Quintiple A’s

Asexual, aromantic, adhd, asian, and AWESOME

[smokey-ilya]

seeing lots of shane discourse today and just wanna say: people are unintentionally shitty in relationships sometimes and it’s not a bad thing, it’s just a human thing. relationships are based on ruptured and MORE IMPORTANTLY the repair of those ruptures… repair is what makes a relationship sustainable long term. it’s what allows someone to say something fucked up to their partner then reflect and apologize and act differently moving forward

and trusting in the repair process is what allows the hurt person to take time/space while knowing their experience will be acknowledged, accountability will be taken, and a joint recovery will be prioritized

we really reduce others (and ourselves) if we’re like oh he did something fucked up so he’s bad. that’s tired, boring, and reductive. what if someone did something fucked up AND really worked hard to address it and make changes? growth is magical and messy

[artemis-the-sinister]

People need to take this shit into account for every character they’re quick to condemn because they did something in the wrong way once or twice. I’m looking at you, character bashers 🖕

[glamrockmike]

realizing that the online sphere and especially tumblr is NOT a good sample for ‘what everyone thinks’ is so, so, so good for your mental health and moral OCD. i swear to god. realizing that you don’t have to live your actual life like you’re being hunted for sport because the average tumblr user will hunt you for sport for wording something slightly weird or engaging in the wrong stuff or whatever is so incredible. like no you’re actually not fucked up and evil for not donating or for watching that one indie cartoon or questioning a post that everybody is agreeing with. that’s just tumblrs georg making you feel that way

[estro-boi]

[artemis-the-sinister]

*slides Rachel Reid $20* can you write the Max and Leah story

[suzieloveships]

I finally understand why that argument was always making me angry

[artemis-the-sinister]

You can tell which fandoms are writing their ace characters with this in mind and which very much aren’t. Magnus archives? Gold star absolutely, almost all the Jon Sims fics keep his aceness in mind, even when it’s smutty. Sometimes especially so. Hazbin Hotel? I’d roughly estimate 1/10 fics remember to do anything with it. Not always in a great way either. Certainly none of the popular ones.

[memories]

you wouldn’t download a #hollanov.

[memories]

#epic the musical and Other Things That Ruined My Life: An Autobiography by artemis-the-sinister

[artemis-the-sinister]

Listen i think everyone deserves to ship whoever they want wherever they want to, but personally when a character who previously had been headcanoned sroace by the vast majority of the fandom is suddenly in a megaship with some other guy from a movie i haven’t even watched (no disrespect i just don’t like scary movies) i do feel a little bit robbed. I’m not gonna try to stop anyone ofc but yeah it feels like a fandom i was previously at home in suddenly doesn’t fit anymore.

[bigriceenthusiast]

imo a huge thing in the hayden discourse is the fact that a lot of us in the fandom are literally Homotron 3000 (myself included) and that really skews our perspective

like yes downright bigotry is never okay i am not defending that but the whole reason these characters are interesting is because they have to navigate queerness and unpack their internalized toxicity in a space where, for all intents and purposes, they're The First Gay Person Ever

the expert always overestimates what's common knowledge or however it goes

[softgnome]

Personally I do think that sometimes non-hockey fans can end up mischaracterizing Shane and Ilya because they don't know enough about hockey/hockey playstyles

The Ilya we see in Heated rivalry would not be throwing the first punch, he's not an enforcer. Ilya is a star center and a Pest. He wouldn't be doing his job correctly if he was punching players every other game, it would end up with not enough ice time to let him be the playmaker he's paid to be.

But being a pest can be playmaking! Find a player to bait, emotionally push them just enough that they try to fight you, and then get the fuck out of there before the ref gives you both penalties. This gets your team the power play. There is probably someone on Ilya's line dedicated to helping him get out of the fights he starts, and finishing them for him!

I also think this is also something that Shane would respect. Ilya is good at it and it's a good strategy for his team. I don't think Shane would see it as some dirty tactic, because Shane probably thinks everyone with a brain can see it for what it is! He probably thinks everyone should be able to see that being an asshole is a tactic for Ilya, that it's something to ignore and not fall for, that it's a strategy and not personal beef.

