I'm only now starting to grapple with the idea that asking a 10 year old to dictate their own life and "educate themselves"...is insane...and impossible
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I'm only now starting to grapple with the idea that asking a 10 year old to dictate their own life and "educate themselves"...is insane...and impossible
it was so hard (and still is) to see all my homeschooled or waldorf friends being taught so many skills and encouraged to develop whatever crafts interest them. I was always given as little control as possible, never taught anything, and treated by my father like I was incapable of completing any manual task (let alone on my own). all of my friends learned how to do handwork, how to use power tools, how to work with animals, how to make things! all I learned how to do was appeal to adults in hopes of getting out of my house-prison.
the thing is is that you'll be like. 11 years old and someone will tell you that you have to shave your legs. either it will be your mum or a friend or a mean girl in the p.e. changing rooms telling you how gross it is that you have hair on your legs. so then you ask your mum about it and she says yep you have to take this razor blade and drag it across your skin under running water and just hope you don't cut yourself too badly and you have to do this every single week and maybe more frequently than that and you have to do that for fucking ever. the rest of your fucking life. because the hair that grows naturally on your legs is gross and ugly and people will laugh and boys won't like you! of course boys have hair on THEIR legs. but that's normal and even attractive and it's just not the same for you. and a few years later they'll say well you obviously should also be shaving your armpits. and then it's your arms and then it's that you have to wax your upper lip and pluck your eyebrows and ewww why do you have hair on your fingers and your toes.. you need to shave that too. and then suddenly you need to buy spray that will make invisible hairs on your face visible so that you can shave that too! and it's expensive and time consuming and difficult and it HURTS but they just say beauty is pain babe! and you're not allowed to say that maybe if beauty is pain then you don't actually want to be beautiful
I know I'll never graduate middle school, or high school. I know I'll cry every time I see sunset hit the bleachers in the field just right.
seeing these unschooling parents act like they're intellectually superior and holier than thou for unschooling while i know what type of psychological saw trap of a ruined life they're setting their kids up to have makes me so homicidal
People seriously underestimate the long term effects of constant loneliness
"why are you so weird?" Idk, maybe because being completely isolated while growing up has destroyed my brain and now I'm nothing more than a human-mimicking creature that bases all of my actions on what I think is normal human behavior rather than just doing things naturally
unschooled to submissive pipeline. just tell me what to do!
unschooling parents: unschooling is the best way to raise and teach your kids, no brainwashing and they’ll teach themselves until they’re farther than their peers could ever be!
every unschooled kid i’ve ever met: there’s no hope for me and i’m going to kill myself everyday is a repeating time loop of dread i can’t escape i feel like an alien and can’t connect with people my age
unschooling is a very good option for parents who’ve always wanted a child with stunted development, compulsive skin picking, cognitive impairments from isolation, paranoia, and treatment resistant personality disorders
i was never taught math properly (unschooled) so i must admit my default reading of pemdas really is "please excuse my dark ambient swag"
unschooling is such a bizarre phenomena to me because it is the montessori education model but managed by a class of people who are encouraged to treat their children as an extension of their own selves. nuclear family psychodrama traumamaxxing. when public school teachers are evil, it's in a very particular cold, cynical, mass-manufactured way. people who talk about negative unschooling experiences alway come across to me like "I feel like my mom gave birth to me only to absorb me back into her ego. in her eyes I was this uniquely prodigious and gifted entity because I came from her- because I was her; but also that I was an incurious, uneducated failure because I was me, a vulnerable child who needed guidance and support. the 'me' that was nourished during my adolescence was my mother as I compromised with and comforted her, coming to understand the trials of her upbringing through her subjugation of myself. I felt myself slowly outgrow the box within her ego she had stored me in. A child must leave their nest one day, but for my mother, it would have been like her mother abandoning her a second time. when i was able to rejoin society, I got on all fours like the unperson I had always been and ran and ran and ran and ran". and a person with public school trauma will be like "I relate to this but I didn't get on all fours at the end".
"unschooling" is just code for "i don't actually want to be a parent so i have adopted a socially acceptable form of child neglect that i can engage in so i can look like i give a shit while i really only care about my own interests. fuck them kids". hope this helps. anyway, ban unschooling and homeschooling
I've watched a few videos on the subject of "unschooling" recently and it feels like the sort of thing that, in theory, could work for some kids but only if the parents are willing and able to put in a lot of time, effort, and probably money.
The basic idea is that the kids don't go to school and they don't have any structured homeschooling. They learn from experiences and based on what they want to learn.
