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it’s a little bit ridiculous that the trans erasure discourse has ended at any place except “erasure, similarly to all transphobia, is a thing that happens to both transmascs and transfems but looks different person to person”
There's a post going around from 2014 about how transmisandry doesn't exist and people are now distraught that it's been 11 years and we're still having the same discourse
Except they're upset that we're still trying to prove transmascs and those perceived to be transmascs experience unique forms of oppression rather than being upset that it's been 11 years of people not listening to transmascs about their own experiences.
Someone even said that us switching to transandrophobia was to hide what transmisandry was actually about, rather than at least in part trying to find a term that will satisfy these transphobic assholes
also the thing about "we need to focus on the people most vulnerable, and transmascs may be vulnerable but not more than trans women!" is that it doesn't consider transmasc erasure as an active force.
its a take from the perspective that trans men are "vulnerable" is some vague abstract generalized way, not in a way which would behoove anyone to adjust their behavior or take action on their behalf. its the erasure of erasure; the assumption is that trans men probably have enough resources and support anyways, which could not be farther from the truth. some local communities may have more transmasc-focused resources, but many others do not. transmasculine people are left out of vital conversations, are excluded from vital resources, are ignored and forgotten when they are abused and killed.
it treats transmasc erasure as something which is passive in itself and which can be solved passively. which is erasure itself in action. i do not really give a fuck about "who has it worse," it is not about that. it is about the fact that if YOU do not make an ACTIVE EFFORT to advocate for transmascs, to make transmasc suffering and oppression visible and legible, it will not happen. it simply will not happen.
erasure is an active force. we all internalize transmasculine erasure and we can all easily contribute to it; we are expected to contribute to it. trans men&mascs cannot afford the model of "well we only need to raise awareness for the most vulnerable" because our vulnerability is defined by being ignored.
this is why unlearning anti transmasculinity has to start from (un)learning erasure. once you start to see it as an active force/tool of the patriarchy you realize it is the lynchpin that holds so much (especially intercommunity) anti-transmasculinity together. transmaculine absence is so normalized people experience our presence as an intrusion, and people genuinely do not understand why we would ever need to be more visible than we are. it is fucking everywhere.
like idk i remember reading about a trans man in India who, after he came out to his family, was literally locked in a room in their house. just shut up in a basement somewhere, out of sight and out of mind, until he managed to escape (and even then, there's also a trans man in India whose parents sent the police to track him down and kidnap him from a shelter meant specifically for trans people).
or trans men like Sophie Lederer, who was only 19 when he was arrested for "talking silly and claiming to be a boy" in the early 20th century, and the only other thing I know about him is that he spent the rest of his life, over a decade, institutionalized for his transmasculinity. god only fucking knows what was done to him in those years by his wardens.
that is the image of transmasculine erasure. it is boys and men locked in closets and basements and prison cells disguised as hospital rooms for years until they are dead and buried as women. if they even get a headstone at all. it is dead-eyed mothers with three children who have no income or job experience and are married to a cis man ten years older than them who they know would kill them, and possibly their children, if they even mentioned being trans. if you think of transmasc erasure or "invisibility" and imagine a white cis-passing guy working stealth at his office job, congrats! transmasculine erasure is already living like a fungus in your mind. i am trying to make you feel the horror the patriarchy has trained you out of feeling about the state of transmasculine oppression.
#Robert Eads died a preventable death from ovarian cancer because no gynecologist would see him#They refused to have him in his clinic because they werent familiar with trans men and because it “would reflect badly on the practice”#By the time he was finally seen the cancer had metasticized and it was too late.#Transmasculine erasure kills#and it's still happening TO THIS DAY.#There is very little difference now than there was 30 years ago.#The other day i watched a video from a trans man who called at least 30 different gynecology clinics#before he found one that wouldn't be weird and cagey and discriminatory against trans men.#All to get a pap smear. A routine examination to screen for cervical cancer.
given that the UK government accepted guidance which excludes trans people from single sex spaces which specifically includes this:
I am once again telling y'all that trans men&mascs literally cannot afford this oppression Olympics bullshit. Care about us, specifically, on purpose, or you will help them kill us.
[ID: 13.145 If it is justified to provide a separate of single-sex service, then it will not be unlawful discrimination because of gender reassignment to prevent, limit or modify trans people's access to the service for their own sex, as long as doing so is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim (schedule 3, paragraph 28).
