""oh noo i so scawed that da eeeviw wibewaws* wiww take away my guuns 🥺🥺""
Your consistutional right my ass. No one wants your fucking hunting rifle. If you wanna kill shit thats your business. But there is no reason for a civilian** to own a fucking assault-style weapon. Your consistutional right has killed thousands.
*liberal politics have many flaws but at the present moment i will ally myself with people who actually care whether or not mt school gets shot up
**being a non-civilian is not an excuse to commit war crimes, im just saying that theres a significantly less amount of west-triggered war in suburban kentucky
You will be interested to hear, handguns are used in more homicides than all long guns, including AR-15s, hunting rifles, AK-pattern rifles, shotguns, etc.
With this in mind, do you believe the state should ban handguns, instead?
Im not an idiot. I know that banning literal weapons of war isnt gonna stop homicide. Banning all guns isn't gonna stop homicide. Wrapping everyone in bubble wrap isnt gonna stop homicide. Im not trying to stop all homicide ever. But a murderer with a weapon that fires 12 bullets a minute rather than 12,000 is going to do a lot less damage.
Also, where in there did i say shit about hunting rifles or shotguns? While id prefer not to be faced with the latter ends, I have no issues with manual guns.
My apologies, i mistyped. Its 1,200 bullets a minute. Certainly less than 12000. I do however hope we can agree that 100 times deadlier is a far cry from sane
You are still wrong. No semi automatic rifle has a rate of 1,200 rounds per minute. Select fire and fully automatic weapons are not legal to own, and only used by the military. Military automatic weapons are around 600-700. A semi automatic rifle can do like 45-60 a minute. These are things you can just google or watch videos about.
it’s harder to get a fishing license than it is to stockpile guns. it’s harder to get a fucking bank loan than it is to buy a rifle. it is harder to change your goddamn mailing address than it is to hoard weapons of mass domestic destruction.
it is easier to walk into an elementary school, and shoot children dead, than it is to steal from Goodwill.
it is easier for someone to slaughter grade-schoolers in their classrooms, than it is to have an abortion.
stop letting living children die while you scream and stomp about children who don’t even exist yet being more important to protect.
It took me between 6-8 months to get a license to own a “low capacity” rifle. Which included a training course I had to go to twice a week for a month, and a bunch of other background check/pysch history check ect kind of stuff. Nothing you mentioned is this intensive. In fact it was significantly easier to get a drivers license than a firearms license.
So no, your argument is entirely invalid.
And beyond that it’s irrelevant and a false comparison to even compare any of these unlike things.
There is also no statistical relationship between gun control and homicide rate or mass shooting rates so all that you support here is violating human rights.
Evidence shows that the number of death by firearms in any given population correlates directly to the number of guns owned within the same population. x
Australia is a country who had taken a step forward in gun control, and firearm homicide rates dropped by 59% as well as suicide rates, which dropped by 65%. This proves that yes, gun control does work. Gun control makes a population safer rather than unsafe.
Evidence shows that the number of death by firearms in any given population correlates directly to the number of guns owned within the same population. x
Australia is a country who had taken a step forward in gun control, and firearm homicide rates dropped by 59% as well as suicide rates, which dropped by 65%. This proves that yes, gun control does work. Gun control makes a population safer rather than unsafe.
People aren’t trying to take away my guns. They are trying to inject some freaking common sense into the equation.
“I’m a gun owner. I have two pistols, a rifle, a shotgun…and a (now-expired) concealed carry permit. I’ve been shooting since I was a kid.
I also support every single gun control measure out there.
Why? Well, because of a number of logical reasons:
1. I go to gun shows, and I’ve witnessed more illegal cash sales than I can count. People bring guns to sell to dealers at the show and end up selling them to buyers in the parking lot who are willing to pay cash. No background check, no bill of sale, no formal transfer of ownership. Yes, this is happening, people! It is a regular occurrence and illegal in many states.
2. Every time I go to the gun range, I witness someone doing something extremely dangerous with a gun.
I’ve been swept more than 20 times — this means someone has unintentionally pointed a gun at me. I’ve seen the wrong ammo used (ask my husband about the time he almost lost an eye). I’ve watched people shooting guns that they lack experience with or ones that they can’t handle (take, for example, a child or a smaller adult shooting a Desert Eagle semiautomatic handgun), causing kickback that can injure them and cause them to flail their loaded gun in all directions. I’ve seen guns jam, and people continue to fire them to “clear the jam.” I’ve seen people continue to fire when the range is “cold.” All of these people consider themselves “responsible” gun owners. Nope. And these aren’t exceptions to the rule — every single time I go to the range, I see someone doing something reckless and potentially deadly.
