In Love

Don't mind me, just here for the ships and I'll be on my way (20+ y/o) My current favorite ship is - Puffcest/Utoniumcest/Bubblecup, Pinecest (always) (Will update for shifts in hyperfixations) BSky (not super active) - https://bsky.app/profile/twinsfall.bsky.social JUST A REMINDER: This is a sideblog, so I can't follow back, sorry

[mittensmorgul]

Imagine you really, really hate murder mystery novels.

(this is difficult for me to imagine personally… but for the sake of a metaphor, let’s go with the concept. I’d prefer to use a category of fiction I actually enjoy for this particular point)

But for the sake of this argument, imagine you believe they’re terrible, to the point you think they shouldn’t even be allowed to exist. They’re bad all around, no redeeming value, not even for the sake of intellectual curiosity or pure entertainment. You think murder is just SO BAD in real life, that nobody ANYWHERE, EVER, should be allowed to engage with fictional depictions of this crime.

I don’t think you’re likely to find a ton of murder mystery authors who receive accusations that the only reason they enjoy writing murder mystery novels is because they’re ACTUALLY murderers in real life. Or because they are “glorifying” murder or have some agenda to promote murder or in any way make it appear “morally acceptable” in the eyes of the general public. But just imagine someone SO ANGRY that these terrible, morally bankrupt books (in their eyes) are allowed to exist, allowed to be sold in bookstores or freely available in libraries, or even *gasp* adapted into films or television programs or other media, that they chose to go on a moral crusade against anyone who dared to write such moral (YET ENTIRELY FICTIONAL) atrocities.

In your goal to stamp out this moral outrage, you send these authors (real actual human beings!) death threats and other vile garbage. YOU HAVE NOW CROSSED THE LINE FROM FICTION INTO REALITY.

Sending real human beings direct threats of violence is NOT protected speech. It’s not “fiction.” And nobody consented to actually read that garbage.

The thing is, if you don’t like murder mysteries (because we’re continuing with this metaphor), when you walk into a library or bookstore you can easily avoid having to engage with that section. It’s clearly marked and labeled for your convenience, just like every other section is so that you can easily find what you DO want to read.

Nobody, and I do mean NOBODY, has to justify their reasons for enjoying murder mysteries to you. It’s literally none of your goddamn business. You hate those sorts of books? Fine! Someone else enjoys them? FINE! Their interests in the FICTION they consume do not dictate who they are as human beings, and how they relate and interact with the REAL WORLD. With OTHER LIVING PEOPLE.

People who enjoy consuming fictional things you hate do not deserve your condemnation and do not deserve your abuse. If you attack real living people over what fiction they choose to read or write, then YOU are officially an abuser.

Not in a fictional way.

If someone casually browsing in the romance department nearby hears you loudly complaining that these people who “glorify” murder in their books should be killed, or beaten, or banned, and steps in to suggest that would be morally unacceptable to harm real, living people over the contents of the fictional stories they create or read, and then you turn around and stalk that innocent person who has never read or written a murder mystery novel in their entire lives, and has no interest in doing so even, for the imaginary “crime” of defending free speech that you happen to find distasteful or offensive, then YOU have become an abuser. You have become (to another real, living human being) the embodiment of the thing you profess to hate.

At that point, you can no longer claim the moral high ground here. You could’ve just as easily walked past the murder mystery shelves. You could’ve carried on your entire life engaging with the types of stories that bring you happiness, but instead spend all your free time obsessing over the things you hate instead. I can only assume attempting to make people who are busy creating and consuming the content they enjoy most feel as miserable and hate-filled as you do.

Joke’s on you fools who think that way. It’s just fucking sad, is what it is. Pitiable. Honestly.

I cannot imagine going through life with that much hate and vitriol driving my every waking thought. Turn off the fox news already. Please engage with reality as it actually exists, because nobody gives a shit about your moral fucking outrage over fiction. Please read an actual book about cognitive dissonance, because the complete lack of understanding of your own actions is jarring, and yes, pitiable.

Yes, this has been about purity culture wankers. 

[willgrahamscock]

reading problematic fanfiction but shaking my head so random tumblr user who thinks thought crimes are real knows I don't condone it in real life

[willgrahamscock]

ignore my boaner 👍

[willgrahamscock]

fictional characters can't consent because they aren't real.. but YOU can consent to reading heavy themes, and you can withdraw consent by clicking the back button and stopping any time, it is your choice to read stories that include or exclude consent 👍

[willgrahamscock]

I love when puritans are so far up their ass they circle back to being more perverted than the original concept

[willgrahamscock]

Thought crimes of course aren’t real but uh. We know those aren’t just thoughts anymore once you’ve posted them publicly, yeah?

Then they’re just crimes.

sure, fictional crimes since nothing happened and no one was hurt. should we put the fictional handcuffs on? "sorry, you wrote about murder which is illegal, go spend 20 years in mind jail"

[lustcannibalism]

y'all make so much more fuss about shit in fanfiction than crimes in real life

[biglawbear]

Agatha Christie is serving 100,000 consecutive life sentences for all the murders

[evilwriter37]

Writing fiction (at least where I live) is not a fucking crime. The idea that it should be a crime is purely fascist. Trying to control fiction and censorship is making thoughtcrime a real thing. Y’all are fascist and need to get a fucking grip.

Also, can’t wait to serve my 1,300+ years with Agatha Christie.

