Yet Another Classpecter

Yet another classpecting blog! A Maid of Light from the Land of Doors and Voices. I can analyze and suggest classpects, powers, lands, quests, sessions, lusii, typing quirks, etc. Main blog is @girl-from-the-otherworld

[yet-another-classpecter]

If anyone is still paying attention to this blog, I’m now @life-of-mage! I’m gonna change up what/how I post and all, but with the amount of time that’s passed (and my realizing I’ve mis-classpected myself), I feel like it’d be good to restart.

[shadow-wasser]

Troll culture and biology (3/4)

More theories/headcanons about Trolls and their society. References my other posts tagged ‘troll headcanons.’

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[octanttrollmance]

Awesome theories, especially with regard to rainbow drinkers.

[leg-stealing-bee]

If this post get to 200,000 notes by my 18th birthday (November 3rd 2020) I'll get my profile pic tattoo...

I'll get that little guy tattoo

Edit: at people wondering if I really do want this tattoo...I do it's cute and has good memories

[thouroghly-inconsequential]

GUYS WE DONT HAVE LONG LEFT TO GET THIS TO 200,000 NOTES.

[nookisms]

Wow you have to admit the dedication of the people who reblogged this several times

[broadwaytheanimatedseries]

PLEASE REBLOG

[ipaniceverywherenotjustthedisco]

GUYS PLEASE THIS IS I M P O R T A N T

[yet-another-classpecter]

Hi, do you still offer classpecting advice? I'm trying to figure out my class and could use some help please D:

Hi, it’s been a while, but yes! Pm me and I’ll get back to you as soon as I can :)

[zenosanalytic]

Yeah, you could interpret Aspects as perspectives; not as Aspects of reality but as ways to look at or interpret reality. In that way each Aspect would govern all of existence, but from a specific philosophical standpoint.

Oh cheese; that actually makes a lot of sense. Think about how Aranea thinks of the Sylph class compared to how we see Kanaya impact the story, or how Aranea thinks about Light compared to how Rose and Vriska do. Or consider John changing the material phase of his body from solid to gas, which really ought to fall under Space if Aspects cover different sets of everything in Reality, or Aradia literally fighting with an army of her Doomed selves spawned via timeline manipulation which seems pretty Doomy, or both Aradia and Sollux controlling their Reckoning meteors, which again seems very Spacey. Heck; the only “power” we see Tavros, our Page of Breath, use is basically a larger-scale and more polite version of our Thief of Light’s mind-control, and Kurloz, our Prince of Rage, can use his Rage powers the same way.

[theworstpersonintheworld]

Aspect-as-philosophy is great, precisely because it explains a lot. Hell, if this theory is right, you can understand Heart just by reading Plato.

But… It’s also hugely problematic, because it opens up a whole new can of worms concerning subjective reality. If one aspect argues for predestination and another argues against it, and both are armed with magic powers, how can anyone tell which one is true? I actually wrote a short story to illustrate this issue for a couple of theory people, and nobody liked the idea of a world that contradicts its own rules this way (if we can even still call them rules). Besides, it pretty much means that any statement by any character, no matter how “factual,” can be interpreted as subjective opinion aligned with a particular aspect.

There are just a couple aspects where this doesn’t seem to be an issue at all, though. I’ll post about those later this weekend.

[yet-another-classpecter]

If this isn’t dedication, I’m not sure what is.

[yet-another-classpecter]

Any ideas for a temperamental Thief of Mind's land?

So sorry I haven’t gotten to this earlier! I’d suggest as a starting point, the Land of Tundras and Formulas (LOTAF). This land is extremely cold and wintry, and the weather capricious. As you explore, you find many strange compounds hidden under the earth or in the ice, and as they react, they form even stranger products—some of which have been poisoning the environment and consorts. Your quest is to learn how these compounds react, and make sure you don’t destroy the planet in the process.

[yet-another-classpecter]

Just curious, have you done an analysis of Rogue of Light yet? I've been trying to figure my classpect out, and it seems a lot like me, but it's difficult to find many good personality explainations. I also got Light on the True Zodiac test (Lipio), but I don't know if Rogue is the right class for me.

