🔗 The Epic Codependency of Sam and Dean Winchester
🔗 No Sam = No Supernatural
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🔗 The Epic Codependency of Sam and Dean Winchester
🔗 No Sam = No Supernatural
Sam Winchester canonically being a theatre kid means so much to me
I decided to read some of the comments on the Destiel YouTube video and they were enlightening. The best one to me was the person defending the ship because ‘the writers said they made it canon’ and then admitting only 3 writers said they believed Destiel was a canon ship.
So let’s break that down a bit more.
There were 53 writers over the course of Supernatural. 3 writers accounts for just 5.6% of all the writers in the show who allegedly wrote Destiel as canon.
The three writers I believe wrote the following number of episodes (plus percentages):
65 = 19.8%
14 = 4.2%
2 = 0.6%
Total 81 = 24.7%
This means that 75.3% of episodes were written by writers who didn’t have a Destiel agenda and who haven’t confirmed that they were deliberately leaning into the ship for the fans.
Effectively you want me to believe people who had less then half writing credits on the show combined over the creator; and an actor who appeared in 100% of the episodes?
That’s absolutely not going to happen and proves how stupid hellers are when they use the ‘writers created it’ argument.
Time to face reality. They took advantage of you and have made you all look foolish.
Edit - I think it should also be mentioned that the two people who leave heavily into the ship to pander to Hellers (Misha Collins and Robert Behrens) have both had limited work since the end of Supernatural.
Seems going behind your employers back and slagging them off and fighting with fans does really limit your ability to pick up future work. Shocker.
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This reminds me of TW, where Jensen thought that dean should move on from being sam's brother. I mean he didn't said that, but he did try to separate the two, just for the show to get cancelled. Jensen, like his fans tried but look what happened. It ended with dean doing what he has been doing forever. Protecting sam. Jensen was forced to name him. He was slapped with the fact that people watched for him and Jared, not just him. He ain't the only king out here.
These people has such a hard time accepting the fact that Jared exist and is equally important. There would be no spn without Jared, as there will be no spn without Jensen. Jared stans don't have that issue or delusion. They know its sam&dean's story. Dean stans are so high up in their ego that they think their delusion of "its dean's story" is the reality. And keep crying and coping and are top ashamed to accept that shit so they project it to sam stans, who are chill about it. Jared and sam stans has no problem sharing the attention and the position with Jensen, but jensen and his stans and their entitlement is just so off putting.
He definitely wanted his own show with just Dean and wanted more for just his character without Sam. He misjudged how much fans cared about the brother bond and how people were ultimately interested in Dean because of Sam. They didn’t care about this random useless mission he made for this show. It was obvious it only existed to give Dean a spotlight for his own show and they couldn’t even come up with anything that made sense for him. They had to cave and name Sam eventually because it didn’t work for the character. The Sam erasure wasn’t making sense. Ego ruined this project. It’s why it never had a chance in hell.
I see so many Dean stans talk as though Sam is not a character in this show. As though his story doesn’t matter in any capacity. The show does revolve around Sam’s character a lot more than they think. It’s why the finale ended with him. They refuse to accept things are about Sam sometimes. That he is driving the story and that Dean is reacting to that. It’s not the Dean show.
https://www.tumblr.com/walkergirlsposts/818701735273070592/the-shows-over-were-coping-fine?source=share
This just shows that dean stans knows, dean's whole identity is nothing but sam. They knows, dean was, is and will be living and dying for sam. He will keep choosing him again and again and he will always keep him in top. Sam is the reason for his existence. All while vice versa may not be true. Sam, for most part, is equally obsessed. He will die and kill for dean. He will cross moral boundaries, but when it comes to living without dean, though painfully, he is capable of living.
So it isn't us sam stans who is scared, its these dean stans who knows dean is a dependent character. His existence has a condition and that is sam is required. Why do they think dean didn't have a long term relationship. Because dean cames as a package deal. He can't keep his lovers at the top. Sam doesn't have that problem. He can love dean as obsessively but can still create a life outside.
So if dean ditches sam, as sam has asked him multiple times, most we will get is him finding a woman and settling down, enjoying his new family. Meeting dean occasionally. He will be happy. But if sam ditches dean, dean would turn into a pyscho who uses mental and physical controlling tactics to make sam stay. So dean stans are not the winners they think they are.
Dean's mental health improving won't make him want sam any less. May be he won't commit instant suicide or make demon deals, but he would still love his brother. He would still prefer him. He has said that he didn't need his dad to tell him that, dean always knew he had to care. Sadly no amount of therapy would make dean love cas romantically or even 1 percent of love to cas. But ofcourse its sam stans who are coping, and making imaginary tweets hoping dean leaves sam 6 years after show ended with them being together for eternity.
Oh, Dean stans know, alright. I wonder what it must feel like losing so hard. I mean, here they are talking as if the show is still on, as if there's something he needs to "free" himself from?? They'll never get that he doesn't want to be free from Sam. He's obsessed with him, he's his world. He had plenty of opportunities to ditch him throughout the show and the fact that they he always chose him? That should tell them something.