[jayalaw]

China is doing this so, yeah. Don’t. Just don’t go down that path of thought crime

[proselfship-culture-is]

Proselfship culture is the distrust of the words "basic dni"

-🍨🐏 anon

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[proship-shuujuu]

"you're a proshitter-" incorrect☝️i have gastrointestinal issues.

[twinsfall]

proship/profic: “don’t yuck my yum”

antis: “how dare you yum my yuck”

[tongue-tearer]

its so annoying when people make their dni's so fucking mysterious

like what does "weirdos dni" and "creeps dni" even mean?? everyone has a different idea of what a weirdo or a creep would be and its pretty opinion based too.

like would i as a darkshipper count as a weirdo to that person? or are they talking about real life predators and creeps??

just be more specific bro...

[milotheweirdo1]

REAL- Like.. bro, i'm autistic i can barely tell what's weird irl how the flipity fuck do you think i'm gonna know what's weird online where there's zero body language to read? (・ω・、)

[twinsfall]

I’ve had religious ppl try to convert me in my inbox, to me that’s creepy and weird, so they’d fall under my “creeps and weirdos” list

[smokesterblog-deactivated202401]

[robot-voice]

a heads up to new users: the VERY FIRST THING you should do before you start reblogging is choose a profile pic. it doesn’t need to be fancy, you don’t need to make a picrew, it can be a stock photo of cabbage for all anyone cares, it just has to be something or else everyone’s gonna assume you’re a bot and block you

[sugarloom]

How it feels being proship while antis argue over whether or not shipping found family with each other is problematic:

[pumpkibaby]

daily reminder that:

𖹭 you are not evil for being a proshipper

𖹭 you do not deserve harm for being a proshipper

𖹭 your thoughts are not your actions

𖹭 you did not "enjoy" your traumas because you are a proshipper

𖹭 what you enjoy in fiction does not dictate what you enjoy in reality

𖹭 you do not have to change your content because others do not like it

𖹭 you are not evil for being a proshipper

𖹭 you are not evil for being a proshipper

[wolveria]

“Why is all the best art from this ship artist?”

Because they’re creating what they love.

“Why is all the best art created by this porn artist?”

Because they don’t apologize or censor themselves.

“Why is all the best art created by this artist who likes dark content?”

Because they aren’t tying their hands behind their back. If you worry about morality and “taste” in art, you’ll only make what’s acceptable, rather than what’s interesting.

[writingdose]

insane to me how, to some people, this is not a common sense

[toushos]

[unspeakablearchives]

where does CSAM or revenge porn fit in with anti-censorship?

/gen

Freedom of Expression does NOT cover things that cause tangible harm to specific people.

Think of it this way:

Everyone has innate human rights. Freedom of Expression is one of them, but it is not the only one. People also have rights to bodily autonomy, privacy, dignity, safety, and to not be sexually exploited.

Child Sexual Abuse Material ("CSAM" - this is now the preferred term for "child pornography") may technically be a form of "expression" in the most literal sense - but it is a form that is the documented product of the sexual abuse of a real child, and its circulation continues that abuse.

Likewise, Non-Consensual Intimate Imagery ("NCII" - this is now the preferred term for "revenge porn") is the non-consensual distribution of intimate material in a way that directly violates a specific person’s privacy, dignity, and safety.

So I really don't think this is a case of making some prudish exception to anti-censorship principles. It's a case of recognizing that one person’s claimed "expression" cannot include the right to violate another person’s human rights.

And, as a side note, that is also why FICTIONAL depictions of abuse, or even ugly works that seem to romanticize or encourage abuse, fall into a very different category.

Those works may be highly disturbing, exploitative, disgusting, or morally rotten, but they are NOT actually abusing a specific real person in the way CSAM and NCII are - the harm there is direct, concrete, and inseparable from the material itself.

With fiction, the argument is usually vague and indirect: some third party might consume it, be influenced by it, and then do something harmful later. That kind of causal chain is speculative, hard to prove, based on the actions of another person with their own free will, and potentially limitless once you start to expand on it. If you make that the standard for censorship, then practically any book, film, fantasy, or artwork could potentially end up suppressed on the theory that it might negatively affect someone somewhere.

Freedom of expression does protect idiotic ideas, disgusting art, fantasies, and highly offensive speech. But it does not include a right to sexually exploit, expose, or abuse a real person and then call the evidence "speech."

[unspeakablearchives]

Great question.

In the case of CSAM and NNIA, they are not merely "dangerous ideas" or "bad influences." In those cases the media itself is a violation of victim because the abuse or exposure of a specific real person is built into the material.

By comparison, a grooming guide, a dogfighting manual, or a Nazi tract is vile, but the harm there depends on a third party later choosing to act on it. That causal chain may be real (in some cases), but it is indirect, contingent, and impossible to police without giving the state sweeping power to punish ideas, arguments, fantasies, and texts for what someone else might someday do with them.

We all ultimately are individuals that have control over our own actions. And I can assume that if you were to read those works you mentioned, you would not become a Nazi child-grooming dogfighter. I mean fuck, I would hope not.

I also think that there are very legitimate, good reasons for someone to seek out and read such material - for instance: researchers, writers, advocacy groups, and just normal people who want to be able to push back against these beliefs. It is really hard to combat bad ideologies and practices if you know nothing about them, cannot cite their own words, and cannot educate others about them.

[syrenki]

i have a bunch of disgusting ideas if anyone's interested

[hotlineremedios]

How do you spell S-I-B-L-I-N-G-S

(this pic has composition reference!)