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Thank you for the thoughtful response! And yeah, you're right once again. I would prioritize literally anyone else before someone from the western cultural zeitgeist.
It's kind of the same way I feel when the American right uses child marriage or women's rights as an excuse to be racist. Because the atrocities and human rights abuses being committed absolutely need to stop, but those people don't care about those women and children, they care about having an excuse to hate those who aren't white.
glad we found understanding <3
Hi. I read your write up about religion and queerness, and I found it quite thought provoking, however, one statement you made ignores a whole subset of people.
'won't hear islamic criticism from non ex muslims at all, because you expect us to dismantle "our inner muslims" in ways you aren't ready to dismantle imperialism and racism in you.'
You assume, or rather imply that everyone with criticism of Islam is a racist imperialist. On the contrary, some of us critique Islam BECAUSE we are victims of racism and imperialism. People where I'm from were colonised twice, first by violent Arab expansionism and Jihads, and then by the British.
My country is almost 50/50 between Christianity and Islam, and a decent portion of it operates Sharia law. As a 'culturally Christian' person raised in the majorly Islamic north, it was hellish. I was lucky enough to be in a safe area, most were not. Non Muslims in the region were and still are lynched for being infidels and forced to follow Sharia. Countless people have been stoned, burned, or otherwise killed just for the accusation of them blaspheming the prophet, regardless of whether or not it was true. The rampant terrorism within the country mainly targets non-believers to kill, harass, or forcibly convert them (including by corrective rape). In every Muslim majority region of my country, this is the reality.
On the topic of racism, some of the worst anti-Blackness and racist harassment I've experienced has been from Muslim Arabs. Like all Abrahamic religions, racist faithfuls love to go on long tangents about how we're cursed by God. When a black person brings up the centuries of persecution from Arabs, or the modern day funding of human rights violations from the oil states; there is always an Arab Muslim rushing to tell us why we deserve it because we're backwards barbaric infidels who worship trees and are the descendants of a cursed man.
Of course this isn't all Arabs, nor is it all Muslims and ex Muslims.
But my people were not originally Muslims, nor were they originally Christians. Both were used against us as tools of colonisation. I don't have a problem with Arabs, but I have a severe problem with the historical and current bigotry many of them have shown towards Africans.
I don't expect anyone to dismantle their inner Muslim because I consider that type of thinking to be fundamentally flawed.
However, I also don't see why I should have to dismantle the imperialism and racism within me (when my people are the victims of said imperialism and racism from all sides) just to be allowed to critique the religion and culture that was used to exploit my people for centuries.
This is not to detract from what you said, because I agree with it completely. Nor is it to antagonise you. Just wanted to provide another perspective to all you've said.
Sorry for the long write up.
hey so i am not arab btw for further clarity i get what you mean and honestly while i try to give nuance the world i am in will not allow me give enough nuance to not get attacked from every side ever. (not to say you do, it's just the treatment i've been already getting) my people were tengrist before they were muslim, and it's a whole lot of discuss from many sides of it, since it's not gone from our culture at all. i am also very much on the ex muslim territory.
the thing about it is how your pain is justified and valid, the other thing is how it will be used by first world to destroy you AND the muslims you live around, but you'll likely suffer first. i say this not so much from muslim raised perspective, but from central asian perspective. russians can be racist, they often are, but in front of the first world i will defend their asses because i know they don't actually care about my central asian pain, they just see it as a tool to kill us both.
the thing is it can and probably will be used against you too. i of course also hear west asian christian perspectives, anon i assure you i will hear out an armenian and an assyrian, you're in my priority far more than a blonde alex from michigan, i hope i make it clear
“Threatening me on my birthday when I’ve explicitly said I would not spend my birthday dealing with you and would talk with you later in the week, after I’ve tolerated you threatening to HAL me again using your platform repeatedly” is a wild way to try and show me that you can exist healthily in a community.
Literally all I fucking wanted was to not leave behind another disabled Black trans woman even if she was fucking her shit up by her own actions and instead I get to deal with this “abuse 102” fuckin shit and her dragging others into it. Someone not directly tied into and harmed all this shit can help you, I’m done. I understand you experienced a mental break and are desperately trying to reclaim a modicum of power and control that you never had over me, but fuck off with this shit.