3. I’ve seen people handle guns when they are drunk, tired, hungover, or angry. I would never think of doing these things. It is irresponsible, and again, potentially deadly.
4. A friend of my college boyfriend pointed a loaded gun in my face because he wanted to show me how cool his new toy was. I dropped to the ground. He forgot it was loaded. He’s a high-ranking officer in the U.S. Navy.
5. The class you take to get a concealed carry permit in North Carolina is easy to pass. You sit through a two-day class, take a simple written test, get a background check and fingerprints through the sheriff’s office, and basically just have to prove that you can hit the broad side of a barn. That’s it.
6. The “hero mentality” is misguided and dangerous. Unless you have combat training, the “good guy/gal with a gun” is more likely to kill another civilian or get mistaken by cops as the shooter. I’m a decent shot with a pistol. I’m a great shot with my rifle. But in a life or death situation, where people are literally being murdered in front of me, it’s completely unrealistic to think that, even with all my training, I could do anything but add to the chaos.
7. The NRA is a terrorist organization. Yup, I said it. I used to be a member because they gave discounts on shooting-range time. I quit after one year because I couldn’t stomach the thought that my money was funding them. Their magazine and mailers are filled with propaganda about people coming to take my guns when there is absolutely zero evidence at all to suggest that is ever going to happen. Their recent ads make me sick and ashamed that I ever supported them.
8. The home protection argument makes sense to me on some level. I had a friend who was killed during a home invasion, so I get it. But an AK-47 (and other assault weapons) is not an ideal weapon for personal defense, and it serves no purpose for “home protection.” It was designed for military use. A a 12-gauge shotgun is a better, more realistic choice for home defense. I’ve never seen any peer-reviewed study/expert/article anywhere that can refute this. Bottom line: Assault-style weapons should never be in the hands of civilians. Period. And going back to point No. 7, in a home-protection or self-defense situation, you’re still more likely to injure yourself or have your own gun used against you.
These are my thoughts on the subject as an experienced, licensed, and trained gun owner. I’m already a member of the Brady Campaign, Everytown for Gun Safety, and will be joining Moms Demand Action. I find it impossible to understand why other gun owners like myself don’t support these groups. They aren’t trying to take away my guns; they are trying to inject some freaking common sense into the equation — something we desperately need and that every gun owner should support.“
if you cannot argue these points you cant oppose gun control
the number one beef i have with people who flip out about gun control laws is they immediately say ‘responsible law abiding gun owners like me’ as being unjustly held accountable- well then you should have no trouble with laws you are already complying with, either you are responsible or not
its like if i as a parent am upset with new laws that require me to feed my children, bathe them, and not beat them- and then justify my anger in that ‘im a good parent’ well if i was a good parent i wouldnt be upset with a law saying they will check i feed my damned kids just like gun laws that just check you are competent enough to be trusted with the insta-death boomstick so many drunk hillbillies wave around like a little girl waving a plastic fairy wand
This, so perfectly this. The gun control laws we want are ones that just reinforce the ones that already exist. We want to ban guns whose only use is to cut human beings in half with multiple bullets, and nothing that is actually used for personal defense, small-arms military use, and hunting. NO ONE SANE needs a a submachine gun to goddamn HUNT. If you disagree with that–if you truly, completely, to the deepest parts of your being, believe that the only way you can bag that eight-point buck is with an AK-47…then you are a BAD HUNTER and you are PART OF THE PROBLEM.
A submachine gun is a pistol caliber in a rifle length. No hunter would try to hunt with one. It is cruel and unnecessary.
The AK and AR rounds are good for hunting, home defense, and fun. Having one rifle for all 3 things is monetarily convenient.
As for #6, news outlets are uninterested in covering stories of concealed carriers saving the day. Recently in texas at a back to school event at a park, two men engaged in a civil dispute and one shot at the other man. A concealed weapon carrier shot the first man, and no others were harmed.
Even as a supporter of gun rights, I think 3D printed guns are a stupid fucking idea and dangerous. We should not be supporting anything that makes it easier for violent felons to get a hold of dangerous weapons.
