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It really says something that a lot of monogamous people consider polyamorous and aromantic to be "opposites" but every polyam person I know took one look at aromantics and said "they're just like me for real"
Poly folks x aro folks in the sense that "alloromantic heterosexual monogamous people view love and sex as an entirely different entity than me, and that makes life kinda strange"
liking someone platonically is so embarrassing like. yeah i admire you. yeah i think about you all the time. yeah i look forward to every time i see you even if it's only for a minute. yeah it's all platonic and yeah i couldn't explain this because it'd sound romantic. fucking hell
Aroace culture is being THE BEST at never have i ever
see now THIS is how you do an introductory google form
Not a woman or a lady but definitely a Girl. Not a man or a boy but definitely a Guy.
Barbie (2023) is to she/theys what The Lego Movie (2014) is to he/theys. I can’t explain it but it’s TRUE.
Everybody clowning on OP's post drives me a little nuts. really? Movies about gender-coded toys, sexless by nature, could not possibly do anything for non-binary people who feel some alignment to gender? Could not possibly resonate? Maybe in a way that includes how the sexism of society was pushed on them as children?
it seems so strange to me that the only people it is socially acceptable to live with (once you reach a certain stage in life) are sexual partners? like why can’t i live with my best friend? why can’t i raise a child with them? why do i need to have sex with someone in order to live with them? why do we put certain relationships on a pedestal? why don’t we value non-sexual relationships enough? why do life partners always have to be sexual partners?
My grandmother and grandfather more or less adopted my grandmother’s best friend back in the 50s. After my grandfather died (before I was born, back in 1968 or so) they continued to keep house together, platonic best friends, and they hung together until they died, a few months apart, in 2007.
It’s quite recently, as far as I can tell, that living arrangements like that have stopped being regarded as normal.
It’s absolutely a new thing to find this stuff weird, and it has a lot to do with media pretending that the nuclear family and marriage are the only reasons to live with other people.
I’ve lived in a 3 adult household my whole life. My parents and their best friend. This was never weird to me, even though everyone my age thought it was because the media never portrayed these kinds of housing arrangements. As far as i was concerned, I just had an extra non-blood parent.
According to my parents, it was very common in the 70′s-80′s to buy houses with your friends, because it was financially smart to do so (so long as you were certain they were close friends who wouldn’t fall out with you and fuck everything up). Houses and house payments are much more manageable when you split the bills 3-4 ways instead of just two.
Millenials aren’t the first to think it’s a great idea to just shack up with friends. That’s housemating without the hastle of living with strangers. It’s still a good idea to shack up with people you’ve known a long time so you know how you’ll get on living together, but still. In the current economy, it’s pretty much now our only option for affording anything.
I think, and I’m not researched on this, but I think conservatives probably tried to suppress images of non-nuclear families because they likely thought it would encourage ideas of polygamy, polyamory, open sexual relationships with or without marriage, as well as other relationship types they thought of as un-christian or unsavoury. I could be wrong, but that shit wouldn’t surprise me.
(And i want to make a note that there’s also a disturbing amount of asexual denial around that makes people go ‘if they’re living together they HAVE to be banging because why wouldn’t they?’ and that shit both creeps me out and annoys me no end. People can be in relationships without sex. People can live together without sex. Sex is not the be-all and end-all and people being taught to think it is really need to stop).
Don’t let the media fool you into believing you can only live with a sexual partner or blood family. Someone somewhere has an agenda for making these seem abnormal, when really it’s just practical.
A lot of people acted like it was super weird when two of my brothers decided to move states with me when I started my postdoc. I got really used to giving a little canned speech about it because it seemed to bewilder people so much. (Their leases happened to be up! We could share rent! They wanted to try somewhere new!)
The notable exception was my grandma, who was just like, “oh, yes, when we were young my sister and I decided to move cross-country together and it was lovely.”
More of this kind of thing for everyone, pls.