Leave me alone and this is the end of it. If you do, nothing else you’ve said or done comes out. If you can’t take an L and decide to make it my problem further because you have no restraint, then I guess we’ll play that game and you’ll be forced to take an L because you only have the same old shit about me whereas I got pipin hot never before seen shit about you. Regardless, I will not be responding to you privately again unless someone else vouches they helped you recover.
hey start talking about usa the way the talk about russia / china / any other country they antagonize. fun conclusions to be made
is it too must of honesty to say i would prioritize hearing from third worlders than first worlders. like maybe don't make my post about the us when it's hard to make it about the us
sorry, but you were socialized christian. I just can't trust you in a trans space
they literally taught you that trans people were subhuman and that you were better than them. I don't know if you can be trusted around other trans people
they scapegoated and abused you for showing signs of transness? uh... no? christianity is the most privileged religion there is. stop whining
i opened asks don't make me regret after an hour
age regressing back to when i was 13 because it was the last time i felt anything good below sufrace level
being dehumanized your whole life to an extent calling yourself "humangirl" feels otherkin
i grew up around muslims, i am also trans and leftist.
people in every queer and trans community i go to set an expectation: i should ofrever abandon my muslim past, i should explicitly stop associating yourself with it whatsoever, you either get to be queer or you either get to be raised-muslim.
in reality, there's no such expectation for christianity, and none of them are ready to dismantle their "inner christian" in their heads as much as they expect be to dismantle my "inner muslim"
none fo them get to admit how most first world countries are culturally christian, because christianity is "default" to them, as well as first world, as well as white.
me having a complicated relationship with islam doesn't mean i absolutely despise every piece of it. it means i distanced myself from ummah, but won't hear islamic criticism from non ex muslims at all, because you expect us to dismantle "our inner muslims" in ways you aren't ready to dismantle imperialism and racism in you.
your expectation is us "acting white", you don't want us unless we're that, which means you don't want us at all.
a lot of people claiming to want to uplift brown queer voices and such don't procced to do anything meaningful for them, or for brown people at all. it's just virtue signaling, homonationalism. you'd only care of brown people being queer, and you want the "brown" part of it gone as much as possible.
a lot of people say they want the leftist agenda to stop being us centric and imperialist, but then it's just pretending to care about it. you already made is so little and unhearable you'd have to get out of your way to seek for us speaking. then you'd not seek or if you find us, you will just pass by. hoping someone else would amplify the voice you took from us? and that someone else would hope for that too, so what?
you want us only when we agree with everything usa says about us, you want us until our lives don't put you into too much discomfort. when they put you into too much discomfort, you don't ask why, you'll restore the comfort by banishing us again. your tolerability of us is so intricately conditional, to meet those a third worlder has to build themselves into a first worlder mindset. this is your (inter)nationalism hey.
anyway, islamophobia hurt me more than islam did. now what
just so you know a tumblr user with "ubermensch" in their username what rants about "religious people not being human" on their blog replies saying i'm propagating nationalism with stating how all the hate (as in: ideological excuse to carpet bomb brown people) and "not doing anything good for them" like have it occured to you i am from, you know, a muslim majority country, maybe, just maybe, just an ounce of thought that that racialized girl might be NOT lying about it, maybe, maybe, or maybe you are what my grand grandpa used to shoot. a nazi.
now ask youself HOW COME racialized and third worlders are so invisible over here :^)
i don't wanna make it about a nazi roll call rally under my post
hey you who reposted it with your personal feelings and stories, you, the one who grew up muslim, in a muslim family. you, who grew you jewish, you who grew you crhistian in latam, who grew up hindu or any other confessional territorial group treated like dirt because you just feel that it's not actually about religion.
i saw your repost and your tags saying you relate, and it makes my heart sting as much as yours.
you who quit the religion and still can't stop catching rocks, because it has never been really about religion, i'm here and i'm here for YOU
you who have it complex in your head, way more complex that people expect it to be, i wanna hug you
i see what you all share, and please please please talk, don't shut up, because i won't either. you speaking to me and replying with understanding and relating is something dear to me, something worth not just quitting thinking it's useless to explain anything to the first world. i will overexplain so you can stand firmer and talk too, until you get the community and the sense of belonging you deserve.
i'm so thankful you reply to me and share it 💖
another day in finestan
(flirting) what's your ru
i flirt and ask your ru, you don't know what it is. i am crushed. i pack it up and leave with tears.
(flirting) what's your ru
i grew up around muslims, i am also trans and leftist.
people in every queer and trans community i go to set an expectation: i should ofrever abandon my muslim past, i should explicitly stop associating yourself with it whatsoever, you either get to be queer or you either get to be raised-muslim.
in reality, there's no such expectation for christianity, and none of them are ready to dismantle their "inner christian" in their heads as much as they expect be to dismantle my "inner muslim"
none fo them get to admit how most first world countries are culturally christian, because christianity is "default" to them, as well as first world, as well as white.
me having a complicated relationship with islam doesn't mean i absolutely despise every piece of it. it means i distanced myself from ummah, but won't hear islamic criticism from non ex muslims at all, because you expect us to dismantle "our inner muslims" in ways you aren't ready to dismantle imperialism and racism in you.