Hi! I have not yet, and I don’t have the time now (sorry I saw this so late) but I’ll get started on it ASAP!

[yet-another-classpecter]

We now know that…

Blood color has no bearing on aspect.

Aspect has no bearing on which moon you dream on.

KARKAT IS A MUTATED LIMEBLOOD CONFIRMED.

Aspects are clearly more fundamental than classes by a long-shot.

Those floating jade symbols from that one panel about troll symbols mean something!

Multiple trolls can have the same symbol.

Everybody go edit your trollsonas…

There’s possibly something fundamentally special about the original Homestuck trolls (since they have the True Signs).

Hope and Rage actually mean something.

Light and Void are knowledge-based, not fortune-based.

Apparently putting on and taking off masks is a Heart thing, not a Mind thing?

The WhatPumpkin aspect pairs are almost definitely not canon.

Guys, this is more instrumental than we thought. The veil that’s been hiding so much of the HS canon has been lifted a ton. There’s still speculation to do, but so much has been settled. Finally!

[dahniwitchoflight]

all of this except that last one make any sense, the aspect pairs are absolutely canon? they an integral part of the test and its point and how it decides to give out an answer

the aspect description itself say “Your Aspect indicates that you are bound to one of twelve cosmic properties: Breath, Blood, Life, Doom, Light, Void, Time, Space, Heart, Mind, Rage, or Hope. Each Aspect is paired with another, which are in opposition to each other, as seen in the wheel below.”

like, it doesn’t get any clearer than that

and the order of the wheel is canonly solidified too by the fact that neighboring aspects affect each other in the test, getting point in Breath ALSO gives you lesser points towards Hope and Life

like, the order of the aspects on the wheel and the fact that they have canon and clearly shown opposition pairs is absolutely a thing? where are you getting otherwise?

[mustardpeach]

Maybe they meant that one HS aspect graphic? This one, that suggests most of pairings are different. Void with Life, Blood with Rage, etc.

[dahniwitchoflight]

oh that

I never thought of that as supposed to be representing any pairs, just as a graphic representing the all of the aspects in general, and the placement based just on the artist’s design

I mean, Breath and Light being a pair is clearly wrong so it never struck me as supposed to be about pairs, the only pairs it does have are time and space and mind and heart, and I think thats more by coincedence than anything

[yet-another-classpecter]

Yeah, I think that started as theorizing about Karkat and Gamzee, or how Dave and Jade have opposite aspects and so John and Rose must too (but that doesn’t stand up with the other kids). But yes, those are exactly the pairings I meant.

[yet-another-classpecter]

We now know that…

Blood color has no bearing on aspect.

Aspect has no bearing on which moon you dream on.

KARKAT IS A MUTATED LIMEBLOOD CONFIRMED.

Aspects are clearly more fundamental than classes by a long-shot.

Those floating jade symbols from that one panel about troll symbols mean something!

Multiple trolls can have the same symbol.

Everybody go edit your trollsonas…

There’s possibly something fundamentally special about the original Homestuck trolls (since they have the True Signs).

Hope and Rage actually mean something.

Light and Void are knowledge-based, not fortune-based.

Apparently putting on and taking off masks is a Heart thing, not a Mind thing?

The WhatPumpkin aspect pairs are almost definitely not canon.

Guys, this is more instrumental than we thought. The veil that’s been hiding so much of the HS canon has been lifted a ton. There’s still speculation to do, but so much has been settled. Finally!

[dahniwitchoflight]

all of this except that last one make any sense, the aspect pairs are absolutely canon? they an integral part of the test and its point and how it decides to give out an answer

the aspect description itself say “Your Aspect indicates that you are bound to one of twelve cosmic properties: Breath, Blood, Life, Doom, Light, Void, Time, Space, Heart, Mind, Rage, or Hope. Each Aspect is paired with another, which are in opposition to each other, as seen in the wheel below.”

like, it doesn’t get any clearer than that

and the order of the wheel is canonly solidified too by the fact that neighboring aspects affect each other in the test, getting point in Breath ALSO gives you lesser points towards Hope and Life

like, the order of the aspects on the wheel and the fact that they have canon and clearly shown opposition pairs is absolutely a thing? where are you getting otherwise?

