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No cis girl is that obsessed with gay men
my tarot-inspired piece from a while ago for @sonicshadowzine ! was thinking about super shadow/dark sonic... the flavour 🦔✨
i challenged myself to redesign an amy that i actually liked and here she is. strong and sassy and too busy thinking about her kitty gf to worry about sonic :3c
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Explain to me some things duffers. So many things were poorly written. What did you think writing this?
Like will saying I don’t like girls when Mike literally YELLED at him “it’s not my fault you don’t like girls” and it haunted will is so fucked. Mike said that to hurt him in that moment. To HURT HIM. And then they can’t even say gay. Then the coming out scene is brushed off, poorly written, etc. they don’t even DIVE into his queerness.
Not to mention we don’t even see the scene Will was talking about. The vision from vecna? Seeing that vision and then the exact opposite from everyone would have made it at least better.
But then, the whole “or me, or me” thing? BULLSHIT. No one would act like that. It wasn’t super loving, so even if we saw that after that vecna vision we wouldn’t be satisfied. Why don’t the actually talk about it? Why can’t they say gay? They ca use gay slurs and talk about wills queerness but can’t say gay? And will coming out to EVERYONE?? Why the FUCK are Steve, Murray, Hopper, ETC even there? He doesn’t need to tell everyone, and he should not owe people his sexuality?
I know the duffers may not of meant it that way, cause this is a special circumstance where “oh no vecna is gonna use it against him” but it reads off terribly for queer people. Genuinely just poor writing. They could have wrote it ten times better. I don’t want to hear about how they were running out of time. If max and holly got to have a long ass talk before going to their physical bodies, they can make time for a proper coming out scene. The whole running out of time argument doesn’t even make sense, because we have seen them disregard that time restraint before. Literally the never ending story scene. Like come on. They also could have written it better without the whole vecna vision thing, so we wouldn’t even have to worry about that argument. Ugh.
How much you wanna bet that is the scene Noah requested they put in and the duffers just wrote some bullshit. It pisses me off even more cause if my idea is true THEY NEVER THOUGHT TO EVEN ADDRESS WILLS SEXUALITY.
Don’t even get me started on mike being wills Tammy. I can’t even wrap my head around that. Mike and will have such a deeper bond built on ten years of love, Will wouldn’t not get over that in a day and Tammy was a hallway crush robin had. Never even talked to her. Queer love being diminished to a crush is crazy. HE WAS IN LOVE WITH MIKE. Even if he was to be rejected, he wouldn’t just get over it that fast. We have seen them write unrequited love with Steve. Nancy wasn’t just a crush, and neither was Mike.
Robin telling Will how she knew was the snowball, avalanche, shared looks thing FOLLOWED by mike and will field scene? Fucking evil. If they write this as him getting advice for the future I’ll be so mad. We literally see him do that WITH THE ONE HE LOVES?? not to mention it’s MIKE, not will, INITIATING IT.
Why was Mike an asshole to will in season four? Really explain that to me? Cause it can read poorly. Why was he being an asshole in season four?? What was the reason?!?! I bet we will never find out cause they haven’t even gave us a Mike pov or a reason to care about him. Why did he change? Why was he an ass? Not only to will, but to el too? Why do they change???
Adding on to that, the reason I can find or try to make sense of why just don’t sound good or add up. That scene could be taken as Mike was being homophobic or rude cause he had a feeling Will liked him or was just gay. Cause why ? Did he do that? For what?? Like why hug him weird and say “WE’RE FRIENDS.” After all the shit said in previous seasons before that, will’s sexuality being a big focal point that season, and never getting an explanation on why Mike acted like that, that’s all I can think of !! That’s all we’re given!! And if he had the hint that Will liked him or whatever, why was he oblivious about the painting ? WHY ARENT WE TALKING ABOUT THE PAINTING?
As well, if they go the route I’m thinking and give Will an epilogue boyfriend, that means both canon queer ships had off screen development and no screen time compared to the extreme development and plot dedicated to the straight ships. Cool.
I feel like you can tell the duffers had big plot points they have been excited about for awhile but when it came to the other plots they gave up. No wonder they recently finished editing, it all feels rushed and procrastinated and under developed. They were too excited about the supernatural and theoretical science to care.
Don’t even mention how many characters get sidelined or don’t make sense, you can’t tell they didn’t know what to do with some of them. Was I happy to see Mr Clarke? Yeah. When I actually thought about it, did it make sense for him to just be chill with finding out everything finally? No. I hate to say but I feel the same way to a lot of the adult character scenes too. The whole thing with the demodogs looking all cute and at the dryer??? They have NEVER acted like that. (Except for Dustin’s, but that was ONE.) and as much as I’m glad to see Karen have a moment, I feel like her second moment in volume two was reheating the nachos from volume one. I wish they would dive into a more feminist plot with her, her relationship with Ted, herself, womanhood and the nuclear family stuff but no- we see her kick ass like Nancy. Cool, totally awesome. Can’t even dive into that much with Nancy either.