The implication that close sibling relationships must also be a warning sign for incest also peeves me off; what kind of society are we living in anyway
#my mom’s a historian#does a lot of research#one of the main takeaways from the census data of literally every US census since the beginning#is that the nuclear family has never been the actual norm#nobody really ever lived like that#and a lot don’t now#and it’s clearly artificial and not ideal for most people#every household in the census had at least a grandma#usually a cousin#some rando#someone living in the house who wasn’t mom or dad or kid#always someone#usually several someones#some uncles etc.#unmarried aunties#that sort of person#but often unrelated friends#we’ve never really lived alone#that’s not how families work#that’s not how humans work
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Having a multi-adult household unit also just makes a shit-ton of sense, tbh. Much easier to split not only the bills, but also the housework and child-rearing responsibilities. Communal living ftw.
It’s also super a capitalism thing.
With only two working-age people in the house, it’s very difficult to make ends meet without one of them (or increasingly, these days, both of them) working away the vast majority of their waking hours to earn enough money to support the household. The other person, if they aren’t also working similar hours, is there to support that working person, full time, with unpaid labour.
The end result of this is that nobody has any time or energy to spend together properly, and they just end up tired and miserable and shackled to their work, throwing money at their problems because it’s all they can do. It’s very easy to convince tired, miserable people to spend their money in the ways you want them to, and it’s also very easy to manipulate and oppress people who don’t have the energy or the means to fight for their rights. Convince a whole nation that this is the way the world is supposed to work, and you’ll be well away.
Death to the cancerous myth of the nuclear family.
this is exactly the type of thing us aros and aces are referring to when we talk about amatonormativity
(cw: sex and swearing)
I'm tired of it being assumed that sex-repulsion is inherent to purity culture and that if sex-repulsed aces weren't raised in purity culture, they wouldn't be repulsed because I am living proof that that is not the case. I was raised in the punk scene. I was raised by Fat Mike of NOFX, a drag queen sissy singing songs about being pegged by post-op trans women. I was raised by Against Me! with puppy mask on a leash album art. I was raised by my parents' own goddamn band singing about whiskey dick and pretty boys giving them the clap. I was raised by a dad who let me watch South Park before I was even in preschool. I was raised by parents who would give me straight answers when I asked about something sex-related, they would never use metaphors or dance around the real issue. And I am still sex-repulsed, I am still uncomfortable when sexual things are applied to me, I still turn off shows/movies I wanted to like because of continuous sexual content, me being raised by a community that supports and participates in kink and has open discussions about sex did not change that. So many times it's "sex-repulsed aces are just immature and brainwashed to think sex is bad" no, what's immature is to think that someone who doesn't have the same exact comfort level or boundaries as you is wrong and "must've been raised incorrectly." I am pro-kink, I am sex-positive, and I am sex-repulsed.
Sex-favorablity is not the next step in "breaking away from purity culture," people are sex-favorable for their own personal boundaries and reasons, not because of some societal standard. Interaction stances are literally just personal comfort, not a moral standard, none of them are "better" or "more accepting" or "superior" than another
Submitted March 6, 2023
I never did have an “am I broken” phase, more like the other way around ironically
i think i'm just about ready to snap and start unhinged yelling about generational neglect in the queer community
young queers hate anyone that isn't young.
i wish it was more complex than that. it's always couched in some other argument of course, about how times have changed or how old people are inherently more conservative or how "outdated" language is "offensive", rich out of touch boomers etc, but it's just a distraction. new young people enter the queer community and want it all to be fresh and new and sexy, they want to be the trailblazers, the first generation really pushing back, the first true radicals. after all, if the previous generations had done it right, they'd have defeated bigotry and oppression, right? so they must have been fighting wrong. they must have been bad queers - sorry, bad LGBTQIA+'s. so they should shut up and let us kids fix it.!
of course there will be black and white photos of "elders" and a sort of performed reverence for "history" and us "always being here", but only as history, never as contemporaries, as members of our continuous community that we should actively listen to. the voices of those that came before are only revered once they're dead and they can't argue back at teenagers wildly misreading and rewriting their lives... or maybe even worse, the fresh queers might discover their revolutionary new praxis system has actually been done before!!
the excuse i hate most though?
