usually a Glory Hound Lion motivation. But there's the implication the she's doing this to specifically screw over Triton... which would make her more of a Snake. Ursula also has a *very* hedonistic approach to life, something you often see in Snake primaries with small circles. It's just her and her “babies," the eels Flotsam and Jetsam. He eels also seem very emotionally important to her, as far as villain minions go. This could be another example of Snake primary loyalty.
I don't know, I just think a Lion primary Ursula would be angrier, more of a Scar. She’s doing her own thing, and makes use of an opportunity that falls into her lap. This is structurally a story about King Triton (who has the big emotional arc and the most character change) so it makes sense that she is specifically a Triton villain, and Ariel was just unlucky enough to get in the way.
I'm actually going to say Bird secondary for Ursula. I agree that she gives off Snake secondary *vibes,* and absolutely might model or perform it for fun. But the way she wins over Ariel is by spouting facts very fast and very confidently, then getting her to sign a bad contract - it’s a Corrupt Lawyer beat more than anything. Vanessa, Ursula's alternate form, is more an Actor Bird transformation (Wicked Queen style) and less a Snake secondary playing around (Madame Mim style.) Vanessa is Ursula's version of Ariel - she even speaks with Ariel's voice. That's a Bird secondary approach. When Ursula‘s plans start falling apart, she doesn't pivot. She starts looking very Lion secondary - exactly like Bird secondary Ariel does when she’s overwhelmed.
Tl;dr
Double Lion - Queen of Hearts, Cruella De Vil
Lion Snake - Madame Mim
Snake Bird - Prince John, Professor Ratigan, Ursula
Snake Badger - Wicked Stepmother
Badger Snake - Captain Hook
Badger Bird - Evil Queen
Bird Lion - Maleficent
Hello~ how would you describe each of these? <3
Isfp 9w8 <- Harry Potter. Calm, ignores things that bother him until you push his buttons, and then he YELLS IN CAPITAL LETTERS.
Isfp 6w7 <- the heroine of Shadow and Bone, always doubting, distrusting, and yet seeking connections that make her feel safe.
Isfp 3w4 <- the chick from Spinning Out, that Netflix show about an ice skater who has to win, win, win, and pushes her mind and body hard, because she can't fathom coming in second place.
i don't get how goals work i've never had a target goal i just flow through life like a little leaf being carried by the wind
ISFP, 9w1
269 The Good Samaritan
For the 269, life is all about getting along. Pairing the avoidant nature of 6 and 9 with the helpfulness of 2 gives this type a unique motivation to soothe conflict and encourage acceptance an understanding in everyone they meet. Far from being a victim themselves, the 6 leads them to reserve trust for only their closest friends, but the 9 tempers this distrust with an almost universally non judgemental disposition. In trying to always be nice, the 269 may sometimes fail to speak their own truth when it is needed.
(description by @naughty-nanny)
ISFP | 9w1
The ISFP 9w1 values harmony, authenticity, and personal growth, making them compassionate and creative individuals who strive for balance in their lives.
They are often introspective and have a strong sense of empathy, making them attuned to the emotions and needs of others.
Thinking” Women and “Feeling” Men
Hi, I recently watched the movie Firelight (1997) influenced by your blog posts. I really enjoyed it (although I found some parts of the plot quite unlikely). Just as you liked that the story brings a rational woman and an emotional and sensitive man. Being a 9w1 istj, I miss female characters who are the thinking type, especially in romance movies. Do you have any other recommendations for movies or series in this regard?
This type of interaction escapes a little from the interaction dynamics of the cloying clichés of current movies and books. Ps: I saw your music video dedicated to this movie. And I agree with you, this movie reminds us of Jane Eyre
Firelight is incredibly implausible (how is the wife still alive?), but… it’s so passionate and sexy and romantic I forgive it. ;) I love it.
Finding thinker women/feeler men combos is difficult if you limit it purely to romance; there are some in other genres, though.
Elinor/Edward in Sense & Sensibility (ISTJ/ISFJ), Katniss/Peeta in The Hunger Games (ISTJ/ESFJ), Molly/Roger in Wives & Daughters (ISTJ/ISFJ), Helen/James from All Creatures Great and Small (ESTJ/ISFJ), Amanda/Graham in The Holiday (ENTJ/ESFP), Annie/Gabriel in The Patriot (ESTJ/ESFP), Caroline/Dwight in Poldark (ESTJ/ISFP), Anna/King Mongkut in Anna and the King (ESTJ/INFJ), Hermione/Ron in Harry Potter (ESTJ/ESFP), Estella/Pip in Great Expectations (ESTJ/ISFP), Mary/Matthew in Downton Abbey (ENTJ/INFP), Hayley/Elijah (The Originals), Gwendolyn/Daniel in Daniel Deronda (ESTP/INFP), Lois Lane/Clark Kent (STP/SFJ), Ginny/Harry in Harry Potter (ESTP/ISFP), Veronica/Archie in Riverdale (ESTP/ESFP), Angel/Michael in Redeeming Love (ISTP/ISFJ), Selene/Michael in Underworld (ISTP/ISFP). There don’t seem to be any NTP women + feeler men in the archives.
