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"they're not gay" I don't know man, I read a masterfully written fanfic on A03 that says otherwise.
I still don't know my purpose on this planet but I do love reading fanfiction.
they want me to believe that in less than 2 minutes they hiked a whole wall of a canyon to fight from there, people with ZERO training in anything that are mostly nerds and normal? And no one dies? Of course... but a gay kid having his feelings reciprocated by the love of his life is unrealistic
When it took like 5 minutes to kill Vecna, I thought the Mind Flayer was going to shift primary hosts to Will, but no, that would've been too interesting probably
So did the government just⦠let them go?
What do you think are the reasons behind Billy's lashing out on Max and his overall negative behaviour towards her? Could we say he was ever honestly protective towards her or just wanted to be the one in control? For example, he decides with whom Max should and shouldn't hang out, but yet insisted she's not his sister and he doesn't really care about her. Before they moved to Indiana, he broke one of her male friends arm. He had a similar approach towards Lucas, but many people say in his case it was racially motivated. What are your thoughts and interpretation on the scene where Billy confronts her for the first time because of him in his car vs Billy threatening her male friends back in California?
Survival.
Let me set the scene for you.
Billy is 17 years old. He has his own car. He is one year away from freedom. At 18, he can graduate and move out. His dad has had him under his control for years after his mother, who he witnessed his father abusing, left him alone in his "care." What Neil did to her, he does to him.
Then. Neil starts dating a woman who is easily manipulated by bad men - Max's mom. He waits until they're in a committed relationship before he even introduces Billy. Now, Billy has to navigate being the abused child and two more potential victims of Neil - Max and her mother.
But! Neil can't hurt Max without alienating her mother. He doesn't have enough control established over them yet. So, he makes Billy responsible for Max which gives Neil the opportunity to not only punish Billy if he messes up but divide Billy and Max to make it easier to control both of them.
This is how abusers operate. They isolate their victims and make it harder for them to find support and resources. But, Billy and Max and his new wife Susan still have a foothold in California that could jeopardize this. So what does he do? Of course, he plans to uproot them as far away as possible.
Neil picks up the family in Billy's senior year of high school and moves them to Indiana. Billy no longer has friends. He can no longer enjoy his surfing and swimming regularly. He has to drive over 24 hours, likely spending his own money to get to Indiana where all of his things are.
Billy is now much farther away from his mother.
Billy is neither protective of Max, nor does he desire to control her. Neil wants Billy to control her. We see this when Billy defends Max's ability to take care of herself, his warnings about and to Lucas about her relationship with him, and the way Neil literally beats him for not watching her.
Re: The Broken Arm - none of Runaway Max is actually canon to the series, but it may be used to inform their characterization. Billy is like an abused dog, lashing out at everyone - blowing off steam. While his actions are serious, I don't think his motivations are that complex.
Billy is angry. Billy lacks control in his own life. Billy exerts what power and control he does have over others to feel better. This is bad. However, it's also short lived and Billy doesn't make a habit of doing this once the fight at the house is over and they've settled in Hawkins.
The fight at the house is an acute issue, rather than a chronic one. Billy is threatened into bringing Max home. Billy has to forgo his date to find her, which he does at a random house deep in the woods with a bunch of boys. That's weird, and also bad for him who is tasked with keeping Max safe.
I don't discount the racist aspect of Billy targeting Lucas at all, but this is also not without context. We know Neil is a bigot. Not only could Billy internalize this despite having friends who aren't white, but he could view Lucas as another complication in his efforts to keep Neil satisfied.
Billy gets a summer job after high school, presumably saving up money to leave. He teaches swimming lessons to children. He is liked enough by his peers and coworkers. He's still brash, but he's no where near as raw and on edge as before. He really has a chance to make it out of Hawkins.
Until he gets preyed on, assaulted, possessed, and killed. Billy was always playing a losing game. Neil would not let him be free, and when he had the chance at freedom - to live in a context in which he could not only heal but be a better person - it was violently ripped from him.
It is very easy to understand why he can't stand Max when we understand what Billy has gone through and none of it is because Max did anything wrong. She didn't. She was an obstacle for him, though, in his efforts to survive and Neil intentionally made it impossible for them to truly bond.
Just hopping in here to point out that Vecna/Henry flat out confirmed that Billy Hargrove was able to do what he couldn't. Henry stated that he could have made a different choice but he chose to be a horrible person hell-bent on destroying the world. Meanwhile, Billy fought against the mind flayer's control and sacrificed his life to save El, someone he doesn't even know.
Just saying.
on the bright side, the postcanon fics that come out of this will be better than anything the duffers could have done
will byers i am so sorry your writers didnāt understand or deserve you
jancy is over but jargyle is so back š god imagine jonathan goes back to visit/live in cali in the epilogue
They actually killed her. They fucking killed Jane Hopper and her sister. Young abused girls who never got to become full-fledged, healed young women.
And they had the gall to self-insert with Mike and say, āHey guysāimagine an ending where she didnāt die! Imagine an ending where she was finally free after a lifetime of being imprisoned and in hiding!ā Oh, but even in this hypothetical āgoodā ending, her brown sister still dies. Of course.