"we lost a whole generation to AIDS"
i am so fucking sick of hearing this, absolutely sick to my stomach of it. because we didn't! i am not at all going to minimise how horrific the aids catastrophe was to our community or how many it killed, because i have heard first hand stories of people that lived through it, who lost friends and families to it.
but that's the point. they lived through it. many queers did! depending on where you are, most queers did!
we have a living, continuous, unbroken line of queers spanning back all of living memory who we could truly embrace as elders of a community, to care for and learn from, so that we don't have to stumble through alone, but we don't. a "queer elder" is someone like me apparently, 35. i keep having people in their early 20's tell me how thankful they are for my "wisdom", like bitch, there are 60-80 year old queers out there, ready to tell their stories! they will know a fuckton more than me, and all of it is still relevant!
when i was in my 20's, and i was lucky enough to learn from some of them at the rare events where they were welcomed; 50yo's setting up casual evenings for anyone and everyone to come and talk and share stories and learn from each other. i had a therapist once that was a grumpy old dyke that came out in the 70's, and while we often had friction in our opinions on mental health strategies, her experience was invaluable for me untangling a lot of internalized hatred and self loathing. it broke my heart one day when she just straight up said "people would rather pretend we'd all died from aids though, than have to listen to what we've got to say".
but even in the decade since then, it's got worse and worse.
everyone i know my age who once had an active and thriving social network in the queer community has withdrawn into isolation. we live in small pockets with few friends. there's no space left for us. all ages events and gatherings are organised for the fresh and young, and they complain if we're there - we being anyone who dares to be a little wrinkly and saggy. any event that has a minimum age, 30+, 40+, 50+ etc, get flooded with hate for being "exclusionary", or "hoarding resources" like community is a 4X game. teenagers complain about "creepy old predators" having picnics at midsumma carnival. people in their 60's are told to go kill themselves for daring to use the same language they did 40 years ago - ironically right in the middle of the aids crisis that supposed cost us all our elders. horizontal ageist violence in the queer community is some of the nastiest emotional vitriol i've seen, and i've been hate crimed (:(:
so we withdraw into eternal loneliness, looking for scraps, being told our names and flags and core identities are as hurtful as the weapons of the oppressors. told we should either ovverhaul our entire experience of being queer to fit in with what's acceptable in this 3-year cycle of new identities and symbols, or stfu and go away.
but there's this pervasive fear and hopelessness you see among young queers, talking about how high our suicide rates are, talking about losing a whole generation to aids; because when we're made invisible, what are the youth supposed to think other than that we've got an expiry date, and they won't live past 29?
the elders are here and they need love and support too, or the cycle will just repeat, and those fresh sexy young queers will also grow up and be discarded, again and again.
and i'm so, so tired of it.
the swiftness and cruelty with which younger queers will discard someone from the community is unfortunately not limited to queer elders.
there is a tendency to dispose of anyone who says a wrong thing, has a wrong kink, isn’t ideologically pure in the way the in-group is etc.
it is a sad way to be in community, if you can even call it a community, when everyone lives in fear of making a mistake and being ostracized as a “harm-doer”; and it is exactly what fascists and homophobes want—it serves their interests for us to eat our own.
so maybe think about that the next time you go to cancel a 50-year-old queer for calling herself a transsexual.
There’s two versions of not finding someone attractive, like
1) “oh I GET it, I’m just not into it” and
2) “…what.”
I want to be yours.
I want to share my life with you.
I want to be domestic, I want to argue over who does the dishes, I want you to get fake-exasperated over how little water I’m drinking and I want to tease you about how cold you are.
I want to come home after a long day, and see you, and smile, because I can already smell the popcorn we’ll eat while watching our favorite shows.
I want to make references and laugh when you get them and laugh when you don’t get them. I want to sneak in tender references like “as you wish” and “always”, and I won’t care if you get those because I’ll know what it means, and I know that you’ll suddenly get it one day and remember all those times I’ve said it and you’ll know too.
I want to scroll through tumblr side by side, sharing memes and ranting about this month’s new discourse. I want to walk in on you standing over a burnt batch of cookies and laugh, because you look just like a golden retriever that dropped its favorite bone in the mud. I want to be reading quietly and have you burst into the room, “bruhhhh omg you have to look at this cat!!”
I want to protect you, though I don’t know if I can. Maybe you’ll be doing the protecting.. I want to be yours. Because I love you… but.. not romantically. I love you with all of my broken, little aro heart.. but I worry that I won’t be enough for you.
Or that I’ll be too much, that you don’t want what I want.
That you don’t dream about me when you’re sad, too. That we really are.. just. friends.