13.146 For example, a trans man might be excluded from the women-only service if the service provider decides that, because he presents as a man, other service users could reasonably object to his presence, and excluding him is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. end of ID]
so many people are quick to remove the "trans" descriptor when taking about trans men.
"you don't experience discrimination/bigotry based on your gender, you're a man."
"you couldn't possibly understand how women are objectified, you're a man."
"you don't face medical misogyny, you're a man."
genuine questions for people who believe this: what do you think trans means? how do you think most trans men lived a significant portion of our lives? do you truly believe we're treated the same as cis men, even when we are visibly trans? do you believe that trans men aren't actually trans, or that we're not actually men?
This might come across as harsh but if you are perisex and assigned male at birth you do not FUCKING have endometriosis! No matter how validated it would make you feel you don’t fucking have it and lying to claim to have a condition that causes nearly unmanageable pain for a quarter of your life or more is disgusting. You don’t have it. I don’t care that you can pull up a bare handful of barely substantiated cases from a study you didn’t read you. Don’t. Have. It. You might have Crohns disease or IBS or something like that and I’m sorry that doesn’t feel affirming enough to you but get over it
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People often categorize endometriosis as a “women's health” issue, leading many to think it's a disease of the female reproductive organs —
In perisex people AMAB, endometriosis is an extremely rare (but it can still happen, and SOMEBODY has to have it) response to estrogen therapy (due to prostate cancer albeit but I'm 100% sure it can happen from estrogen as Trans HRT). True, there were under 20 reported cases as of when the article was written but the number is likely to be higher because doctors already are terrible about endo in people AFAB so naturally they would also dismiss the prospect of it in those AMAB as it is much rarer
Please do not spread misinformation, I'm inclined to believe that anyone AMAB who believes that they have endo has already ruled out Crohns or IBS
Wow 20 whole cases that’s so crazy! Anyways you don’t fucking have endometriosis
I never claimed to...?
Op, what's this stolen valor grade bullshit? Even if someone misdiagnosed themself with a condition they don't actually have, what's in it for you?
The fact that it’s a condition with no cure and no real treatment other than “idk have a major surgery or get pregnant a lot” that is understudied and that most people refuse to take seriously because periods are painful for everyone so why are you whining so much. The fact that it’s a condition that causes your internal organs to be physically glued to each other and to your abdominal walls and causes internal bleeding. The fact that it takes most people around a decade to be diagnosed and even then the only diagnostic tools available are an ultrasound wand shoved into your vagina followed by surgery. Because nobody gives a shit unless it hampers your ability to be breeding stock. Because instead of trying to help us scientists are trying to figure out if it makes us sexier.
I don’t believe that you’re stupid enough to not understand this. I know you know it would be wrong to claim you have fibromyalgia or EDS or asthma or seizures or fucking whatever that you don’t have and try to get sympathy and resources that you don’t need.
You don’t care because it’s about menstruation. You don’t see what’s the big deal because society has ingrained in you that diseases related to the uterus are inconsequential at best and something you deserve at worst.
It's underresearched according to your own admission, but you're just so solid certain that a bit less than a half of the population is ontologically incapable of having it? And you keep dismissing the evidence people show you because the number of discovered cases doesn't satisfy you? That's unserious.
Don't start shit with people about what disabilities they have or don't have. Everyone knows their own body better. And no, severity of a disability does not mean you gotta double down on sniffing out "fakers". Just don't do that crap, to anyone.
Your anger seems, to me, to be coming from the idea that if people assigned male can have endometriosis, then somehow the immense medical misogyny experienced by people assigned female who have endo doesn't exist or doesn't matter and you aren't allowed to talk about it at all. Which just is not true. All of the points you've made about the medical misogyny targeted at those with endometriosis and vaginas/uteri can be true and important, and people assigned male who aren't intersex can have endometriosis.
Plenty of cis women act the exact same way about trans women having hormonal menstrual cycles, insisting that its impossible and everyone who claims they do is lying or mistaking IBS symptoms, and that its stolen valor to claim that its possible. And yet it is possible. The body does not care about maintaining very clear distinctions between sexes for the sake of making political points more black-and-white. Men in pink collar jobs earn less than men in blue collar jobs. That doesn't mean that the devaluing of pink collar jobs isn't misogynistic, or that people seen as women aren't primarily being affected.