[yet-another-classpecter]

@dahniwitchoflight Exactly, the WhatPumpkin pairings (named after the arrangement of aspects on a WhatPumpkin ad) are Breath/Light, Hope/Doom, Blood/Rage, Life/Void, etc. And those pairs are definitely not canon, because the aspect wheel is solidified otherwise. I could’ve been clearer with that, but the point is, Breath and Light or Blood and Rage are not opposites as many (many) people have theorized.

[katanahime]

New and Improved! Extended Zodiac Aspect Quiz Explained

Remember when I made this post? Well, I had a solid foundation, but it was total hubris thinking it was “Complete”, let me tell you.

This is still VERY important:

Maybe even more important than I thought before.

I was right when I said people were missing something when they thought it was just the aspect itself factoring in and that the adjacent aspects gave you points as well, but I was still missing something.

This is what’s actually going on: Your aspect is giving your aspect points, the adjacent aspect is giving it points, the opposite aspect is giving it points, the opposite adjacent aspect is giving it points.

That’s right. Far from being any sort of negative, the opposite aspect *actively gives points*, although obviously quite less than it gives itself.

When you think about it, this fits entirely with the spirographic nature of how things are presented. Things are connected to what is opposite of them and what is next door.

By the way, so you know, in case you saw the post before I edited it, and for the record on this post as well, the tie breaker bias order is the following: Time, Space, Heart, Mind, Hope, Rage, Light, Void, Breath, Blood, Life, Doom.

I haven’t nailed down the math exactly, yet, so I’ll have some concepts for that under readmore. UPDATE: I may have nailed it!

Keep reading

[katanahime]

Update! Pretty sure I solved it!

Help from Kreuz’s model which I used to help engineer the correct positive values. And also iA, roowco1 and TM_pono on discord the entire way from the first post’s model.

[megalomustelid]

I know they’ve already done a lot of automated testing, but I’d just like to add on to this that I’ve checked around 150k random answer combos against the actual site and they ALL match this model.

Since they’re random, I might check the same combo more than once, but with a total 5^12 = 244 140 625 combinations possible I feel like checking a variety of combos quickly is more important than making sure they’re not counted twice.

My script logs itself in here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-MQYwQfuC_AIkDX0F7vv1EPxCcXG7AQQ/view?usp=sharing, it’ll post an error if there’s a mismatch.

The code: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KYOiBDOusUp6GqcpcwELOT9GbfMsz-o_/view?usp=sharing

[yet-another-classpecter]

DAMN this explains things

[chuckle-voodooz-deactivated2020]

Leonardo De

[aspectarchive]

Regarding the Extended Zodiac

I feel compelled to make a post in light of the release of the extended zodiac, and with it canon aspect information. I’ll keep it brief.

I will be quite honest and admit that I find the aspect descriptions underwhelming, shallow, and disappointing. They feel half-assed and lack depth. If that’s all we’re getting, I think I would have preferred they weren’t released. The several classpectors I’ve spoken to so far about this feel the same.

so, with that in mind,

I’m not going to revoke or revise any of the theories I have shared to account for this new “canon” intel. Because the shitty quiz personality given to each aspect doesn’t hold a candle to the more extensive, more thorough, more creative, more interesting ideas that we theorists have been creating, sharing, and discussing for years. If we were to sweep all those theories off the table to replace them with a dozen brief paragraphs just because those paragraphs came from Hussie himself, it would be an injustice to all the effort and time invested in those ideas by the amazingly brilliant and dedicated theorists in this community.

I suppose it is kind of interesting to get some confirmation that we had the right idea, in most cases. But some of those aspect descriptions were just…not well done? Many Heroes of Rage are understandably upset over what they were given. I’ve spoken to Heroes of Heart that were confused by what they were told.