I generally disagree; the capacity to manufacture (even better) firearms is available to anyone with a public library or a internet connection and a nearby home depot. The cost is actually lower, and the result is generally better.
This is an issue of free speech and what is allowed to be said online. Sharing and distributing designs for weapons, firearms, and firearms accessories should be unilaterally allowed; restricting access to these things only gives more power of control over rights to the parties who would take guns away if they had the chance.
Manuals on the mechanical principles of firearms, their means of manufacture, and the tools with which to manufacture them have always been available to every person, almost every person on the planet, but certainly every person in the developed world.
Compare a single shot, frankly under-powered and delicate firearm that costs over $300 to manufacture (the first time, anyway) which requires technical knowledge and extensive (and fiddly) set up of a expensive power tool, to a single-shot firearm capable of firing a 12ga slug which costs MAYBE $45 to manufacture in it’s entirety, tools included, and can be done in an afternoon, by anyone with two hands and who can follow basic written instructions. The latter can even be done without any electricity, internet connection, infrastructure, and even in the presence of armed guards in a prison (which has occurred before).
The release of Additive Manufacturing Tools has not significantly effected the capacity of an individual to produce a working firearm, even in bulk, compared to other tools of similar cost (with a $300 drill press set you could crank out fully automatic SMGs at a decent rate).
Note, many libraries (public libraries) have books like the above, and have had them since almost forever. Usenet was sharing firearm designs back nearly at it’s inception.
What I mean to say is that what you are arguing against has been occurring for decades, with no great ill effect; and speaking as a person who has worked on and with 3D printers, I can confidently say, they offer little in terms of sudden paradigm shifts in almost all situations related to firearms and firearm manufacturing.
Yeah, because it’s totally practical to use a bolt action rifle from 100 years ago to defend your self in the event that someone breaks into your house.
Why are you focused on attacking people who are the victims of crimes and not going after the aggressor?
This is why anti-gun people can’t be trusted in any capacity. They don’t have innocent people’s best interest in mind.
I wake up to a crash of a window braking down on the other end of the house. My hearts racing I can feel it hitting my sternum. And then in a moment of clarity i look to me right and see it. “It’s on boys!”
You indeed shouldn’t be scared to leave your house or go to school in fear you’d be shot. It’s, statistically, incredibly unlikely to happen, making it a very irrational fear.
If you’re not part of a criminal gang, you should be more wary of bad drivers, sugary beverages, pools, ladders, opiates and/or suicidal thoughts.
No one in his or her right mind supports gun control, because it had, has and never will have no positive impact on crime and violence anywhere.
By the way, do you know what is under Taylor Swift’s bodyguards untucked shirts ? I give you a hint : not lollypops.
“In all three experiments using a more externally valid research method than previous studies, we found that participants took longer to shoot Black suspects than White or Hispanic” suspects. In addition, where errors were made, participants across experiments were more likely to shoot unarmed White suspects than unarmed Black or Hispanic suspects, and were more likely to fail to shoot armed Black suspects than armed White or Hispanic suspects. "
“The paper for the National Bureau of Economic Research, which examined thousands of incidents at 10 large police departments in California, Florida and Texas, concluded that police were no more likely to shoot non-whites than whites after factoring in extenuating circumstances.”
>White people with guns are not murdered by police. They are given all the time in the world.
I’m sure Daniel Shaver and Dylan Noble would be shocked to learn that.
Incidentally, here’s the pellet gun - not a toy gun - Tamir Rice was carrying.
Good luck figuring out which one is the real gun in a second or two from a moving vehicle, with the fake gun in someone’s waistband.
OP’s logic is like saying a baker can’t be fooled by a fake cake. Except they were vague, so it’s more like saying a baker can’t mistake anything for a baked good.
Logically, if even the expert can’t tell the difference, maybe it’s not actually their fault?
If you read the thread, it’s clear she doesn’t actually know much about what police work actually entails.
She’s vagueposting about the Saheed Vassell shooting in NYC, and carefully ignoring the part where he was a mentally ill man who was pointed a pipe at people like he was holding a gun and even pointed it at the cops.
And, for the sake of comparison, here’s a Ruger 22.
Now imagine someone waving that pipe around, so you can’t get a good look at it.
