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I like Mary. I think she's awesome. I don't see why she has to be evil.
Oh, boy, okay.
Listen you can like Mary all you want – I loved her too before the fucked up her entire story arc – but her entire arc was building up to be a villain, and a badass one that was going to go down with a fight.
I’m REALLY not trying to be pedantic here, Nonny, but asks like this force me to pull out receipts, all of which I’m sure you’re not going to read, because who likes to be proved wrong, but I digress. I always end up sounding more harsh than I am when all I want to do is educate you on my perspective and what the narrative is teaching us.
THESE ARE THE FACTS (Mary in S4)
Mary is a Femme Fatale
Mary’s Possessiveness
The Problem with John x Mary
Mary’s Brand of Abuse
Mary Made Herself Unpredictable
Mary and the Liar Deduction
Sherlock at the Window
Mary is Moran
Mary Meant to Kill Sherlock
She Went to Finish the Job
“I Swear I’ll Kill You”
Sherlock Died!
Why Did She Kill Him if She Meant to Keep Him Alive?
Mary Chose the Chest Over the Head to Delay John
Law Student: Magistrate Says She Killed Him
She Shot Him in the Chest
Funny How Mary Says “kill” instead of “shoot”…
There’s Something About Mary…
Sherlock Did Not Forgive Mary
Sherlock Doesn’t Like Mary
Sherlock is Scared of Mary
No Really, He’s Terrified of Her
John the Dummy
What if Mary had Shot John?
Mary Surely Can Tell When John is Lying (Mary Underestimates John)?
John Did Not Forgive Mary
“I Choose the Baby’s Name”
Was John Mary’s Mission?
Does Mary Love John?
TAB
Mary Humiliates the Boys in TAB
The Opening Credits Literally Tell Us What Mary Is
The Titles get Larger as John Steps on Them
John to Mary: Shut Up!
Blog Entry in TEH
Horns of Infidelity
Why Is She So Eager for Sherlock and John to Go On a Case?
All About David
AGRA
Mary Since TGG?
Is She the Sniper in TBB?
A Red Target
Was it Mary in MHR?
Is Mary the Russian Assassin in TRF?
Mary and Lady Smallwood: Girl Power?
Was Magnussen a Freelance job for Mary?
Is there a Link Between Her Flashdrive and the one in TGG?
Mary’s Passport
Mary’s Timeline
Ammo vs Amo
THAT’S Why she’s a villain. When a character kills the title character of a show, they are coded as the bad guy unless they do a redemption arc that actually is a redemption.
Mary had NO redemption arc AT ALL. Even in S4, Mary is STILL manipulating and emotionally abusing Sherlock and John against each other with her fucking creepy-assed DVDs and her belittling of John in T6T. She still runs off to go do her little assassin things and still lied and manipulated everyone. And I know the argument is going to come up, but Mary’s gunshot was NOT a redemption. A redemption arc has the ex-villain doing a good deed and being genuinely sorry for their past actions. Not ONCE Mary has ever apologized for any of the shit she put everyone through. All of it was a plan, especially if she had creepy DVDs made FAIRLY RECENTLY (you can tell because of the hair style) to send out to people. Also:
YOU ARE EVIL IF YOU ACTIVELY OR POSTHUMOUSLY TELL SOMEONE TO GO KILL THEMSELVES.
That and Mary’s entire death scene was RIDICULOUS and completely contradicted EVERY rule that was established in this universe only 2 episodes prior on how characters die.
Nonny, Mary’s character arc is one I have been passionate about for many years, even before I was a Johnlocker, because her character was fascinating to me, and helped me understand the psychology and make sense of events that were happening in my life at the time. Right up until TAB, Mary was being coded as the next Moriarty. For some reason or another, Mofftiss decided to turn her into an “assassin with an heart of gold” and failed spectacularly.
If Mary truly was good, she WOULD HAVE TOLD JOHN FROM THE BEGINNING WHO SHE WAS, OR AT LEAST TOLD SHERLOCK SHE NEEDED HELP. HLV would have not played out as it did. Instead deciding that killing Sherlock was her only option so that she could continue to manipulate John, since she knew he was most malleable when he was grieving Sherlock.
You can read Mary’s character however you want, I could care less… well okay apparently I do because of this reply… But please, seriously consider that what became of her character really made no goddamned sense to the narrative arc the built for her and quite frankly really lazy writing. Just because she is a woman, doesn’t mean that she is nice and sweet and not abusive. Excusing her of her brand of emotional abuse and manipulation is really sexist.
People thought my mother was a nice person, too.
Reblogging because this came across my dash and it pissed me off. “All Johnlockers hate Mary”. No. I am a Johnlocker and I loved Mary – I actually thought she was GOOD for Johnlock – but then they fucking destroyed her awesome character arc.