Almost everyone I’ve talked to got the wrong aspect from that quiz, including myself. (Time?? Really???)

I’m not altogether that surprised by that latter statement. I will always stand by the opinion that quizzes are an unreliable method of determining any part of your classpect (or personality), so to get our first canon classpect information within a shitty personality quiz is twice as bad.

or that’s how I feel, anyway. I will continue to run this archive as I did before, with hardly any acknowledgement of the new canon shit. maybe I’ll draft or share some posts analysing these new ideas, but that will have to wait for a week or two until my classes are over for the semester.

what about you? do you agree/disagree? feel free to share your thoughts as well, I’d be interested to hear from more of the classpecting community.

-AC

[catchaloststar]

I think there’s two issues in the extended zodiac quiz. One is the simple MC format that inherently prioritizes ease of use over accuracy. Frankly, this quiz’s main purpose is to advertise the video game and sell merch (as we approach the holiday season, ofc), and so it has to be generally accessible outside of the classpect community. And heck, the classpect community already has all the in-depth title finding stuff anyway, how do you compete against detailed theories of thousands and millions of words that have built up over several /years?/ Go there if you’re into that. If you already know your title, keep it. If you’re a casual fan, or a fan who’s taken every classpect quiz they can get their hands on and read every description they can find and still can’t decide their own title, this is pretty cool. Yeah there’s a lot of negativity, but outside of classpect there really are some posts cheering that they’ve finally figured out their real aspect, marveling (or complaining) that the test somehow managed to describe them perfectly, making new fantrolls with the new signs, and/or getting more excited about Homestuck than they have in years. Anyway, if every true scotsman knows that online quizzes are inherently bs and the only way to determine a classpect is to truly know yourself and decide for yourself in real life, then I don’t know how anyone expected more from this one. I’m not saying this makes the quiz good, or that its purpose is good, but it’s good enough for its purpose.

I think the real issue here is the newly “canon” aspect descriptions. Just like the quiz itself, they’re simplified waaay down from what we’ve been able to expect from the classpect community over the last few years. And I really do agree with @revolutionaryduelist that these aspect definitions are simplified for accessibility and are NOT comprehensive definitions. Light’s the big tipoff. Hussie himself has said in a formspring response that Light in a mythological title “translates” to Fortune, and that’s what we see and are told all through the comic in Vriska’s case. I’ve never been a fan of the Light-as-Knowledge theory, and I’ll admit that straight up. But that’s definitely the clearest case of the Light aspect in Sburb not lining up with the “aspect-bound” descriptions of the quiz.

I identify with the Mind aspect, but the quiz gave me Life. And when I looked at the quiz’s aspect definitions, Life was definitely the one that fit me best. I don’t think it gave me the “wrong” aspect - it actually made me realize that Mind’s “seek and implement the best option” is very similar to Life’s “create positive change (the change that /I/ think is positive).” I’m still thinking out how I want to address that, but I find it all very interesting.

Also I thought what it said about Doom and suffering was REALLY interesting for the Mage class. Sollux really does two things during the story: he breaks rules, and he gets killed by them. A lot of fan theories said that the Mage suffers their aspect. But if Sollux’s suffering can be attributed to his aspect, then maybe the Mage class is actually something else? (Then this starts meandering into an incomplete pet theory about Mages and Witches as +/- rule breakers, but I’ll spare you that particular monologue.)

Ultimately, I don’t actually think the quiz is /wrong/ in anything it says in its results (I’ve always considered my goal in classpect to be figuring out what Hussie intended, rather than finding a philosophically complete system - I guess I swing pretty Void in that way), and I also don’t think it’s complete either. There’s plenty of space to add additional parts and details about the aspects and how they affect a person.

(Unless something in the definitions is mutually exclusive with something in your own theory. I got my theory directly contradicted from “Light players seek Success at All Costs” to “Light players seek Knowledge at All Costs” and that kind of just comes with the territory when you’re theorycrafting in someone else’s work. Anyone who can’t deal with that on an emotional level probably shouldn’t be theorycrafting in the first place.)