Like Dylan Noble, it’s entirely possible he was trying to commit suicide by cop. All she’s doing is moving the goalposts.
Brett Kavanaugh, Supreme Court Nominee. “In Heller,“ Kavanaugh noted, “the Supreme Court held that handguns-the vast majority of which today are semi-automatic-are constitutionally protected because they have not traditionally been banned and are in common use by law-abiding citizens. There is no meaningful or persuasive constitutional distinction between semi-automatic handguns and semi-automatic rifles. Semi-automatic rifles, like semi-automatic handguns, have not traditionally been banned and are in common use by law-abiding citizens for self-defense in the home, hunting, and other lawful uses. Moreover, semi-automatic handguns are used in connection with violent crimes far more than semi-automatic rifles are. It follows from Heller’s protection of semi-automatic handguns that semi-automatic rifles are also constitutionally protected and that D.C.’s ban on them is unconstitutional.” #snowflakesaremelting #liberalismisamentaldisorder
#notjustagun #justkidslives #justinnocentlives #justblacklives #lgbtlives Because the mass school shootings, Orlando Night Club Shooting, the Las Vegas Massacre. ffs.
Okay, I’m going to paint you a story. Imagine being a small 5’2” unathletic girl that wants nothing more in the world to be nice and pretty and perfect. Imagine being sexually assaulted and stalked by a boy three years my senior that didn’t get that no meant no and strong-armed his way into your life over and over again. Imagine him stalking you and trying to emotionally manipulate you into sleeping with him. Imagine him being more intense when he learns you prefer girls. Imagine on top of this you’re now moving into a small apartment with two other weak ass girls in an area with heavy drug problems. A complex that has had issues with junkies breaking in before. Imagine knowing that if this stalker that you hope and pray you got rid of finally, because he hasn’t done anything to get arrested yet, that pepper spray or a knife won’t stop him, because he told you in-depth that he enjoys pain like that and that he gets off on it. Imagine taking class after class after class to know the rules of safe gun handling inside and out and pray to god that you’ll never ever have to take your gun out for anything other than to practice at the range.Imagine wishing that I could live in a world that I could give up my gun, but also knowing that it might be my only line of defense against a man I know would have no problem raping me if given the chance. So yes Gun can do horrible things, and I cry for every last person that dies by a gun used in anything else but in self-defense. But I can’t give up my gun knowing that it might be the only thing that stands in the way of my rapist and I or a junkie so high that he wouldn’t even think about killing a small girl so he can ransack her place.
I’m all for heavier regulations and think control is a strong point of owning a gun, but I can’t give up my gun without feeling like my life, and those of my roommates are at risk.
Oh and because you want to throw things in my face that I already know, I’ll throw a few in yours that you might not.
The leading cause of death by gun is Suicide, mostly male suicide but it still outnumbers the number of homicides committed by guns X X X X
In countries that guns have been outlawed or extremely heavily regulated, China being the worst, mass knife attacks have become popular. They cause serious damage too, so maybe guns aren’t the only issue at play. X X X
Oh, and guns aren’t a segregated product. Minorities and LGBT+ members are allowed to own guns too, and a lot do for protection if you actually looked at the post with the #notjustagun you would have seen a trans man was pictured citing he wanted to protect himself from transphobic attacks, a black man was pictured citing that he wasn’t going to trust the police to keep him safe, a girl that appears to be Hispanic agrees with me and says Pepper spray isn't always enough.
Here are some more pictures of minority gun owners for you
Gay gun rights group^
Trans women turning to guns to protect themselves X^
Another trans woman who believes guns are a right to defend yourself X ^
TL:DR- Guns are a tool that can be used to cause tragedy or help someone survive another day. I can’t give up my gun without serious risk factors. I have trained and trained and done countless classes to make sure I know how to properly and safely use a gun for self-defense only, I don’t care how many background checks and hoops I have to jump through, and I’m not the only one who thinks the same way. Many LGBT members and minorities feel the same way I do.
To my non-American friends: this is the reality of going to school in the United States in 2018.
I started college today, and the very first thing we did in my very first class was not sitting around introducing ourselves, or getting an overview of what the course would involve this semester.
It was watching a ten-minute training video on what to do if an active shooter comes on campus. The SELF method, they called it – Survey, Evacuate, Lock-down, Fight-back.
