The one bad thing about the anti-Lily Orchard community is that a lot of people are obsessed with pretending Hazbin is good just because Lily doesn't like it. Guys please that show is really bad in so many ways you don't have to defend it
The thing about Lily is that she’s the last person you should go to for critiques.
Whether you and I like or dislike the piece of media she’s criticizing is irrelevant—if I’m being blunt here.
If there was a scenario where I didn’t like Steven Universe, I likely would’ve been put off by how reactionary she is towards the show and its creator. And trust me, I’ve seen this sentiment expressed about Lilly among those who weren’t even fans of it to begin with.
It’s something that transcends certain circles.
Same thing applies to my neutrality towards the Hellaverse—even if I personally find the reactions to be polarizing. I tried to at least find some critiques that don’t go back and forth about Vivienne because even if I might disagree with them, I can understand that they watch the shows in full to talk about it. I simply can’t trust Lily to not be inflammatory towards it because she’s broken that rule many times with everything else.
The point is that if you’re going seek out serious good-faith criticism, don’t go to Lily Orchard. It’s like going to James Somerton for queer analysis.
What the actual fuck is wrong with you, like actually. Leave Britt and Sheev alone do you not realize how fucked it is to put them both on blast on Bluesky like this? They’ve both faced so much fucking harassment and you’re just inviting more when they don’t deserve it at all.
Dude, no one else really cares about your beef with lily’s view count or media takes. Just stop clogging the critical tags with your posts because it’s covering up actual evidence against her. It isn’t that hard to listen to victims.
Excuse me.
99% of my posts haven't even been in the tag because I turned that functionality off on my channel until a week ago.
So while people like @garbotoxinenthusiast have amicably settled their differences with @britts-galaxy-brain and others in lily crit sphere about clogging up the tag, you're just responding with hostility and what seems to be outright refusal to change your mind or even consider they might have a point. Who exactly is the more mature and reasonable party here? You have the opportunity to prove you're the reasonable and caring person you purport to be, you should use it.
You really aren't looking good here, man. No one's asking you to be a perfect victim but please, not for Sai, Spacefrog and Sai's simps, but for everyone else, you're better than this.
....i don't particularly care about "looking good" for anyone?
I immediately agreed to not spam the tag the moment I was tagged. I have no memory of this post because I have been passing out from overworking myself a lot, but I don't care about looking good.
I do care, however, about ensuring accurate information and making sure the right people find the right information.
So if refusing to respond to Lily Orchard spreading dangerous or damaging information about me is what that takes, then fine.
Anthony gave money to a rapist too so I don’t know why you act like it’s impossible for him to make light sexual abuse, he’s done it before. It’s sad how much he’s manipulated you into being his personal guard dog who jumps to his defense every time he lies about his rape apologia.
Yeah, @agramuglia gave money to CD-Call, a rapist, a bad move, though it hasnt happened since to my knowledge, though she still regularly vague posts about him and tells him he should kill himself
Why are people so fixated on this $2 superchat when Lily has Patreon members and and channel members who actively give her money on a regular basis, enough money to live on or close to it? And this is not even accounting for the Ad Sense revenue she gets from people watching her videos, both fans and the hate watchers.
Anon, can you answer that, why is the superchat Ant sent, which probably put less than a dollar in Lily's pocket, an unforgivable sin while others who actively support Lily get a free pass? Don't answer, we know why, you just want a reason to be mad, hypocrisy and consistency be damned. Try to do better in the future.
I THINK they meant a different superchat I MIGHT have not made it clear, during my flurry of responses that I am NOT actually trying to get on Ants case about his singular superchat
Might not have been clear, if that wasn't @agramuglia my bad
( I HAVE CHANGED THIS AND DISABLED THE ABILITY TO REBLOG THE OLD COPY. )
Y'all in the Lily hatedom need to start noticing when someone who makes videos on Lily acts like Lily.
Essence of thot did it, and y'all ignored her horrible personality because she was a trans person going after Lily.
Poppy did it, and only one of you noticed. And you got rid of them because Courtney made up some accusation y'all never questioned, (cause hearts were trying to get you all to act less like rabid dogs and be normal, and you didn't like that ) Poppy was allowed to get away with it until Courtney let too much of his true personality out, and Poppy got nudes of him.
Courtney, God bless him, acted like anyone who disagreed with him was a pedophile rapist so no one wanted to risk being the next Hearts. But when he started going after Brittneigh (The patron saint of Lilyhatedom and the top Bitch of the Critical blog community ) then you suddenly cared. Courtney was also a victim of Cd-call and her sibling. So you ignored all the ted flags because you wanted to USE HIM AS A SWORD AND SHIELD.
