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Hi it's me Chamberlain anon, thank you for your response, very interesting, I will probably watch Gettysburg (1993) now. As for how I got in your house... I'm not really sure myself, I just kinda show up places, I am a MASH enjoyer so maybe that explains it.
OMG Hi again anon!!!
First let me be very clear that you're welcome always in my house, I was just surprised to have company!! I'll make cookies next time!
Second omg you like MASH. If you ever wanna talk in dms please don't ever hesitate I'd love to chat more with you about the Chamberlains and/or MASH.
Third!!! Okay so let me prepare you- Gettysburg is a very long movie. Like over 4 hours. And it's very 90s in some ways andddd a number of historians have some valid gripes about it. Because the thing about Gettysburg is- it's an adaptation of "The Killer Angels" novel, and it's an incredibly faithful adaptation of that novel (you could genuinely follow along with the book), but it's an ultimately a fictitious portrayal of the battle of Gettysburg. I do believe that the people involved in the making of the movie did their best to make as much they could as historically accurate as possible (and can be quite dry and slow in places to try and achieve that), but there's a lot that gets glossed over. And I mean a lot, more than I can fit in one text post a lot.
(Putting another read more because this is getting long, but I won't keep you too long I promise.)
So like important figures like Gouverneur Warren, Strong Vincent, Winfield Scott Hancock, Dan Sickles, and hell even George Meade, recently appointed commander of the Army of the Potomac, barely get the screen time they deserve. The 20th Maine takes a lot of precedence over many of the other United States units seen in the movie, and the movie seems to imply it was their actions specifically that saved the day at Little Round Top on July 2, 1863, when it's much much bigger than them. But at the same time I won't downplay their participation because they pulled off a truly impressive maneuver while being outnumbered and I do believe they were a crucial part of the success there, but it's not just their story that made that success, if that makes sense? But there were so many other units that were immortalized after Gettysburg that don't receive the credit they deserve in the movie. The movie also doesn't spend a lot of time addressing slavery, and I feel like it water's the cause of the war down to the "States rights" myth in more than one place. Joshua L. Chamberlain does have some pretty good lines addressing slavery, though, but I wish the movie as a whole had taken a stronger stance. (Or at least not have had confederate general James Longstreet say that "[the south] should have freed the slaves before firing on Fort Sumter." What a stupid line.)
Basically I'm saying take Gettysburg (93) with a grain of salt- it's far from perfect, but it has greatly influenced the way a lot of modern audiences look at and understand the battle of Gettysburg (another reason why a number of historians are annoyed with the movie), so you can definitely watch it through that historiographical lens and gain some important info that way! I do genuinely enjoy the movie though, and I have my critiques because I do enjoy it and it was one of my jumping boards into studying the US Civil War, so it does have a place in my heart. I've also seen it enough times and have discussed it with friends who are far smarter than me about their takes on it, and so my opinion has been shaped through them as well.
And if you're not especially big on the civil war, I apologize if I've turned you off about watching it. I do think it's a movie worth viewing at least once. And if you're interested at all in the Chamberlain's, I will say Jeff Daniels makes a wonderful performance as Joshua Lawrence and he will do you proud. C. Thomas Howell as Tom is also very entertaining and endearing.
Just promise me one thing anon. No matter what you do or what you hear from anyone- do not, do not watch the prequel "Gods and Generals". The book is pretty good imo, but the movie is almost entirely filled with lost cause ideology, neoconfederate propaganda, and is incredibly boring on top of it all. If there's 4 hours of your life you don't want to waste on something, it's that. Please heed that warning.
Okay with that I'll let you go finally. Sorry once again for rambling😭😭😭
I wonder how strange I look to the ... one or two Mainers I know within the MASH fandom that follow me.... hi guys I'm a big fan of your former governor
I'm still thinking about that Chamberlain anon ask..... who was that masked man..... how did they find me after years of mashposting.... how'd they get in my house.... come back to me, whoever you are
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Bard, can you (or anyone) explain why the Chamberlains are so beloved on this here hellsite? I'm fascinated, not critical, and eager to better understand the world.
Hey! That's a great question, and I'll admit I've not been posting much on historyblr for a while so I may not be the most qualified with regards to the current metrics of people posting about the Chamberlains, but I'll do my best to answer!
The short answer is I think it's mostly because of the movie "Gettysburg" alongside the Michael and Jeff Shaara civil war trilogy. That's how I was introduced to Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, myself, and while neither the movie nor "The Killer Angels" were featured in my school's curriculum, I understand that some APUSH classes still read the book and/or watch the movie.
(Longer answer below)
As far as why the Chamberlains, which I'm realizing now is probably what you actually meant, well.... following through with the Gettyburg movie/Shaara trilogy theory- and forgive me, but I'm obviously biased- I feel like Lawrence and Tom are two of the most likeable characters in the movie (and that along with Hancock and Armistead, Chamberlain has one of the more compelling story arcs imo) and that they also rank pretty highly in likeability in the novels as well.
The Shaara's portray Lawrence as a quietly intelligent professor turned soldier/commander, who's thoughtful, humble, poetic, and idealistic at times; he's got clear reasons for why he's fighting and while he's out of his element at the start, he proves to be a fast learner and an adept leader. Tom is his roguish little brother that is still naive in some ways and often is up to/saying something funny, while Lawrence looks out for him and keeps him in check. They have some interesting contrasts and make a fun dynamic that I feel appeals to people when they either watch the movie or read the series. (Also not to mention the fact that the 20th Maine's actions at Little Round Top are genuinely very cool and impressive to learn about, especially to new students of the civil war- I mean, who doesn't love a "beating the odd's" type of story?? I feel like that makes people attached to the regiment and individuals like the Chamberlains too.)
As far as the Chamberlain's beyond Ron Maxwell's and Michael and Jeff Shaara's interpretation's? That's trickier, because I feel like most posting with the Chamberlain's that I've seen has ultimately been related to the movie and books and their portrayals, as I've said. I've not seen as much posting or discussion from biographies as of late. (I could be wrong! Like I said I've not been on that side of tumblr in a while, and I invite anyone to correct or discuss that with me.) I could definitely go into more depth about why they're so beloved to me, if you'd want. Otherwise, I hope this is a good answer and I apologize for how much I rambled.
(Also so sorry- quick addendum: to explain like memes and fanart you might have seen of the Chamberlains- to a degree, I believe they've been fandomized a bit on here (I'm guilty of it myself) where like they're viewed more as characters in a story in favor of real people that lived 100+ years ago. And it's true in a way- their life stories have been ultimately fictionalized via Gettysburg and the Shaara's works. As a result, and since I think people enjoy their portrayals through these works, there have been people nowadays that continue to treat them as characters and create art/writing/and other transformative works featuring them as such that continues to treat them as borderline fictional characters. It happens with a lot of other historically based media- Band of Brothers, Glory, Hamilton, AMC's Turn, and The Terror all come to mind as other media where I've seen this happen. I'm not condemning it necessarily btw, but I hope this also helps answer your question!)
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