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[docwormie]

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CALLING ALL STARMANIA ENJOYERS

I don't know if this is going to find the right audience but I created a discord server for Starmania because I physically need to talk about it with people who understand my struggle ! This server is open to all, please feel free to join and discuss with us ! If you have art/writing/theories/any creation you want to share, this is the place to do it, I promise it will be nice to have a somewhat centralized place for that micro-fandom :) [Edit: don't hesitate to message me if the link doesn't work]

[monstrousgourmandizingcats]

Let's help Eleanor from The Haunting of Hill House win a popularity contest for once!

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[theblindassassin]

MADELAINE PETSCH as CHERYL BLOSSOM

RIVERDALE season 3 (2018-2019)

[eylih05]

The Black Council : Are sure she can be trusted?

The unbiased queen of nostalgia and yearning:

[docwormie]

she's not sorry at all btw

[alvsanne]

QUEEN ALICENT HIGHTOWER in House of the Dragon S03E01

[aingeal98]

Still rewatching Riverdale onto the midnight club episode and it's of course a wonderfully silly and fun hour of television but also goes fascinatingly hard on the recurring theme Riverdale loves which is that familial abuse is a key part of the American dream and incest is a key part of familial abuse. If you are a woman who wants the wealth and security and power of being in a successful American family you have to bow down to the patriarch and even sacrifice your daughters at the altar. There is no other way, not if you want to be like all the other rich and powerful families.

The fight between Hermione and Penelope where Penelope admits she was taken by the Blossom family to be groomed as both Cliffords sister and his wife and Hermione is the one who speaks up and calls it incest and tells Penelope to leave. And Penelope fires back that at least her mom's not cleaning toilets and Hermione's like ma'am you are literally a child bride. It's so good and there's such a tragic irony hanging over the whole scene because we know that not only will Penelope sacrifice her own daughter to the cycle, but Hermione will fall victim to it too. She'll choose to marry wealth and power, to try escape the racism and classism, and years later when she realises that she has sacrificed her daughter to the incestuous abuse cycle, she'll be too warped at that point to leave. She'll recognise that she is in direct competition with her daughter for her husband's love (hey what was that you said about child bride families being objectively worse to live in than poor families? Hermione do you remember that? Hermione please remember that oh god she can't hear us she's watching the real housewives) and instead of taking Veronica and running like she once suggested to Penelope, she'll be bitter and resentful of both her husband and her daughter. She is NOT breaking the cycle, that's Veronica and Cheryl's job. (Which they do and they kiss about it too. Incredible characters.)

Another excellent choice that adds to the theme is how the actors for the kids play their young parents. When Fred kisses Alice it's harmless, it's Betty and Archie kissing. When FP and Alice kiss its just Betty and Jughead. But then you get into the other relationships. The Blossoms of course being the loudest ones to State The Theme by having Clifford played by Jason aka Cheryl's brother. But also Veronica playing a young Hermione kissing Hiram and Betty as young Alice asking Hal out. Hiram and Hal who don't have modern day counterparts to play them. It's never been just the Blossoms trapped in this nightmare it's literally all of our main three girls. It's a concept that does what riverdale does best, take something hilarious and goofy as a premise and end the episode highlighting the deeply sinister undertones to it all.

And it's also an episode where they take drugs called fizzle rocks and hallucinate the gargoyle king. Truly a show that does it all.

[cordspaghetti]

strange guests at the great northern watch over me

[chocolateluma]

Maybe it's already been pointed out but I feel like the new show draws parallels between Cristal and Sadia.

Both come from "above" but meet Johnny in opposite ways: Sadia was already waiting for him at the Underground Café and walks up to him; Cristal walks down the stairs and enters his world. Also "Travesti" and "Besoin d'amour" show the duos on the stolen car and they both repeat a song ("Quand on arrive en ville" for Johnny and Sadia, then "Monopolis" for Johnny and Cristal).

I also noted that Sadia's silver party dress has the exact same pattern as Cristal's gold one, opposing them further.