Courtney was later found to be suspicious and looks like a groomer now. Britt and others knew all about the minors in her server, but didn't make a fuss about it at the time because they needed her.
Sai had screenshots of her typing out the HARD CENSORED N-WORD, and y'all accepted that the context that she was totally doing it to argue with a racist.... When the truth was that Nugatory was BLACK. Which changes a whole fucking lot. Sai pointed out that people only hated her for ' setting boundaries ' and being a loud woman. You ignored when Crim suddenly cut ties with Sai and left the Lily-hatedom. You ignored when Brittneigh left her Discord.
Nugatory is not a good person either, so don't lump him in with victims.
Sai is not a perfect person and never pretended she was one. It's y'all acting like everyone who comes in is going to be the one who's going to destroy Cd Call and Y'all just ignoring any red flags or stop signs.
Ant challenged Lily to review an anime FOR A LOT OF MONEY, and none of y'all said shit about it until he started arguing with us on Tumblr. Anthony Gramuglia gave Lily Orchard ( Cd- Call ) 99 cents in super chat money during a livestream to posture himself as an internet badass. Anthony acts like he needs permission from his audience to make his stance on Lily/Cd-Call known now. He obviously didn't care enough about the accusations to stop himself from giving her money or trying to commission Cd Call to review an anime he knew something about.
But no, let's coddle this grown man because he made that Pokémon defense video, and he has mediocre media takes. Ignore how similar he is to Vox or that he pins all the faults of Hazbin onto the creator and not the actual writers of the episodes with the stuff people complain about. Ignore that the majority of those he goes after are women. I'm sure that's not suspicious at all.
This is a PATTERN that y'all KEEP falling for!
Stop putting Lorch snarkers on a pedestal and start being critical of your blorbo.
What I mean by this is that y'all will run defense for these people and IGNORE red flags that are trying to TELL YOU that this person is not a good one.
You will use people like tools to get to Lily.
You use former fans as testimony while not really treating the victims of Lily/Cd 's TOXIC behavior with respect.
You just see them as a sword and shield. Not a person with feelings.
If they turn out to be flawed or speak too much, then you turn on them and try to play pretend that you NEVER LIKED THEM and TOLERATED them.
You did it to Courtney. You did it with Patch.
If they're too loud and not controllable, then you push them out and act like they're a bad seed.
Fucking call the army call homeland security call the fire department, he sent a single superchat to her once
"He's just like Vox" & "He pins all the faults of Hazbin onto the creator" please watch a different show, also:
Also why was your original post tagged crimsonender? You don't even mention him in rhe post?
End of the day Ants a big boy and he don't need me to defend him but if I can make a joke out of it you bet your ass I'm there for the comedy!
Now I don't know the context about the Sai posts, truely we live in an age where solo screen capturing things to nail people to crosses is alive and well but if you can't show the context and instead are explaining "There is context but.... nuh-uh" then you are immediately out of line
So I want to compare two posts, one from Crimsonender and one from 4e3076.
The post from Crimson ender reads as follows: I was thinking about making a post saying “I think trans men and nonbinary people should be allowed to hunt baeddels for sport” but I knew it would be twisted to say I’m a transmisogynist for making a dark joke about a group of people that think I would be better off dead just for virtue of being assigned female at birth and daring to identify as something other than a girl. Painting trans men as the bad guys once again when baeddels are out here saying the most evil vitriolic things about us. Anyway that’s why I think trans men and nonbinary people should be allowed to hunt baeddels for sport. End quote.
I mainly want to focus on the last line of the post but I will talk about some of the rest of it as well. So to begin with I want to define baeddel as a term, it’s an old English word that has a debated definition but the general consensus is that the term means "gender non-conforming or effeminate man” it can also refer to intersex people, and the word is associated with another word, waepenwifestre that is defined as “a woman with a penis or masculine traits”. More recently it was used by TERFs to refer to trans activists, and within the last few years some transfeminists identified as baeddels. The wording of Crimsonender’s post makes it clear that he is using the more recent definition (although, even if he was using the old definition, that does not improve the content of the post). The next part I want to define is “I think trans men and nonbinary people should be allowed to…” Crimsonender is trans masc, so it’s clear that he is talking about himself, but the “should be allowed to” part is what I want to focus on, saying you should be allowed to do something suggests a desire to do so but not being allowed to, for example “I should be allowed to eat an entire cake” has the same meaning as “I want to eat an entire cake but I’m not allowed to”. And the last phrase to define is “hunt for sport” this is the easiest to define, sports hunting is killing an animal with no necessary reason such as survival. So if we plug our definitions into Crimsonender’s post we get this, “I want to kill transfeminists but I’m not allowed to”. For some reason, Crimsonender thinks that you need to twist his words to make him sound transmisogynistic but unless you think that twist means “define” I think he might be wrong with that point. As for his other point that “a group of people that think I would be better off dead just for virtue of being assigned female at birth and daring to identify as something other than a girl” I searched through baeddel posts from 2024 and I couldn’t find anything close to that, the closest I did find was a post saying all men should kill themselves, which does not mention non binary people and does not single out trans men or say that the reason is because they don’t identify as girls. If there are posts like this then I’m sorry that this happened but tu quoque.