I saw a ton of people thought elsa was INFJ and I was curious your reasoning for ISTJ? I love how you approach Si doms and was curious why you thought she was one over Ni dom.
I get asked this a lot, so search the tags for my previous arguments (and what I wrote on her profile should be evidence enough), but firstly, she is not Fe/Ti. An IFJ would explain things to her sister using emotional language and Elsa just shuts her out without explanation and gets lost in her own feelings. She also never shows Ti -- Ti users work around problems through tinkering with them, and Elsa simply gives up in the first film without trying to figure out how to "hack" and control her magic. An INTJ would be a visionary with a specific plan for her reign, and she is not and does not. She is highly creative and artistic, but that is not limited to Intuitive types. Her reasoning for not wanting her sister to marry Hans is that she barely knows him, not a Ni sense that he is up to something. She mostly does what her parents told her to do, and then when she escapes, she runs away into the woods, creates another castle, and does the same thing she was doing before -- only happily this time because it's a self-imposed isolation. This speaks to her love of familiarity. The second film shows her being more reckless and taking chances (again, without consulting anyone or thinking about their feelings -- no Fe), but she is still slow to figure out who she actually is (weak intuition).
Frozen Enneagram
Anna - 2w1
Anna cares a lot for the people around her, going out of her way to make others happy. Because of her two core, she is always seen interacting with others, she is always seen saving the day in one form or another. We often see this in her interactions with Elsa and her interactions with her kingdom- she is consistently seen wanting to make sure others are safe, sometimes at her own detriment. Her one wing gives her the strong desire to do what’s right, protecting Elsa, getting Kristoff a new sled, after losing his old one. Doing the “Next Right Thing” and destroying the dam, after discovering its origins. Because of Anna’s kind and helpful nature, however, others (Hans) sometimes try to take advantage of this for their own personal gain.
Elsa - 9w1
Elsa, more than anything, wants peace with everyone, including herself. She struggles with confrontation, and runs away at the first sign of conflict, and struggles with this throughout the first movie- which is very typical of type 9s. Even in the second movie, she continues to struggle with confrontation, pushing Anna off on a boat, when she tries to present arguments. She does, however, seem better at this, and seems to face problems head on, instead of running away from them. Like her sister, she has a one wing, she wants to do the right thing, but to her, the right thing is separating herself from her environment, to protect them from her.
Kristoff - 6w5
Until he meets Anna, Kristoff doesn’t have a lot of faith in the outside world- which makes sense. In his song, “Reindeers are Better than People”, he describes how untrustworthy people are, and how he only really trusts himself. He is self-reliant, not really trusting of Anna’s judgment (rightfully so), and struggles to come out of his shell. In the second movie, he is much healthier, and instead, sometimes questions his relationship with Anna, but still remains very loyal to her.
Olaf - 7w6
Olaf wants nothing more than happiness, whether it’s through experiencing summer, or exploring new knowledge, he does everything to do so. He is trustworthy and optimistic, encapsulating all of Anna and Elsa’s best traits, and doesn’t like missing out on important things (like summer). Because of this, he often comes off as naive, and unable to read the room, but more often than not, means well.
color association series: isfp - harvest golden yellow, pale rose pink, mulberry red-violet
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469 The Seeker
The 469 is one of the most insecure tritypes. This type is known as the Seeker because it is the overarching theme of their lives. 4 seeks to find its most authentic expression within the person to quell feelings of shame, while 6 and 9 both seek reassurance from the world to calm fears and outrage. 469 must work constantly to not get caught up in these insecurities so much that they are paralyzed from acting on their authentic truths.
(description by @naughty-nanny)
ISFP | The Adventurer
Gentle, practical and creative, ISFPs want the freedom to live their own lives and make their own decisions. Highly curious and with an innate need to try everything, this type of personality is known to dabble in all areas of life. They see life itself as canvas for self-expression.
Reblog with your MTBI personality type...
…and the type you always wanted to be!
I´ll start!
INTP –> ESTJ
INTJ -> ESTP
ENFP -> ENTJ
ESFP -> ESFP
ENTP -> ENTJ
ENTP -> ENFP
ISFP -> ESFP
ISFP -> INFP
ISFP. Because we're just the best.
Rihanna: ENTP + ennea 7 + sx/so
Rihanna isn't an intuitive. She's probably an ESFP, definitely at least an ISFP.
ISFP problem: Being a grown adult and still not knowing what you want to do when you grow up.
Two things can be true:
1. Fe is biased towards collectivism and Fi is biased towards individualism.
2. An individual can be either a collectivist or an individualist in their ideology regardless of their type.