sometimes i remember carl from echo vn and get a little loopy thinking about how the game wants you to look at that and think of him as like a particularly fat guy
furries can't handle characters this fat they start treating them like fetish bait
everything about how he's portrayed is perfectly designed to piss me off. he's not even allowed to just look fat the game has to tell you he works out and is kinda buff too, as if you're not allowed to be attracted to his fatness but then they also (of course only jokingly) portray him as feeder bait. this guy informed my taste in furry media in that i think this fucking sucks
this is viewing carl as like, some symbolic representation of all fatness that could ever exist through the lens of a free indie furry horror visual novel. i think that's an uncharitable way to view the work. i don't think echo's writers were attempting to say something prejudicial by making carl a fat dude who works out.
i think fat people deserve better than Another self deprecating fat guy that's privy to a mockingly fetishizing gaze whilst having a body type that's decidedly still very average
i think carl's portrayal is fairly realistic, which fits echo's tone. again, i don't think the text is saying "carl is fat, and that is bad. he can only be hot if you qualify that statement." echo's not even a dating sim and carl's weight doesn't even really factor in to his story in comparison to his anxiety and low self-worth.
i can see how it might be disappointing that his fatness isn't touched upon in greater nuance, but i wouldn't say carl is ever fetishized in that way (isn't the fact that he has muscles only brought up once or twice?). echo isn't even a dating sim and all the sex scenes in it are portrayed to be jarring in some way, so this perspective is like expecting eddie in silent hill 2 to get sexualized more. it just doesn't really fit what echo is doing if it were to slam the brakes and go "carl is fat, unambiguously hot, and makes me ravenous".
like, i don't think echo's writers are perfect, but i think it's not fair to say they're being fatphobic when carl is a fairly nuanced and rounded character. not to mention chase can even make out with him at one point lol
tbh comparing him to eddie in silent hill 2 is really revealing actually holy shit. like that's what i'm saying, he's a fat guy whose fatness is portrayed as part of his self-deprecation. in carl's case, attraction to him is framed as fetishistic (he makes jokes about feedism, that's what i was talking about. not the muscles) and unserious and it's also framed as self-deprecating. but, attraction to him is framed as noticing his strength and muscles, the ways he still "takes care" of his body.
i don't think you fully understand what i mean when i say his portrayal is fatphobic. i think it feeds into larger, extremely narrow tropes about fat people. but i think you could understand what i mean if you dig further into eddie from silent hill 2. it's the way that fat characters, broadly, are rarely portrayed sympathetically unless their narratives revolve around their self-worth in a way that's implicitly or explicitly tied to their body or their eating habits. it's the wat that fat characters, broadly, are rarely portrayed as straightforwardly attractive unless they shape their bodies into something more normatively respectable.
he may be individually well written, that's not really the point. he still falls into what in my view are pretty fatphobic tropes. it's Another fat guy who's self-deprecating, it's Another fat guy who feels like he's only portrayed sympathetically cause he's not that fat, it's Another fat guy who's fatness is portrayed as attractive only as self-deprecating jokes about feedism, whose body is otherwise portrayed as attractive in the ways it's not fat. a work doesn't have to outright tell you that being fat makes you shit for it to still do fatphobia.
