The second post I wanted to look at is from 4e3076 that reads: Patricia Taxxon should be allowed to kill people. End quote.
This post doesn’t have anything I need to specifically define, it’s very straight forward, you may have noticed that the image of 4e3076’s post I used was from Agramuglia. Agramuglia shared a screenshot of the post as evidence that Patricia Taxxon is dangerous, and reblogged Crimsonender’s post endorsing it. I think the comparison of his attitude towards these two people is very interesting, a post that Patricia Taxxon did not make is evidence that she’s dangerous but a post that Crimsonender made fantasising about murdering a vulnerable minority is just a joke that he completely agrees with. Crimsonender and Agramuglia have engaged in lolcow and kiwi farms style stalking of multiple trans women and the simple reason is that they’re bad people and it's profitable for them.
ANTHONY OFFERED LILY ORCHARD 600 DOLLARS TO COVER EVANGELION AND THE LILY CRITICAL SPACE WAS ABSOLUTELY ON BOARD WITH HIM DOING IT! The only ones who called him out on this were Hearts ( and some other blog ), but Anthony wasn't sorry for giving a rapist, pedo money. It's amazing to watch Anthony act like he really did anything to stop Lily when all he did was line his own pockets and snark about her on Tumblr dot com. He milked the KP situation for money too, accidentally showed hate art of kp pegging some other pony on his livestream, and no one in the Lily Critical space but Heart's Envy account talked about that one either! The only time the ACC brought this up was to show a screenshot of the Saicord reacting to it. Because they were more interested in taking Sai down a peg than holding Anthony accountable. They only went after Anthony for the Noah shit cause he had burned down every opportunity to show growth. Anthony was a grifter. Full stop and it was a mistake for the Lily Critical bloggers to support him as long as they did.
Gee Anthony, which is it?
Do you not care about Hazbin Hotel and don't know anything about it?
Or are you justified in writing off a woman's work as "superficial" because you supposedly understand the themes? Of this thing you've never watched. Very Lily coded.
Does this imply that Ant only called out Patrica after Crim was banned from Bluesky?
He made a statement here
Follow up to yesterday's post. Crim's account on BlueSky was restored, and I would rather end this drama celebrating something constructive
Anthony Gramuglia14 hours ago
Follow up to yesterday's post. Crim's account on BlueSky was restored, and I would rather end this drama celebrating something constructive than focusing on bothering people. Please do not harass any of the people involved in the harassment campaign. Do not interact with them. There's no value in arguing. This is a community more interested in policing the words of individuals without a platform than opposing large scale grifting and awfulness. Let's continue to focus on the large scale issues and keep constructing something.
Say that someone gave Kayden money ' as a joke ' or Doodletones money ' as a joke ' knowing that both of them are predators.
Do you think for one second that Chuuli wouldn't get on their ass about that and they'd never live it down?
I get that Cd Call was talking about Ant and that he did it to scare her, but he still gave Cd Call money. Regardless of the amount, it's not a great look for someone who knows what Lily has been accused of.
She banned him immediately and probably didn't get that money; that's not the point.
The point is that He was willing to potentially give her money as a joke.
Anthony was willing to give Cd Call money for a joke.
And yeah, this happened years ago.
But he also challenged Cd Call to review an anime.
So this is twice that ' as a joke ' Ant has theoretically tried to pay Cd Call for comedy and as a threat that she's ' being watched '.
I don't want to believe that Ant is a bad person. I think he means well, but Dude, this was a bad idea.
Just own up to it. Apologize and try to do better.
Nah I don't think the Evangelion review stuff was a threat to show she is "being watched"
bro saw that his pokemon Lily takedown did good and wanted to basically make a lily orchard video. so he offered her a shit ton of money, with milestones n shit based on how much content he got out of it and how far she got into making the video, hoping she'd be dumb enough to do it for him so he could get another video out of it.
Imagine WANTING Lily to make a video shitting on your favorite show.
imagine owing Lily orchard $200 (or I guess $198 if you wanna count funny).
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