I did read one of the studies listed in that article, which is both a case report and a literature review. They surgically removed a mass from a man's abdomen and that is how they diagnosed it as endometriosis. That seems... pretty credible to me?
Gross exam of the mass in the operating room revealed a central cystic cavity with cloudy brown fluid. Further, the results from immunological stains performed by pathology revealed a highly unexpected diagnosis with an immunoprofile consistent with endometriosis. The H&E stain (Figure 2) displayed a layer of endometrial epithelium with underlying stroma. The cells lining the cystic mass stained strongly positive for CK7 (Figure 3(c)) and estrogen receptors (Figure 3(a)). CD10 stains were positive (Figure 3(e)) and CD15 staining was focally positive (Figure 3(d)) in the underlying stromal-like tissue. GATA-3 stain was negative. The patient was discharged on postoperative day two. In a two-week followup appointment, he had complete resolution of abdominal pain. [...] A comprehensive review of risk factors, location, immunohistochemistry, and outcome of prior documented cases of endometriosis in males has been accomplished for comparison (Table 1). Most of the cases involve increased estrogen in men with liver cirrhosis [2, 6] or prostate cancer treated with long-term estrogen therapy [1, 3, 5, 7–9, 11, 13, 15]. Although this patient did not have the aforementioned risk factors, it is possible that his obesity with a BMI of 35.7 caused increased systemic estrogen levels. In the case reported by Zamecnik and Hostakova, the only identifiable risk factor was obesity as well [14]. Several studies have identified a clear, positive association between increased obesity in men and increased estrogen production [17]. This phenomenon is likely associated with increased aromatization activity of adipose tissue, overexpression of proinflammatory cytokines, insulin resistance, and hyperactivation of insulin-like growth factor pathways [17]. In relation to male endometriosis, it could be theorized that this increase in aromatization could provide pathologically elevated estrogen levels to drive the growth of endometriosis from remnant embryological cells in a male.
& Its notable to me that they use such definite language, because PCOS/PMOS is also believed to occur in people assigned male without uteri/ovaries, but from what I've seen that hasn't been treated by the medical community as a definite reality (i.e that article says "PCOS might affect men" even while saying brothers of women with PMOS have symptoms suggestive of it). So even if there are only 20 cases, that these are treated as sure cases of endometriosis is telling to me. And why would they lie or overemphasize certainty about this, when there's no gain I can imagine by doing so?
Once again, everything you've said about the profound impact of misogyny on people with endometriosis can be true and important and real, and perisex men can have it. These do not contradict each in other in any way, a person assigned male claiming to have endometriosis does not mean you are not allowed to talk about any of that or that it doesn't genuinely affect people or that it isn't misogynistic or anything at all.
If your advocacy for people with endometriosis, people who menstruate, people with uteri, is so easily hampered by the reality that sometimes things which impact us also impact people with penises and testicles and no uteri or vagina, I think that's a weak spot for you in your ability to advocate on these issues. I see no reason why this being a reality should impact your ability to talk about these things in any way. If someone claimed that they are a perisex person assigned male with endometriosis and so the misogyny doesn't matter, or that because people assigned male can have endometriosis it means you aren't allowed to talk about the things you've discussed above, they are wrong.
If it is true that perisex people assigned male can get PMOS or endometriosis, it changes nothing about how medical misogyny shapes the lives of those seen as women with PMOS or endometriosis, and the importance of talking about that.
I think tumblr needed to see this since my dash is full of posts about this subject atm
ugh stop letting a few niche micro bloggers on tumblr make you think transfeminism has an issue with antitransmasculinity…wait no don’t look at any other social media site either… no no don’t look at the most popular published transfeminists …. fuck no shit wait don’t look at the coiner of transmisogyny …
it’s not a tumblr issue. it’s not a bluesky issue. it’s not a twitter issue. its not an instagram issue. it’s not a tiktok issue. it’s not a fucking reddit issue. it is on every goddamn site i have looked for community. it is on fucking youtube for christ’s sake. it’s in the literature staples. it’s in the academia. it’s in the in-person community. story after story and story responded to with “this isn’t a wide spread issue it’s just happening in [insert whichever specific place that person was].”
i repeat for what feels like the hundredth time though i think it’s only the fifth: if you do not think an axis of oppression exists then you will without a doubt be perpetuating it.
most transfeminists i have seen over the last three years of observation do not think they can be meaningfully bigoted towards trans men and mascs. they do not think they can meaningfully hurt us. they do not think they need to check their biases. so their biases are going unchecked, and my god is the harm and bigotry abundant.
the problem is fucking everywhere. stop belittling us every time we try to bring it up bc it’s just a [blank] issue. i am going to scream now okay? okay.