your expectation is us "acting white", you don't want us unless we're that, which means you don't want us at all.
a lot of people claiming to want to uplift brown queer voices and such don't procced to do anything meaningful for them, or for brown people at all. it's just virtue signaling, homonationalism. you'd only care of brown people being queer, and you want the "brown" part of it gone as much as possible.
a lot of people say they want the leftist agenda to stop being us centric and imperialist, but then it's just pretending to care about it. you already made is so little and unhearable you'd have to get out of your way to seek for us speaking. then you'd not seek or if you find us, you will just pass by. hoping someone else would amplify the voice you took from us? and that someone else would hope for that too, so what?
you want us only when we agree with everything usa says about us, you want us until our lives don't put you into too much discomfort. when they put you into too much discomfort, you don't ask why, you'll restore the comfort by banishing us again. your tolerability of us is so intricately conditional, to meet those a third worlder has to build themselves into a first worlder mindset. this is your (inter)nationalism hey.
anyway, islamophobia hurt me more than islam did. now what
just so you know a tumblr user with "ubermensch" in their username what rants about "religious people not being human" on their blog replies saying i'm propagating nationalism with stating how all the hate (as in: ideological excuse to carpet bomb brown people) and "not doing anything good for them" like have it occured to you i am from, you know, a muslim majority country, maybe, just maybe, just an ounce of thought that that racialized girl might be NOT lying about it, maybe, maybe, or maybe you are what my grand grandpa used to shoot. a nazi.
now ask youself HOW COME racialized and third worlders are so invisible over here :^)
i grew up around muslims, i am also trans and leftist.
people in every queer and trans community i go to set an expectation: i should ofrever abandon my muslim past, i should explicitly stop associating yourself with it whatsoever, you either get to be queer or you either get to be raised-muslim.
in reality, there's no such expectation for christianity, and none of them are ready to dismantle their "inner christian" in their heads as much as they expect be to dismantle my "inner muslim"
none fo them get to admit how most first world countries are culturally christian, because christianity is "default" to them, as well as first world, as well as white.
me having a complicated relationship with islam doesn't mean i absolutely despise every piece of it. it means i distanced myself from ummah, but won't hear islamic criticism from non ex muslims at all, because you expect us to dismantle "our inner muslims" in ways you aren't ready to dismantle imperialism and racism in you.
your expectation is us "acting white", you don't want us unless we're that, which means you don't want us at all.
a lot of people claiming to want to uplift brown queer voices and such don't procced to do anything meaningful for them, or for brown people at all. it's just virtue signaling, homonationalism. you'd only care of brown people being queer, and you want the "brown" part of it gone as much as possible.
a lot of people say they want the leftist agenda to stop being us centric and imperialist, but then it's just pretending to care about it. you already made is so little and unhearable you'd have to get out of your way to seek for us speaking. then you'd not seek or if you find us, you will just pass by. hoping someone else would amplify the voice you took from us? and that someone else would hope for that too, so what?
you want us only when we agree with everything usa says about us, you want us until our lives don't put you into too much discomfort. when they put you into too much discomfort, you don't ask why, you'll restore the comfort by banishing us again. your tolerability of us is so intricately conditional, to meet those a third worlder has to build themselves into a first worlder mindset. this is your (inter)nationalism hey.
anyway, islamophobia hurt me more than islam did. now what
just so you know a tumblr user with "ubermensch" in their username what rants about "religious people not being human" on their blog replies saying i'm propagating nationalism with stating how all the hate (as in: ideological excuse to carpet bomb brown people) and "not doing anything good for them" like have it occured to you i am from, you know, a muslim majority country, maybe, just maybe, just an ounce of thought that that racialized girl might be NOT lying about it, maybe, maybe, or maybe you are what my grand grandpa used to shoot. a nazi.
now ask youself HOW COME racialized and third worlders are so invisible over here :^)
i'm glad everyone's finally decided to have always been against leaving disabled trans women to die. hey, can people do me a big favour? related?
this website has left my disabled trans sister to die a few times now. she used to be a regular heavy user of it before it repeatedly did to her what it does to trans women.
aside from me she has essentially zero social contact with the outside world so and the two of us are trying to build a decent nest egg so that over the course of the rest of this year or so i (and I have a lot going on in my own right!) can start moving towards vocational training to take care of us instead of ebegging on here
our social support system is each other and then tumblr, which i hope we can all understand is a dangerous situation for especially her to be in. she has been repeatedly homeless for her whole life and her pinned post is a medical fundraiser she gave up on. the severe isolation has been very difficult on her mind and body
please throw as much money at her as possible