so obviously the person has me blocked but he was responding to this ask, where someone sent me a post of his and went through my response to it
that Black trans women have the highest rates of assault victimization in the community means nothing to me in terms of "disproving" transandrophobia, because no one is arguing with that
the link to "trans men make more money than all women" is to this study. i want to note that while obviously harvard is a trustworthy source, i am kind of frustrated by the lack of a methodology section in this report. there are, in fact, other studies that look at trans people and the gender pay gap. this frequently cited HRC study finds all trans people are below cis men and women, and this study looked at a ton of variables and found a lot of complexity in how trans people (based on both binary gender identity and AGAB) are affected economically, including that trans men experienced about the same pay gap as cis women. this study also found that "when estimating outcome gaps within the ‘Trans’ group, FTMs have significantly lower incomes, are more likely to be in part-time work [31%, compared to MTF 14%], but are less likely to be unemployed compared with MTFs." which is also a finding corroborated in part by this large European study, finding that 12.3% of trans women were unemployed (more than trans men), but of those with employment, 42.4% were full-time, while only 29.9% of trans men were. wage gap studies often look only at full-time work, meaning that potentially 1/3 of trans men who are employed may not be fully considered in many of these studies. this study of LGBT poverty found that trans men had the highest poverty rate at 33.7%, slightly higher than trans women at 29.6% and far higher than monosexual cis women at 17.9% (bisexual cis women actually have rates similar to trans women in this study, and bisexual cis men had rates of 19.5%, which we really should talk about more). ultimately, Things Are More Complicated Than That.
the other two points are just hilarious as mentioned above. this also does nothing to disprove transandrophobia because people who discuss transandrophobia talk about this a lot - and, in fact, talk about how "being treated as property" and "not allowed to wear pants" are not things that were left in the 19th century. there are in fact places where crossdressing is still illegal and where legal autonomy for those classed as women is practically non-existent, and people who discuss transandrophobia talk about this frequently. wonder why!
the last point goes to a broken link which i cannot find a fixed version of, but looking up in the quote its clearly an article pushing back on the MRA use of misandry to be a direct and complete equivalent of "misogyny." the points made here are fair but irrelevant to the specific transfeminist use of misandry I'm talking about. if you read the Transunity Manifesto, "misandry" is used and defined very carefully because, shockingly, it was written by feminists who knew very well how the term was associated with MRAs, and since the start of this discussion, people have been talking about how to define misandry or androphobia or anti-masculinity in a way which does not lend credence to a simplistic, cissexist, anti-feminist understanding of "male oppression" as a direct mirror of "female oppression." this person does not seem to have really engaged much at all with my definition of misandry, or my points about Black feminist discussion of misandronoir/racialized sexism.
"MRA dogwhistles" so the feminists I mentioned are also aligned with misogynists? just because some anti-feminists have used the term in shitty ways, no one is ever allowed to use it for feminists purposes ever no matter what, even though people are already doing that and its pretty fucking obvious they aren't MRAs based on the context it is being used it?
also, the MRAs who tell me to kill myself because they hate that i attribute the systemic suffering of men to patriarchy and not The Wicked Feminist Scourge, would disagree with you on who i'm aligned with methinks
"i am a trans man" this is perhaps the least shocking thing you could've told me in this situation
all in all, people who deny transandrophobia continue to fail to disprove my point that they do not actually intellectually engage with the discussion or show any respect to the trans people and feminists involved, they just have talking points that they use to justify why they don't like the term.