They very lazily resolved Janeās fear that she was a monster, and then had her call the next generation of innocent abused children like her āmore monstersā which was entirely out of character.
The children who did get their happy ending were ānormalā and shoe-horned into the final season.
We talk about the Will Byers humiliation ritual⦠what about the Jane Hopper humiliation ritual?
After a fight in which her boyfriend triggered memories of her abuser (while too busy focussing on his ārelationshipā problems with his platonic bestie) he brings her cold eggos and refuses to apologise for not being supportive of her struggles. He makes it about him. He calls her ridiculous. She begs for him to verbalise his affection for herāwrite it evenāand is then thrown into another prison where she is re-traumatised by her abuser, only for said boyfriend to chauffeur her away after days of homoromantic heart to hearts with his best friend.
They had her wear a fucking collar. Her abuser was the one to unlock it. They didnāt even let her remove her own literal and metaphorical shackles.
Mike professes to her while kneeling at a fucking pizza dough freezer as sheās being choked out. No eye contact. No intimacy. Because his gay best friend reminded him to. She never even gets to respond to this monologue in the canon series, because I guess her feelings donāt actually matter.
Even in her final moments before death, her character was reduced to her love story with the boy who found her in the woods and kept her in his basement. And he still couldnāt say āI love youā back for some reason.
She was never free. She went from being trapped in the lab, to being hidden in Mikeās basement, to being hidden in Hopperās cabin. She got in trouble and yelled at for leaving these confined spaces and doing normal teenage things. The only exception was when she made herself useful to them by using her powers, endangering herself, and often to the point of physical exhaustion.
Her father figure supposedly learned to allow her more freedom at the end of season 3, but he returns to being over-protective, angry and condescending at the beginning of season 5, undoing all character development.
And weāre expected to thank these men for ātaking care of herā all these years, when everything she ever accomplished was no thanks to them but to her own merit, her own desire to do good, her own zest for a life and freedom she never got to have.
Was she⦠really just used as a tool to help Hopper process his daughterās death? Was she used as plot armour to ensure our characters could survive the supernatural antagonists? Was she used to give Mike Wheeler something to do other than play games in his basement?
Iām going to throw up. Jane Hopper Iām so sorry. Millie Bobby Brown Iām so sorry.
A love letter to all the abuse victims in stranger things,
I want to start this off with saying, I relate to Billy Hargrove and Max Mayfield in ways most people will never understand. My father was cruel to me and my little sister from a very young age, and he put us against each other time after time. I hated my little sister, because of him. I envied her and I was jealous of her, while also protecting her. He forced us into this toxic relationship, and caused us to have a lot of trauma that I will never heal from. I regret a lot of things and I cannot take back how I reacted to a lot of my abuse. But I was able to grow, and I was able to change. I am still angry, I still lash out, I am not a perfect victim. But me and my sister no longer hate each other, and we are closer than we have ever been.
The Duffer brothers clearly do not know how to write abuse victims, they put them into a box and categorize them based on what they think a perfect victim is. They have put stereotypes into place that are harmful, and have caused me a lot of pain. Seeing Billy basically kill himself and then get sh*t on the last 2 seasons has put me into a spiral of self doubt. It is so hurtful. If they had any of the courage that I had, then Billy would still be alive. I held out hope, that they would do something to show that Billy was just a child. That he was a product of his environment, and given time and love he couldāve grown. He couldāve grown, like how iāve grown. He couldāve forgiven himself, and Max. He couldāve been a better person, a better brother. But instead they solidified these stereotypes, with yet another abuse victim killing themselves. They have made this narrative that the only way out of the cycle is to die, and that is unforgivable.
I will always love Jane Hopper, I will always love Billy Hargrove. And I hope one day we will get the recognition we deserve. Not all victims are perfect and they donāt have to die to end the cycle of abuse.
Sincerely,
An imperfect, rage filled, jealous, regretful, angry victim.
Yeah yeah yeah the finale sucked. I figured it would. Anyways, fanfic writers, you have 3 business days to fill my timeline with y'all abusing the new information of Steve's canonically big dick.
Ok go!
the steve and dustin arc was really well done in my opinion - we get dustin being an ass to steve for a good thirty something minutes before we hit a breaking point where neither of them can do it anymore and dustin swings and steve doesn't fight back. he throws dustin off, sure, but he doesn't throw a punch, doesn't initiate anything, and we know he's not someone who backs down from a fight. he calls "henderson," "henderson," until he hits a point where he's more worried than angry and switches to "dustin" and then we don't get a resolution there. we get dustin stewing and steve frustrated and nothing gets fixed right away. and then! we get dustin being open with his feelings and we get a touching moment and then we get to see them afterwards. we get to see steve not only accept dustin's apology but to apologize for his own actions as well. we get to see them call each other their best friends - a title we know dustin has sometimes had issues with in the past, a title we know dustin has never really felt like he had. and it's so well done and i'm so glad that the writing for both of their characters did them justice