Sam stans are the happiest stans in the fandom for good reason. They got what they wanted from the show. Sam is the one with the hero journey, he is the object of Dean’s core, and the finale ends with his story coming full circle. Dean stans and hellers are bitter idiots that don’t have anything they want. Neither of these groups got what they wanted. Destiel is a joke that only lives in their head. Dean lived his whole life centered around Sam. Sam stans had the best experience watching the show. Their only gripes are with obnoxious haters on the internet and their bad taste in ships.
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Dean's psychology is so interesting. He wants sam in his life, dependent on him. He needs sam to need him, but he also believes sam doesn't need him. He knows that sam is capable of living a life away from dean. He also feels inferior and feels like sam is more successful. So he feels scared that sam wouldn't love him and leave him alone and live his life.
Dean also feels inferior to sam. I am not saying he is but he feels like that. He feels that sam is more capable and more intelligent. A bright star, that given chance will shine but he wants that star for himself. He is scared that he is not enough so he can't reach to that star's level, he will pluck it out and keep it to himself. It doesn't help that john literally gave sam to him and asked him to take care of him. So he feels like he has right over sam. He sees sam less as a separate human, more as a belonging. He does feel happy when he succeed, he does feel happy when sam does something good. Anybody praising sam feels like they are praising him. He made it possible. He made sam. But the minute he feels like sam is crossing the line and he will get away, he will start controlling sam. He is allowed relationship but that relationship shouldn't hinder their relationship. He is allowed to fight but he isn't allowed if the danger is so much, that he can get hurt. He is allowed to chose things that will keep him in dean's radar. He is allowed to outgrow but he isn't allowed to outgrow the circle dean's has drawn. As soon as that happens, dean starts behaving less as brother and more as a prisoner. It feels like sam is the prize that dean wants at the end of the day. See i saved the whole world and sam is owed to me as a prize. Eee i am so sorry for the rant but its so tasty when i try to feel that bond. Codependent and all entangled. Thats why i love spn.
And anyone who doesn't see how that's the point of the show? This unhealthy, toxic codependency between the brothers, really shouldn't be watching it. You have no rights to bitch when you see Dean taking care of Sam and not wanting to free and heal himself from something even he doesn't want.
I’ve just seen the Sonny episode and yet again it shows that Dean will always put Sam above everything else, no matter what age he is. ALWAYS.
He may care about others but Sam will always be his number 1 priority.
Which has been shown over and over again. No one goes before Sam.
The show's over. We're coping fine...........
Frees himself and heals from what?
No matter how big a Sam stan anyone is, they'll never be a bigger Sam stan than the biggest Sam stan of all time.
Dean.
Dean kept on choosing the same thing. He didn't want to free himself from saving people and hunting things. Even when he had the choice, he chose hunting. And Sam. Every time. Even when he was in a good space. Especially when he was in a good space.
Sam stans aren’t coping with anything they got exactly what they wanted. You still rage about this show in 2026 you’re the one with the “cope.”
Frees himself and heals is just code for “destiel.” They don’t really care about this.
It’s been over FIVE YEARS. Stop being so embarrassing and move onto another show already. Sam stans are fine. Like we were all live tweeting about how great the ending was. With them in heaven. Exactly what we always wanted.
Lol @ them thinking we’d be fearful of something that never had a chance in hell of happening in the show. And since we got the ending we wanted, we’re not the ones having to “keep coping;” that would be hellers and Dean stans who’ve been throwing temper tantrums over the finale for 5-going-on-6 years now.
The show's over. We're coping fine...........
How is choosing to live his life with the person he loves most not the best for him?
He could have had a relationship, he didn’t want it. He could have done anything. He didn’t want it. It really is that simple. When Dean was free to choose, he chose Sam (and vice versa btw as you always miss out Sam in this “happy ever after” fantasy, Sam could have gone back to college but he chose Dean).
What’s better than Sam? The being reanimating a corpse who betrayed them time and time again that Dean swings from wanting to kill to reluctantly forgiving because the person he loves the most asked him to?
There has never been fear from fans of the brothers, there never will be fear. We knew what the show was about and what it wasn’t. We knew that it was going to end with the brothers together. The ones not coping are accounts like in the screenshot, still crying and denying canon 6 years later.
Never mind they’re talking about a fictional character, how is Dean supposed to “free himself and heal” when the show is over and his character died almost six years ago. Also, Dean doesn’t WANT to free himself. He was miserable when Sam was in the cage. And their idea of Dean freeing himself isn’t even Sam and Dean still being close, but living in separate homes, Sam raising his son and Dean enjoying pie, dating casually, and fixing up cars and spending time with his brother and nephew on weekends. To Sam haters, it is only acceptable if Dean cuts Sam off completely.
They think he’s a real person. A person they don’t understand. Dean was completely at peace when he was with same. Many times over. That’s what he wanted. It’s what gave him ultimate satisfaction when he reunited with him in Heaven. They not only don’t like Sam, it’s ultimately Dean they don’t like either. You can’t separate him from Sam just because you’re butthurt he’s there.
