Book Clive and movie Clive are two different characters

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Book Clive and movie Clive are two different characters
when i was a child for multiple halloweens in a row my costume of choice was āfancy ladyā who was a character i invented who looked like this
Realizing the way Iām going Iām following the same character beats as Mauriceā¦.
I relate to pre-repression clive durham not because of anything about his character or personality but because I, too, refuse to ever shut up about Tchaikovsky
me and maurice really went through that breakup together cause sometimes i remember how clive opened maurice's fucking world to love and then abandoned him and i get so upset but then i look at this picture of him and alec from the movie and all is well in the world
the 1987 adaptation of āmauriceā was great in most aspects honestly. changing clive from suddenly just falling out of love with maurice (and men overall) to instead showing his spiral after risley was convicted and adding that scene at the end (as much as it hurt) were honestly good additions.
i will however NEVER forgive them for adding that ominous music over the scene where alec climbed up the ladder and came into mauriceās room. it deadass made it look like he forced himself on maurice. WHY ?? in the books maurice calls ācome !ā into the dark and alec genuinely thought he was calling for him. he didnāt just come up the ladder like a creep and jump on him..
was it perfect? no. but it still means so much to me. the book is very special to me and the fact it got an adaptation in the 80s is incredible. iām very glad i watched the movie after reading the book as i could fill in some of the odd jumps in time with missing scenes from the book, i fear many wonāt enjoy it as much as i did without it.
basically what i wanna say is i highly recommend reading the book and then rewatching the movie if youāve already watched it and felt like something was missing !
What do these ships have in common? Surely, it's being queer men in early 20th century England, I hear you say
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Thinking about how out of Maurice and Clive, Clive is the one who mythologizes and clings to the Platonic ideal for how to express his romantic/sexual attraction to Maurice and what their relationship should manifest as. A philosophical, transcendent, intangible ideal that he imagines as a meeting of the minds beyond what feeling can put into words, much like how the idea of "romance" is mythologized today as some transcendental feeling "beyond" friendship that you can't describe, "you just know it when you know."
Meanwhile, Maurice is the one who describes what he is searching for as a friend, with all the earthiness of the word's Germanic roots, "someone you can share your whole life with." And sometimes---he acknowledges (unlike Clive)---he wants to have sex with that Friend. Maurice's conception of his own romantic and sexual attraction (a friend who you have sex with) is much more aligned with an asexual or aromantic's conception of romance or lifelong partnership that has deconstructed amatonormativity. Rather than pedestalizing romance as some intangible, supreme ideal that transcends the physical or mundane, Maurice is simply looking for a friend, in all the simplicity of the word, and given that he obviously has other friends that he is NOT romantically/sexually attracted to, it is clear that he implicitly (if not explicitly) recognizes that sex and romance are not inherently co-contingent upon each other and sex is separated from (though can be compatible with) both romance and friendship in his mind. This is not to say that Maurice is aromantic: he clearly feels romantic and sexual attraction to both Clive and Alec, but notably, he conceptualizes his attraction and desired relationship as platonic, not Platonic. His partner is his Friend first AND he is his Lover. On the other hand, Clive chases a romanticized Platonic ideal that allows him to sublimate/repress his romantic and sexual attraction into an ideal that is more tolerable to society AND slowly destroys his friendship with Maurice in the process.
All this is to say is that E. M. Forster's vision of love and romance as "a friend that you have sex with" manages to capture an understanding of love that breaks down amatonormativity, challenges the conflation of romantic and sexual attraction, and grounds the idea of partnership in something that is tangible and real. Its conceptual construction places friendship, genuine human connection, and affection at the heart of such a relationship without necessitating or denying physical or sexual expression of that attraction. In a heteronormative, amatonormative world where so many straight couples are together who consider romantic relationships more important than platonic ones, and often don't seem to have anything in common with their opposite sex partner or see them as a human being (see: jokes about how one partner "doesn't understand how men/women work" or "you can't tell what women are thinking", seeing their partner as part of an inscrutable class, not as an individual), Forster's conception of partnership through Maurice stumbles across a radical, queer vision of relationship that puts friendship first without denying the existence of romance or sex, whereas the idealized amatonormative vision of relationship expressed through Clive based on intangible, divine, mysterial connection ultimately fails because it is not based on anything real and represses everything that is real.
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Instead of saying "Are you gay?" try saying "Are you an unspeakable of the Oscar Wilde sort?"
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clive durham character of all time. he starts out the story fagging his way up and making maurice have a sexuality crisis then proceeds to go to greece and come back... straight??? he then gets an ugly mustache and becomes a repressed gay politician while maurice gets to shag rupert graves. he sucks and i hate him
(he is my favorite character)
part 2 of clive venting on twitter but im too lazy to change the photo of him
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The homophobia is stored in hugh grants fuckass mustache