I think Shane's more disappointed when a Metro falls for it. Shane sees it as Ilya set up a Looney Toons ass obvious trap and one of his teammates ran into it. Why be mad at Bugs Bunny when you can be mad at your defenceman for falling for a fucking Bugs Bunny trap.

[rho-delta]

Yep, Ilya’s not the guy who throws punches or gets hit by them, that’s an enforcer like Ryan Price. It’s pretty clearly stated in the book. From Heated Rivalry chapter 9:

I think this confusion stems from the few hockey scenes in the show where Ilya checks people into boards (notably Shane 😈). But we don’t see any actual fights on screen and so we don’t see an enforcer in action, only Ilya shoving people.. which is definitely NOT a fight.

[artemis-the-sinister]

Ilya gets called things like an aggressive player and instigator so i think combined with hockey’s famously violent reputation it makes people think he’s personally starting fistfights when that would not generally be the case. Honestly Ilya probably only has to start a few fights over his early career to get that reputation

[elizabethtenderlyatomic]

Also, does it ever say in canon that Shane never fights? The non-enforcer type of fight is the heat of the moment/protecting a teammate type fight like we see when 5'10", 180lbs-ish Hayden drops the gloves on Marleau. (Even in those, there's a bit of etiqutte; if Hayden had concussed Ilya, Marleau can't exactly fight him, so it would have been Connors or someone while Marleau and JJ fight even though neither of them did anything).

If say Hayden was injured in a dirty hit and Shane didn't stick up for him, the old hockey men would be saying things like: Soft. Cowardly. Emotionless. Robotic. Doesn't care. (and yes, we all hear the dog whistles).

I think Shane probably does have a couple of official fighting majors on his record, from early in his career when he needed to prove himself.

If you look at the OG rivalry, Crosby's had 9 fights in his career and Ovechkin 4. Not what people would expect extrapolating back, is it?

[artemis-the-sinister]

The announcer going “have we ever seen Hollander and Hunter fight” when they got into their little tiff was probably exaggerating. Like many announcers tend to do. It almost certainly doesn’t mean they never ever fight even when deserved. They’re probably just players who never seek out or escalate the fight and stop as soon as they can. Players who get seen breaking up more fights than they get involved in. Players who have clean reputations, so the confirmation bias pushes the narrative that they never actually fight.

[gaygoatshane]

ilya apologizing for being the first draft pick

[wagyubeefs]

“the fandom has decided - ” “everyone agrees that - ” “we all know that this is the only right way to - ”

[artemis-the-sinister]

Is it so fucking hard to just not write Hayden into your fanfics if you hate him so much? Jfc it’s not fucking fun

[artemis-the-sinister]

Post retirement hollanov coaching rival college teams. Probably two collages within a 45 minute radius of their home. Division rivals who also practice against each other often enough that the teams become friendly. Trading championships back and forth.

[mooned-knights]

is anyone else annoyed that "ai" encompasses both chatgpt and tools we train to do repetitive tedious work for us. and by the ripple effect of articles like "scientists develop ai to detect cancer early" that make people argue for the merit of chatgpt or become anti-medicine. and by the general state of the world and society

[isuggesteatingtherich]

i have a suggestion

[artemis-the-sinister]

Lol guess i yap a lot in comments 😅😅😅

[hollanovstunamelt]

One thing everyone seems to forget in this fandom is Ilya said that Irina was funny too

I feel like everyone makes her out to be this perfect angel bathed in golden light who never said one bad thing about anyone and who wouldn’t hurt a fly

But the first thing Ilya said about his mum was that she was funny

Irina Rozanova was a funny gal, she cracked jokes, she was quick witted and let’s not forget she raised Ilya little shit supreme Rozanov

IRINA WAS FUNNY

[lavenderprose]

Yeah okay so some Hudson bled onto my Shane that's just what happens sometimes. Happens in the wash. You just gotta deal with it.

[artemis-the-sinister]

It’s like with whites and colors, you gotta remember to separate your shanes and your hudsons