Think about that for a second: my very first college lesson was on how to escape from a building, how to barricade a classroom in the event that evacuation isn’t an option, and how to distract/subdue a shooter in the event that you can’t even lock-down in time.
I’d argue that it’s born more of hysteria than of statistical likelihood.
Consider it like this; if a school didn’t have training seminars or the like, in the wake of a shooting (or series of copycat shootings, themselves fueled by the media frenzy), the parents and students would likely put serious pressure on the school to make those things happen.
So, school funding will have to be allocated to these sort of things almost preemptively to avoid receiving backlash from students and parents driven into a corner by something that is statistically speaking, is incredibly unlikely, taking that funding away from other places it could be used.
Until 2015, we had a marked trend for 20 years regarding gun violence. Every year gun violence went down by 100-300 deaths, per year. It only went up after a surge in political violence and a surge in social acceptance of political violence, and even then, the statistical likelihood of being killed by gunfire in the US is very low (like, hundredths of a percent low), not even including mass shootings, which are a minuscule fraction of even that percent of a percent.
Not to say we don’t have a violence problem in the US; we absolutely do, but it’s nowhere near as apocalyptic as it’s made to seem. It’s a surmountable problem we can very readily fix without enforcing massive police action, I would argue.
I heard someone refer to “the gun climate” today, and I just want to share some facts:
From 1993-2010, homicide by guns dropped a staggering 49%, and dropped slightly since 2010.
This is despite the number of guns rising by 64% in the same time frame.
In a list of the top 10 American cities with the highest gun murder rates, 9 of them are cities that vote Democrat and 8 of them are cities with some of the most strict gun control.
Even in red states, the majority of murders tend to take place in blue counties. Now, there have been fake gun homicide maps next to fake electoral maps. So, I’ll show you the real maps and you can decide for yourself:
2016 Electoral Map (From Brilliant Maps):
Map of Homicide in the United States (From the Crime Prevention Research Center):
So, by all means, draw your own conclusions. The similarities are stark, though. Logically, this data shows us two logical conclusions:
This is not a republican issue. The areas with the highest gun control regulations happen to be the areas with the highest rates violent crime, including gun homicide. You’ll also find that the map shown is a complete contradiction of maps of gun ownership. Areas with the highest rates of legal gun ownership also tend to have very low or nonexistent rates of gun crime. Don’t trust me, check the data. Legal gun owners, in a general sense, are not a problem.
Gun are not the problem. Even with a steadily increasing number of legal firearms owned by law-abiding citizens, the homicide rate is the lowest it has been since 1963. Law abiding citizens owning firearms, of any type, are not a threat to the safety of law abiding children. They are not a threat to school children. My owning guns is not a threat to my neighbors who want them gone.
The fear-mongering media has pushed an agenda, telling you that guns are bad and should be gone. But the data shows that guns in this nation are not a problem. So why don’t we focus on the real issues? Let’s focus on gang and inner city violence. As the maps I’ve shared show, the areas of focus tend to be hotbeds for these activities. Let’s focus on SSRI medications that have proven time and again to have paradoxical effects. I would love to see comprehensive studies that might show a correlation between SSRI medications and both homicide and suicide. Let’s focus on why the violence happen, not how.
Because, like I said, the data shows that guns are not the problem.
I read somewhere that the reason the AR isn't a military weapon is because it's basically a pea-shooter compared to what soldiers actually use. But idiots seem to think rapid fire = automatic and burst fire = semi-automatic. When that isn't what those terms mean at all. And lord forbid it doesn't come with a wooden stock, as if that makes a difference lol.
The AR-15 uses the same caliber as the M-16; NATO 5.56mm; or .223 Remington (for most cases, the same/similar chambering and pressure).
To be clear;
Automatic means the firearm performs the full cycle of operation (loading, locking, firing, unlocking, extracting, ejecting, repeat) repeatedly for as long as the trigger is held down.
Burst fire means it performs the cycle of operation more than once per trigger pull, up to a set amount.
Semi-automatic means it performs the cycle of operation once, no matter how long the trigger is pulled, per trigger pull. (Almost all handguns are of this type).
Manual means it does not perform the entire cycle of operation without external mechanical assistance or action. (Pump action, bolt action, etc).
Single-shot are essentially manual firearms where the unlocking, extraction, ejection, loading, and locking actions are required to be done by hand for each shot.
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