This is my favorite post! Mary is a villain. Hands down.
Bless this post and response.
Mary is absolutely a villain and what makes the not-redemption suicide even more ridiculous is how she died in the exact same way that Mind-Palace Molly had said was impossible. It is also interesting on how the whole interactive case on “twitter live” with BBC featured a villain that -killed themselves- so as to keep two people apart so… take that as you will. The twitter live event was written by another person but it was sanctioned by BBC, was done after S4 was made and ready to air (so the contents were known). The way it reflects Mary having died by leaping in front of the bullet (and really, how did she have enough time to do that?) and then how she left CDs to continue to keep a wedge between the characters deserves to be noted.
Her character was constantly set to keep those two apart and the way that she never mentions or considers her daughter at all in any of the actions she takes is just salt on the wound when it comes to how narcissistic she was writen as a character. All in all Mary was an evil character and I would say a very badly written one at that. She could have potentially been a fantastic villain in the end but it looks like that entire thing was wasted for the sake of a dramatic moment.
I seriously loved her as a villain before s4, now I just hate her character.
I was so excited to see Mary become a BAMF villain in S4 but instead we got “Eururs” the x-men/the ring/SAW reject. Mary could have been our ‘Moran’… hell she WAS. The Empty House scene was MORANS scene in the books. Imagine what that moment could have been like… Or don’t. Because it always makes me upset all over again. >:(
Ah yes, thank you Steph for bringing back this conversation! Your words have pretty much described my thoughts. Everyone who knows me a little knows I feel very passionately about Mary, and I’ll tell you why.
I, too, loved Mary as a barely-covert villain up until S4, because I was excited to see our heros confronting her. But (even though I think everything in S4 is not to be taken at face value, and that there’s so much going on that we’ve been banned from witnessing) seeing Sherlock and John STILL seemingly oblivious to her true manipulative and venomous nature became SO frustrating for me, I started hating her. Hell, her sly maliciousness makes Moriarty look like a Saint. Every single interaction she’s had with the boys from day one was poisonous. She managed to have them both under her control even after her death, while remaining innocent in the eyes of everyone.
Re: @tali-zora‘s comment on Moran. I just have to add that there’s a reason why the “Moran” we saw on-screen didn’t utter a word. They muted that man, because the REAL Moran was already being adapted in the show. ;)
So yes, the creators crafted Mary’s character as a true Wicked Bitch –and I’m glad it’s canon that she’s described as such. But it’s not just Mary herself; it’s what she now represents thanks to that horrible narration at the end of TFP, when she has the audacity to turn to the audience trying to manipulate us as well. She breaks the fourth wall not just to ask us to erase Sherlock’s and John’s character development altogether and to stay blind to their true identities, but she wants us to believe that ‘who WE really are doesn’t matter’. They turned this on us. We are being confronted with the same ultimate evil our heros must defeat in order to finally be together within the story.
Mary’s become the personification of that “invisible enemy that hovers at OUR elbow on a daily basis, undetected and unstoppable”. She’s a symbol of the threat that “passes unnoticed” (yes, like the first villain of this show, the cabbie), yet is responsible for murdering innocent people. She’s the silent killer audiences must be aware of in order to overpower –because “information is the power to change”. She’s the figurative drug nobody asked to be injected with; heteronormativity, queer erasure, and all of the internalized oppressive ideals that this show encourages us to struggle against. She represents everything that kept Sir Doyle’s hand from making his love story explicitly gay in the first place, and the 130 years of adaptations that still had to keep it hidden under subtext as well.
At least that’s how I see it. To me, Mary’s villainy is at the heart of the subversive nature of BBC Sherlock. It’s no wonder we hate her so much. Everyone should. That’s the point of this.
I’ll just link to my video “Mary’s posthumous revenge; murderous jealousy” to contribute to this comprehensive analysis of Mary’s character.
Great addition, Marce, to a topic I am passionate about and will never EVER say I was wrong on. Thanks!
i have no interest in the new harry potter series but i just saw the trailer and honestly the LEAST they could have done was make his scar bigger like i see people doing in fan art it looks so cool when it looks like LITERAL lightning
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and then. My partner started it. And the SAME THING happened to him.
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"Thingy (possibly happening?)" Vs. "Thingy (possibly dude?)"
Anomaly is another great one: "thingy (???)"
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the thing about “this is not who we are” vs “this has always been who we are” is that like. i get why people are frustrated with the former especially if you are interpreting it to mean “everything was cool before 2016 and one single orange man ruined it all.” and we can like. talk about all the nuance together on bluesky or whatever but some people are out here just trying to get the median american idiot to strongly self-identify with democracy so they can more effectively reject autocracy. and then the actually smart people who know history can improve society somewhat
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It is so surreal seeing the stranger things stuff going on rn because it's so similar to a certain Week back in January 2017