[pulling out a small part of my longer post to highlight it on its own]
you can not remove the transphobia (and especially not only the transmisogyny) from radical feminism and expect it to be clear of bigotries. that is because transphobia is only one manifestation of the root issue.
the deep, underlying problem inherent to radical feminism is the intense demonization of men, to the point that it even comes around to demonizing anyone with any (real or perceived) connection to men or masculinity as a whole.
radical feminism is a vast ideology, not all radfems hold the exact same beliefs, and thus this demonization of men manifests in various ways: transphobia (sometimes more focused on trans women, sometimes more focused on trans men, but usually transphobic all around regardless of what they claim), biphobia, homophobia, racism, intersexism, exorsexism, aphobia, polyamphobia, butchphobia, ableism, fatphobia, hatred towards kink and sex work- i could go on.
and much like how some people try to excuse saying extremely misogynistic shit as long as they tack "white" or "straight" (or a different identity irrelevant to their statement) onto women, radical feminist spaces are completely rife with saying the most bigoted shit to so many marginalized groups as long as they say its directed towards men. ones status as a victim or oppressed does not absolve them of bigotry or perpetrating more harm.
since it's pride month i think now's a good time to put an end to the discourse: transmisogyny and transandrophobia are equal and non-opposing forces which can be experienced by nearly anybody if they're just in the wrong place at the wrong time. no one group of trans people has it worse than the other, because everyone's personal experiences are simply too complex and wide-ranging to ever accurately answer that question, nor is it a question worth answering in the first place because it could only serve to drive a wedge in our community when we need solidarity and unity now more than ever. love your transfem sisters, love your transmasc brothers, love your nonbinary and intersex siblings, and do it more than you hate bigots. happy pride
i should be nicer to anons calling me an egg maybe it's their first time seeing someone even slightly gnc
i have to ask actually. what happens when you go in someone's inbox and go "omg you should try being a girl i bet you're actually a closeted girl" and it's a trans man. does that ever happen. what then
auaahhauhghhh awful awful awful
!!Daily reminder!!
Trans men are NOT your enemy
Trans women are NOT your enemy
Transmascs are NOT your enemy
Transfems are NOT your enemy
Non-binary people are NOT your enemy
Agender people are NOT your enemy
Multigender people are NOT your enemy
Genderqueer people are NOT your enemy
Genderfluid people are NOT your enemy
Intersex people are NOT your enemy
Xenogender people are NOT your enemy
People who use neopronouns are NOT your enemy
People who use microlabels are NOT your enemy
Gender-non-conforming people are NOT your enemy
People who have detransitioned (wether out of necessity or those who don't see being trans as "a trend") are NOT your enemy
And if you think that a specific group of trans people or gnc people or any"the enemy", you're just wrong. No group of trans people is the reason for the hate cast towards us, and saying so is transphobic.
It is not trans people's fault for transphobia.
“I’m not saying trans men aren’t oppressed, I’m just saying transandrophobia isn’t real!”
Yeah, well, when people are using the term transandrophobia to mean the oppression of trans men, you saying that transandrophobia doesn’t exist to them is actually saying that trans men’s oppression doesn’t exist. You could be saying, “what you’re talking about exists but you’re using a term which I think is harmful,” but no, it’s always, “it doesn’t exist.”
Like.
If I were to say, “transmisogyny doesn’t exist*,” would you assume I mean that I think the oppression of trans women is real but I don’t like the word that’s being used to describe it? Or would it be much more reasonable to assume that that sentence is denying the oppression of trans women?
And now why would that change when we’re talking about the oppression of trans men?
*for clarity’s sake, no I do not think this
Really not great that any depiction of a person with a mix of sexually dimorphic features gets interpreted as a depiction of a binary trans woman made with a purpose of persuading other trans women that they can't or shouldn't pass as cis.