Also, they couldn’t even give Lucas a hero moment? Let him beat up demodogs we’ve seen it before. If Karen can severely wound a demogorgen with a wine bottle I be you Lucas could of found something. The only black lead not getting his hero moment is fucked. His girl is in danger it’s the perfect set up to watch him do cool shit. WHY IS KAREN DOING IT? Let him come up with a cool plan and save his girl. Hello? Karen only showed up to help them escape that’s it no other reason. She was close to death like what???
Don’t even get me started with the “jancy break up”. I don’t even know what to say. You needed to tell us in an article? Really? Shouldn’t we tell by the show? And if Nancy deserves to figure herself out and be independent, awesome. Can we write it better?
A lot of this seasons writing just disappoints me and helps me notice the lack of good writing in other season too. Earlier seasons were better sure, but what really made me love stranger things was the fan interpretations. They gave me faith in the show. So thank you to you guys. Cause wtf was that.
Will’s entire life he has had no control and he has always just been used. He hasn’t got one thing he wanted or even deserved. It breaks my heart. He hasn’t been able to own anything about himself. His own damn coming out he couldn’t even control because he was forced by his abuser to. Fuck you st writers cause godamn did you disappoint every queer fan and ESPECIALLY those who saw themselves in will.
And another thing. Will couldn’t even say “I’m gay” but the bullies and adults in the show can say gay slurs towards him. Yeah okay duffers.
Will’s entire life he has had no control and he has always just been used. He hasn’t got one thing he wanted or even deserved. It breaks my heart. He hasn’t been able to own anything about himself. His own damn coming out he couldn’t even control because he was forced by his abuser to. Fuck you st writers cause godamn did you disappoint every queer fan and ESPECIALLY those who saw themselves in will.
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Do you want to know something that really pisses me off?
The entire Jonathan and Steve love triangle. Cause somehow it’s about Nancy yet SHE DOES NOT MATTER AT ALL.
I feel like whenever I talk to people about this it’s always “Steve is a great guy! He is so caring to the kids and he’s funny and my favorite!” and “Jonathan is a creep and a weirdo.” Or some variation of that. It’s always about the two men and what they want or think!!! I hate talking about it with people.
It’s never about NANCY. She didn’t ask for this bullshit and now she has to deal with it. I feel terrible for her. Nobody thinks about what SHE WANTS.
I love Jancy so much because Jonathan actually ACKNOWLEDGES what Nancy wants and UNDERSTANDS HER. Steve is a sweet guy but he can’t get over her because she is the one girl he couldn’t have.
But honestly now Jonathan disappoints me. Asking her to marry you? When you’re 18/19? When you are stuck in quarantine and both of you couldn’t even go to college? (Which I’m pretty sure they haven’t even fully talked about). I think the last thing Nancy wants to worry about is marriage. Jonathan seems to understand that currently it’s not the right time to ask but why in the first place? It feels like because their relationship is on the rocks and he wants to find a way to tie her to him. Which is exactly what Nancy DOES NOT WANT.
Nancy hates her nuclear family and she doesn’t want a future like that. She doesn’t want to be forced to be tied down.
Nancy wants to pursue her future in journalism, wants to make a difference and a change.
I feel like the best time to ask for marriage is when THIS THING IS ALL OVER. And to TALK ABOUT WHAT SHE MIGHT THINK FIRST.
I think that is something Nancy would be appreciate more. She does not want her future up to someone else, or feel pressured by people for it. Proposing to her during the end of the world is just terrible because she can’t even have time to THINK if that is what she really wants or not, cause it’s the end of the world.
Steve and Jonathan are too focused on their rivalry and showing off how good of a boyfriend they are/would be then what Nancy wants. (Except for the part where Steve suggests they bring flowers and Jonathan says no. I was very proud of him. Sticking to the plan is exactly what she would want. Also refusing to propose during all the shit happening. But it didn’t change what I said).
Honestly I want people to acknowledge Nancy outside of her relationships. I know it’s hard cause the Duffers literally wrote that into her story and it’s a part of her character but just think about HER. What SHE WOULD WANT. And telling by what I see, I think she should just be single.
Even though I personally want Jancy so bad, (and I look at Jonathan with so much love because he just loves Nancy so much and he has been through so much)-
I look at Nancy’s character and I think she deserves to break free from the boys be focus on herself. I think that’d be the best ending for her. Even if it’s just for now. She deserves to not be tired to them always.
Imagine if el told MAX everything Mike said to her in season 4. Especially the “I can’t say I love you until I’m pressured to cause I think it’ll save the world” and “you’re my superhero!” Max would be fucking LIVID.
I need max having girl talk with el. Or even Nancy. Or Robin. Actually I just need a group girl debrief. El needs them to tell her how amazing she is and help her through her relationship (and lowkey how stupid Mike is). Let them all just talk with one another. Nancy can talk about how weird Jonathan and Steve are acting. Robin could give lowkey great advice and talk about how her and Vickie are doing. Max can talk about Lucas and how he is actually a good boyfriend. I need that season 3 elmax energy back. I just want girl talk 💔 Duffers GIVE THE GIRLS A SLEEPOVER DAMMIT. I need fanart. Fanfic. Anything.
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