And I guess parents might be able to make this work if they provide a load of encouragement, guidance, and opportunities.
So if you want a really young kid to learn to read, you could give encouragement by showing that reading is an enjoyable and useful thing to know how to do. You could read a book to the kid every bedtime and spend time sitting and reading for pleasure so show that this is a normal part of life. You could do making together and read the recipe from the recipe book to show that reading gives you useful information. When out and about, you could point to street signs and things to demonstrate that signs tell you things you need to know. If the kid is constantly surrounded by this, they will pick up on the fact that learning to read is important and good.
But the parents should also give guidance. Maybe you don't want to sit your kid down and give them actual lessons, but are you giving them any hints on how reading works at all? When you point to the signs, you could spell them out. "We can't go through that door. Do you see that sign? It says N-O nuh-oh no, E-N-T-R-Y, eh-nuh-tuh-ruh-ee entry. No entry. That sign says we can't go in there and if we do we'll get in trouble." Not a formal lesson, but a quick demonstration of how letters relate to sounds. Do that a couple of times a day and the kid will probably pick up on the way the letters should sound and can be encouraged to try it out for themselves with words that they see often.
Then give them lots of opportunities to see how written words relate to sounds. This could be Disney sing-along videos with the words highlighted on the screen as they're sung, books with repeated patterns of letters to make rhymes that the parents can read with them, phonics educational games, etc.
If the parents were willing to do stuff like that, I could see how an "unschooled" kid could learn to read without having formal lessons, but it's clear that a lot of the parents involved aren't, so instead you see posts on unschooling forums where a parent is asking for guidance because their ten year old hasn't spontaneously taught themselves to read.
And with older kids, I can imagine them learning if the parents encourage them to ask questions and then make a point of helping them find the answer. Like if a kid asks why the sky is blue, answer with "let's find out," and guide the kid to reliable educational websites to look it up and find out about light refraction and the atmosphere and maybe find the answer to that question could lead to talking about the shape of the Earth and the other planets in the solar system, or to talking about how light refraction is also responsible for rainbows. "You wanted to find out about one thing and you've found out about two! Isn't learning exciting?"
And again, the parents should encourage asking questions about the world and finding out about things, and demonstrate the eagerness to learn and try out new things. Make looking for information part of the normal daily routine. "I'm going to learn about weaving today because I want to know how cloth gets made. What do you want to learn about today?"
And give them science kits and educational toys and kid-friendly books that introduce various subjects and take them to museums. Take them to workshops and activities for different skills and let them try things out, and then follow up those activities with finding out more information to read up on it. Watch documentaries with them as a family activity. Play games that involve counting and adding up numbers (counting and basic sums would need to be given the same sort of effort and encouragement as reading when they're little).
With a massive amount of thought and effort on the part of the parents, I can see how unschooling might be made to mostly work. I still think the kids in question would likely have massive gaps in their learning, and they would definitely not have the same opportunities to socialise and learn how to interact with other kids their own age, so I think in general it's a bad idea, but there would be ways to make it less bad.
But there are definitely families that aren't doing anything even close to this, and so they go online and worry about the fact that their kids are spending ten hours a day playing Minecraft and don't seem to be interested in teaching themselves stuff.
Could unschooling be made to work? Probably but it would be extremely difficult and time-consuming.
Is it currently working for a lot of the kids going through it? Absolutely not, and this is, in my opinion, a form of neglect and child abuse that should not be allowed. The poor kids who are being left to their own devices in the theory that they will intuitively learn everything they need to learn are being done a massive disservice by their parents.
being unschooled is just "hi my child. I think it'd be best if you raise yourself from now on. oh? are you struggling to raise yourself? well maybe you should try being more self directed. I will not give you any hints as to what could be missing in your life. happy tenth birthday. :)"
being unschooled is so weird cause mootie just dmed me liken”hey. Sorry I’m in SCHOOL cause SCHOOL is a THING that I DO” and I’m like…so your just…not available every hour of the day…ummmmmmmm?
"Actually if you think about it, isn't it kinda sexist to expect me to be responsible for my children and run a business? Maybe you should think about why you expect me to actually teach the kids i decided to pull out of school for no reason. See? It's because you're being sexist.... No don't worry about the fact that you do more childcare and house work than your father does. That's normal. You're the only one with internal biases. We don't have any. It's normal that we're expecting you to indefinitely keep your life on hold until we decide to actually act like parents."
Just learnt what 'unschooling' is. Did not know we were out here inventing new forms of child abuse.