I worry that I’m overthinking this, that I’m just lonely and sad and that this is all a fantasy to distract from the tedium of everyday life. I worry that I don’t really want any of this, that I’m just clinging to the last scrap of “normal”, that society tells me I must find one other person above all else.
I want to be yours.. at least I think I do.
But if I can’t then I want to be by your side. Whether we are the type of friends who get married for convenience or the kind that talk a few times a week, I want to share my life with you. If I’m going to be perpetually confused (and it looks like I will be) then I want to be confused with you.
I want you to be my chosen family. And my absolute worst nightmare is that I will see you pop up in my facebook feed or find you buried in my contacts and wonder what happened to you. What happened to me.. what happened to us? What happened to forever..
I don’t want to lose you. You’re my person, the reason I smile and a glimmer of hope to fight the apathetic tide.
You’re more important to me than words can say~
I want to be yours
Home.
When I was sixteen years old, I was a very lost little girl.
I am tremendously lucky; my family is open and kind, my parents are loving, my church was liberal and warm, my school was progressive and thoughtful.
But I still remember getting teased mercilessly about how much of a ‘boy’ I was, with my short haircut and my t-shirt and shorts at the pool. I still remember getting mocked for being fat, for being not enough of a girl, for not developing fast enough, for developing too fast. I still can’t question my identity as a woman too much without cracking into a nasty mess of trauma. I was nine, and I wanted to be anything but what I was.
I still recall the pastor at our church crying because of the gay brother she lost to AIDS. I remember people outside of our little circle mocking us for working on his quilt square. I remember sobbing myself, wondering what I would do if I got infected, wondering if the way I was would kill me before I graduated. I was fourteen, and I knew that I was going to die. Young, probably. Certainly alone.
I can replay in my head when, at summer camp, were were tasked with writing monologues including one from the perspective of ourselves, fifty years in the future. I wrote a comedy about robot limbs and virtual pets. My friend wrote about how she would be dead, because something would have killed her. The world would have killed her. AIDS or violence or the government would have killed her. I was sixteen, and I knew none of us would see the other side of twenty. Some of us had pills to make sure it was so.
And then I remember this day, this miracle, magical day, when a girl from my youth group, three years older than me, beautiful and queer and proud, just came to my house. I think she knew, though I never talked about it, I think she could see in me what I was and where I was going.
We never hung out, but she picked me up and she told my Mom we were just going to hang out, and she drove me to a part of town I’d never been before. It was a coffee shop, and it had a bookstore, and it had rainbows painted into the fence, and I knew what that meant. And I was terrified. But N, she was so cool. She was so cool and so amazing and so confident and so self-assured. So I went with her.
She ordered a french press and I had a tea, and we just talked. About life, and philosophy, and all the beautiful, weird things teenage girls talked about. And all around me, there were these people I’d never seen before. There were boys holding hands. There were photos of women kissing on the walls. There were shelves of queer studies texts. There were Polaroids of quilt squares stuck all around the register.
And the longer I was there, the better I felt. And when we left, when the shop closed, I was so regretful to leave, so grateful to be there – I put every dime of my money in the tip jar.
And when I got back to my bedroom, I cried.
Because that place – it was home. Home. Home. It was safe. For all my objectively wonderful, fantastic life, I had never, not once in my life, felt like that. I could say anything. I could do anything. I could be anything.
And there were people there twice my age. Three times! There were old people drinking coffee, holding hands, buying books, obviously not alone and they were like me.
My mom asked why I was crying, and all I could tell her was that I was going to be okay. And that was it, that was the whole story. I was crying because I was going to be okay. Because there were people who lived beyond twenty. Because no matter what else happened, there was a home. I went back, over and over. When school started, I gave my carefully hoarded pills to someone else, but I also asked them if they wanted to come to the coffee shop with me.
That coffee shop is long gone, and N has moved on and we haven’t talked in decades, but that first trip was absolutely essential to my survival, because it taught me there were places out there that’d feel like home. Other queer spaces, ones that were quite explicitly so. Clubs. Parties. College groups. I never really came out, I just started being this person. The world around me was accepting enough that I could. And always, no matter what, if the world got too hard, I could find one of those places. I wouldn’t get hell. I would be home.