[starmaniamania]

Oh! I never thought about the "reprise on a car" as a way to show parallels, but it brings up an interesting point in the lines they sing there:

With Sadia they're reprising the violent nihilism song, about doing stuff (violence) today bc you need to live life to the fullest as there is no tomorrow. The car there is a symbol of things falling apart (literally being dismantled and tagged as they're using it)

With Cristal, and despite the slight disconnect I always feel from the coup d'éclat/plus rien à perdre/Monopolis lyrics sequence, at the moment of Monopolis they're singing about a future together, and seem to be using the car as a getaway to that future (finally leaving the holding pattern of the hangar where you're safe but nothing happens, for the first time as far as we know, to go meet whatever is in the cards for them because they'll face it together.)

As for the bit of Sadia's silver dress that uses bits of the Cristal Monopolis dress fabric in silver, @braimee pointed it out to me recently and I had literally never paid attention lol To me it seems like too small a detail to be of real significance -- if the actual silhouette of the dress were similar, then sure, but it's just a little bit of the same fabric being used in a dress whose pattern is 100% Sadia's leather dress, made out of various sparkly fabrics instead.

For me, if it has significance at all it's a way to show that Sadia's is "back to the upper class" roots, using the kind of rich, textured, sparkly fabrics that all the upper society women use (whether it be Cristal or Stella), while Cristal has swapped her own sparkly dress for a somewhat drabber Etoile Noire ensemble (with added flair of course :p)

[chocolateluma]

When I first saw the silver dress I only noticed the shared "flowers" pattern with Cristal's dress but now that you pointed this out I'm shocked 😧

Honestly it's hard to see at first with the lights and shadows but I can't unsee it now. Congrats on finding that out. Is there anything common in costumes with Stella too?

The gold/silver opposition still holds. I also tought about how Sadia means the beginning of the Etoiles Noires, literally because they don't shine bright but Cristal is as first a literal (tv) star who does shine. It's kinda hard to articulate but I guess it has more to do with their roles as characters than anything.

[betharmon]

FINN and REY: The Star Wars Sequel Trilogy (2015-2019)

[pzyii]

if your best friend becomes venomous and grows fangs you just GOTTA perform experiments on/with her like come on. Don’t mind the fact it’s dehumanising, everyone dehumanises her she can’t tell the difference.

[katherinehoughtoncastle47]

CHICAGO (2002) dir Rob Marshall

[starmaniamania]

Shared Dec 21, 2023

[rhaenyratargeryen]

I am at last myself… with no ambition greater than to walk where I please and to breathe the open air. To die unremarked and unnoticed… and be free. You speak as if from a distant dream.

[trappedinthenarrative]

i love the way riverdale (the sentient haunted house town) traps people and punishes anyone who tries to leave. the magic barrier at the end of season 6 is that principle taken to the literal extreme -> you've always been trapped you can just see the walls now bitch!!!!

[trappedinthenarrative]

the town has always trapped people into cycles and roles but it only becomes sentient when jason blossom dies. the town knows that it has an audience now (us, the viewers) and so it casts everyone into immutable roles designed to produce the idyllic small town usa narrative. except it's not a beautiful dream to be trapped into eternal roles it's a horrible nightmare, so people try to leave or change and so the town has to punish them, which only makes them want to leave more. this plunges the story further and further into horror, the hungrier and angrier the town becomes as it's denizens rebel, producing ever more horrible events. plus the town has no morals, it's only just become sentient and it's first gratification is borne from death and murder so to chase that high the town keeps making murders. the town doesn't see murder as antithetical to it's american dream scenario so it just smashed them together like a little kid playing with dolls. which is all riverdale (the town) really is - a kid playing with toys to tell a story to it's friends (the audience) toys don't usually fight back so the kid gets upset when it's dolls don't play their part

[silverfinchs]

Laura and Donna

[starmaniamania]

Starmaweek Day 2: Naziland, Oct 10, 2024