They also think the show's still on the air. 😂😂😂
They think Dean is an entirely different character than what they watched because they weirdly project themselves onto him and it’s really funny. 😆
My favourite is when they say they relate to Dean while hating Sam. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Jensen and Jared, Purgatory10, may, 2026
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I will never understand. Why do they think they its a win for hellers, if sam feels jealous. If sam is jealous of that profound bond, dean will have to break that bond. I think, they think that cas and his presence in dean's life matter, much more than sam's does to dean. So they think sam feeling jealous, as they proclaim is a win for them.
"Look sam is burning and left alone and his stans are crying. "
And I am like, sam being jealous would do nothing but get that piece of angelic ass out of dean's life much faster. That would be it. Its not a win for them. Dean literally said to cas, that time when this profound bond was being discussed with soulless sam. Dean literally made sure to say that when sam calls, cas should come.
What do they think answer was for another angel and another vampire. It was dean reassuring sam that he shouldn't even dare think he would put anyone infront. Its like direct answer to question when sam told him that he didn't like dean choosing anyone over him. Sam feeling jealous, does nothing when dean would never choose cas. He would always return to sam. Sam is the main character. Cas is a side character. If sam feels jealous, cas gets ditched If cas feels jealous, only he feels miserable and dean would do nothing. people don't have any media literacy.
Are they for real?? That that scene is a win for hellers? Dean was telling Sam "don't you dare think there's anyone past or present I would put in front of you!!! EVER!!!!" Do they realize that includes their precious cas? That not even cas would go in front of Sam? How is it a win for THEM?? Do these people not understand basic media literacy?
What makes their reframing of the church scene even funnier is that, by this point in the episode, we’ve already seen Dean give no shits whatsoever about losing Cass to the Angel trials followed by Dean panicking when told Sam won’t survive the Demon trials. The episode provides a clear one-to-one comparison there and it’s Sam who comes out on top.
Sam may have been feeling jealous (though I think it was more about Benny than Cass), but that did not mean there was anything at all worth being jealous of. Deans speech in the church and the episode as a whole proved that Sam’s concerns were unfounded.
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Journey - Faithfully Highway run into the midnight sun Wheels go 'round and 'round, you're on my mind Restless hearts, sleep alone tonight Sendin' all my love along the wire They say that the road ain't no place to start a family Right down the line, it's been you and me And lovin' a music man ain't always what it's supposed to be Oh, girl, you stand by me I'm forever yours Faithfully Circus life under the big-top world We all need the clowns to make us smile Through space and time, always another show Wonderin' where I am lost without you And bein' apart ain't easy on this love affair Two strangers learn to fall in love again I get the joy of rediscovering you Oh, girl, you stand by me I'm forever yours Faithfully
Woah-oh, oh-oh Woah-oh, oh-oh, oh Woah-oh, oh-oh, oh-oh Faithfully I'm still yours I'm forever yours 'Ever yours Faithfully
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I came across a very interesting pile of shit. Now, its my own fault i was just searching through sam&dean tweets and i found this amazing piece of Fanfic.
These people really think Dean would give up Sam and that he would prioritise Cas, if sam was in danger. The laughable shit is they think dean saving cas, when Sam was not in any mortal danger makes Cas more important than sam. Dean would skin cas alive if it meant sam will live. Will he cry through it? May be. But cas is gonna become a sphynx cat.
They really have the audacity to compare sam and cas, when dean wouldn't even choose him above bobby. May be compare him with adam. Dean also called adam, his brother and family and when shit hit the fan, he was left in hell, just like cas was in empty. 😂 He also tried to save adam too. These people should compare cas with adam. They have too much similarities. It would be more suitable. I would have said benny, but dean actually cared about benny much more than he cared for either adam or cas, and he still killed benny to save Sam. That should tell something how he sees cas. 🤣
These people hate everything about the show, anon...........they have no clue what it was about, who the characters even were.
Good evening
What relationship do you think he has with cas? 🤣🤣🤣 And yes, Lava, Dean will ALWAYS prefer Sam in any situation, what did you think you watched? He'd even skin cas alive to save Sam, hell, he'd even choose Sam over his parents. I beg you to learn to understand these characters. 😂😂😂😂
Nothing weird about it at all, Lava Loon lol. Dean's proven repeatedly that it's Sam over everybody for him. If he was told that he had to kill Cas in order to save his brother, Cas would be dead before the sentence was even finished.
😂😂😂😂
I know they meant “romantic” relationship but they don’t have that type of relationship. He considers Cass to be his “brother” - not Sam’s level of course, but likely higher than Adam so no, in theory there’s nothing Castiel can do that Sam can’t. And the only time asks him for something is instances he doesn’t want to hurt Sam (but has no issue hurting Castiel btw), so asking him to put him in the Malec box because he knew Sam wouldn’t be able to or asking him to look after Sam if he’s not there to do it himself.
Dean prefers Sam over Castiel in EVERY situation, that’s canon fact. In terms of sexy times, Dean gets that just fine from transient hook ups, he’s not looking for a relationship in that arena at all. Lisa was a fantasy, something he thought he wanted but it was clear from how easily he walked away that the reality was not something he actually wanted. He did not try again after that.