Where you go in, and you see someone like you. You see a hundred people like you but not like you, old people, successful people, beautiful people, ordinary people. You feel safe. You go home. Because it doesn’t matter what the place is, what people do there, it’s the people, it’s the strangeness, it’s the things you can not see in your mainstream life that make them special.
These places are so important. And when one of them is violated, even when I don’t know anyone personally affected, I feel like my own home was broken into. I feel terrified.
My family has been relentlessly, endlessly, constantly under siege since long before I was born. It will still be at war long after I die. But there are places like that coffee shop, like Pulse, where I can go to plan and play, to mourn and dance, to be.
I don’t have some big conclusion for this. I don’t have one of my usual messages of hope. I just wanted to say that places like this are important, that we need more of them. Places like this changed me, and for the better. Places like this are where my family lives. And while I will be on my guard, I refuse to be afraid to go there. I will go home, any time, any city, and there is nothing anyone can do to change that. The reward is worth the risk.
If you feel the same – if you can, if you feel safe – please, go to one of these places this week. Go to a club, go to a coffee shop, go to a mixer or an event, hell, go to a thrift store if it’s an explicitly queer one. There are a lot of people that are going to be afraid, this week. Go, please, if you are brave, and make those places weird and wonderful and diverse and home.
I wrote this in 2016, and I meant every word, and I mean it all over again now. And I’ll mean it every time someone invades our spaces, invades our lives, and tries to make us afraid to be ourselves.
It's PRIDE MONTH and wanting to start with this little remembrance from queer people in the past.
[ID in alt] From the book: Baby, You Are My Religion by Marie Cartier
Myrna Kurland passed before the book was published. May her memory be a blessing.
Shout out to that specific brand of asexuality that’s like, “I want to fantasize about sex. No actual sex! Only fantasize!”
I feel like we always see parents who are 100% super supportive allies, or parents who are horrible and cruel. At least in media or in the most popular stories. But I feel like that ignores just how many people have parents where you just have no idea? And even if you think they’ll accept you on a surface level, you don’t know if they have a breaking point. Especially if you need to go on hrt, or request they change the way they think about and refer to you. Sure they’re liberal and all, or centrists, or “tolerant”, but how far does that stretch?
I think most closeted LGBT+ kids live like this, wading around in the grey area. I’d like it of more of us knew that was normal, I’d like if we talked about it more.
We really, really don’t acknowledge the banal, disappointing reactions, and what those can do. When my husband came out to my MIL, her reaction was “Can I take some time to think about this?” and then she never, ever spoke about it again.
My MIL is not an awful person. She’s a loving mother who carries emotional scars from having been in an abusive relationship with her minister husband for a long time, which has left her with a disabling preoccupation with “What might the neighbours say” in her life, and that often means she makes poor choices without realising it. She loves my husband no less; she didn’t withdraw love and affection from him, didn’t cut him off.
But she chose to pretend it wasn’t happening, and that sent him into a hefty shame spiral we had to work through. A few months later, a stand up routine he did about being bisexual was doing the rounds on Facebook, and despite normally sharing every single routine of his, she rang him to tell him she wouldn’t be sharing that one because “Your brother’s wedding is coming up, and I don’t want it overshadowed by people talking about you and your news.”
And again, this is not because she rejects him. That’s an easy narrative, and certainly the one you’d assume from the outside. But that, in her own way, was her attempt to protect both her children from negative scrutiny - she truly thought that people would care, and would care enough to make a scene at the wedding, and that would hurt the two of them.
Everyone already knew. He’s a celebrity in his culture. No one cared. But, that was my MIL’s fear.
And the message it sent, intentionally or not, was “This is something shameful.”
She’s come to terms with it now. But she totally missed her “I love and support you no matter who you are” chance, and left him with a lingering issue. And that’s the sort of story we never see in queer media.
WOW.
I could write a whole essay, a whole book about this experience in my family, but I won’t. It feels ungrateful to criticize the actions of people who still say they love you, and have never hurt you and will never hurt you in the big dramatic ways we see in the media. But in my case, and I think in many, it isn’t a clean, decisive cut.
It’s a love that feels lesser. An acceptance with strings attached. And that hurts in a quieter way, but it still leaves marks.