[utopianparadoxist]

Yeah I don’t believe these are meant to tell us DEFINITIVELY what each aspect is at all. It’s just a personality test that gives us some new nuggets of clear info and presents an entry-level guide to the subject for newbies. Hiveswap has a clearly more in-depth treatment of the Light aspect and Classpects in general imo.

[yet-another-classpecter]

I feel like the extended zodiac answered a lot of great questions we had about, say, Karkat’s blood and what determines your moon, but I agree, the aspect descriptions were really disappointing. TIME?! What was that?! My biggest problem was that it didn’t ever mention what the aspects stood for, which is, ya know, the whole point of having aspects. This is overall a really nice piece of canon, but that really let me down.

[yet-another-classpecter]

Now that the new information has come out, what can you tell me about being a prince of mind? Anything that comes to mind really.

I don’t think the new info has changed a ton about Mind, but let’s see: a Prince of Mind destroys (with) logic and decision making. Princes of Mind, early on in their story, would be focused on destroying the enemy, making logical advances and strategies. But they really wouldn’t be all that happy with that position, preferring to employ Heart. While they’re good at doing Mind-y things like planning and decisions, their true desire is to understand themselves and follow their emotions. Eventually, this will lead them to destroy the Mind they had been using, abandoning logic and going with their gut.

Powers might include being able to find the most strategic way to defeat an enemy, or using logic to destroy the plans or opinions of others. Later on, they could possibly destroy someone’s mind (which would probably kill them) (I say probably because come on, this is Homestuck we’re talking about), or at least their logical faculties, making them unable to make informed decisions. 

[pyrlspite]

signs as: numbers from 1 to 288

[thyrell]

i dont see how the fuck this could possibly be a homestuck post but i also dont see how this could possibly not be a homestuck post

[acreaturecalledgreed]

homestuck just made up a shitton of zodiac signs theres 288 now

[thyrell]

ok I thought that was a really funny reply but apparently thats just something hussie did what the fuck

[yet-another-classpecter]

Homestuck: Where no one can ever tell what’s happening ever.

[yet-another-classpecter]

We now know that…

Blood color has no bearing on aspect.

Aspect has no bearing on which moon you dream on.

KARKAT IS A MUTATED LIMEBLOOD CONFIRMED.

Aspects are clearly more fundamental than classes by a long-shot.

Those floating jade symbols from that one panel about troll symbols mean something!

Multiple trolls can have the same symbol.

Everybody go edit your trollsonas…

There’s possibly something fundamentally special about the original Homestuck trolls (since they have the True Signs).

Hope and Rage actually mean something.

Light and Void are knowledge-based, not fortune-based.

Apparently putting on and taking off masks is a Heart thing, not a Mind thing?

The WhatPumpkin aspect pairs are almost definitely not canon.

Guys, this is more instrumental than we thought. The veil that’s been hiding so much of the HS canon has been lifted a ton. There’s still speculation to do, but so much has been settled. Finally!

[yet-another-classpecter]

It's me againnnn. This one I'm REALLY curious about. What are the powers+personality of a Seer of Time?

Sorry if this took a while! I’ll focus on this one for now and get the other ones later. Let’s see... a Seer of Time understands time intuitively, rather than from learning by experience. They use their knowledge to guide others, typically.

Seers of Time, as they approach godtier, would be able to see various timelines, or gain insight into the future or past. They’d also have a great understanding of how time travel and all the Homestuck-y time shenanigans work, making this another classpect that’d be good at understanding Homestuck. They just get how all those twisty turny timelines work :) Not to mention that given Time’s association with abstract linear thought, and the Seer’s association with intuitive logical knowledge, these guys are probably very left-brained and good at getting abstract concepts and logical processes, or thinking in a linear way.

Sorry that this is kinda short, but I don’t have much else to say. Perhaps I’ll add on later.