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4B Movement Extension - 9B4T

Original 4B's

No sex with men

No dating men

No marrying men

No childrearing with men

6B4T is 4B plus:

No buying misogynistic products

Support other separatist women

No idols / celebrity culture

No misogynistic religion

No beauty culture / corset culture

No hypersexual depictions of women

7B4T adds: No unnecessary talking to men. This includes arguing with men since it's a drain of energy and also degrading to debate your human rights, as well as no unnecessary platonic relationships with men as they will seek to soften your feminism or make you compromise your values.

8B4T adds: No compromise with men (regarding feminist goals). For example when fighting for abortion rights we shouldn't accept anything that doesn't give us total control over our own bodies. We shouldn't stop fighting for / building the ability to live and work separately is another. So always keep fighting.

9B4T adds: No activities in which women are the product. The obvious one to this is the sex industry, but also surrogacy and eggsploitation (egg selling, bc unfortunately female gamete procurement is a brutal process unlike male gametes). Another angle of this is clubs where "women come free" or such things. It's only free because women are the product for men who will then spend more money on the business.

[simsmongerthee]

dont u dare share ur disgust of penises cause it might hurt a trannies feelings 😔

[bloodandtheory]

I didn't want to touch this but I have some thoughts on the bj discourse and I've always been opinionated so

I think saying "blow jobs aren't inherently degrading" is a perfect world argument and criticism of het sexual acts makes some het partnered women defensive because intimate stuff like that is a very touchy nerve

The fact of the matter (from the perspective of radical feminism specifically) is we live in a misogynistic patriarchal society where men are socialized from birth to view women as objects they have an entitlement to own. Especially now with the rampant hyper misogynistic porn problem

Men as a class treat heterosexual sex as an act of dominance and porn has specifically weaponized blow jobs. The "money shot" was an almost instant success. Men in the porn industry view blow jobs as degrading (read Pornland by Gail Dines) and porn overwhelmingly influences mens sexuality with younger and younger exposure

Because of all that I also don't think it's comparable to eating a woman out because the dynamic is completely different

A big reason why "my man is different" doesn't really fly here is because radical feminism advocates from a class standpoint, not an individual one. Men as a class are the oppressors, women as a class are the oppressed

Radical feminism is critical of heterosexual sex dynamics, and that is going to include blow jobs. A good majority of radfems are going to express that they find it degrading

You do not have to defend doing het sex activities in radfem spaces, it is both accepted and expected basically everywhere else

If those criticisms make you feel like you're less of a feminist then focus that energy on doing something that benefits the women in your life or by doing some other feminist action because that's what feminist advocacy is: action

* I'm not defending the use of any misogynistic slurs or pornographic insults directed at het women

[a-lesbian-feminist]

Another important point is that even if a woman doesn't personally feel degraded by it, the man 100% views it as degrading.

When two men have sex with each other, the man giving the blowjob is almost always feminized, and characterised as "submissive". This is further evidence that men do view it as an inherently degrading act, and it isn't even exclusive to heterosexual sex.

[infectedbugz]

I have the personality of a cornered animal

[its-terf-or-nothin]

Same but trying to be better. I’ve discovered faking it until I make it can actually does wonders.

[virtualcremefem]

Something that bothers me just as much as their denial of women's reality, is men's SILENCE on our problems.

They can be told any number of stories about women being victimized, but it rolls off them. They have nothing to say. They don't CARE.

This SILENCE leads to denial of what we face. What's important in societies are often things men care about more.

Give a man on the internet receipts of violence against women and chances are he'll have nothing to say about it, yet he will tell you how hysterical and wrong you are. Similarly, a man will watch violent porn all day, then log on to an account and announce that women have it easy in the world.

The way they don't care is demonic. It fills me with dread.

But I've come to accept that I should surround myself with women who care about women. Men never will.

[radfem-alt-clothes]

I think you have to be a woman first. You can't be gay first because gay men are misogynists. You can't be a religion first because religious men are misogynists. You can't be any race first because all races can be misogynists. You can't be an immigrant first because immigrant men are misogynists. I struggle to think of any marginalized group where the men aren't capable and willing to be misogynists.

[gendiebrainrotreceipts]

Aren’t you the ones who wanted their sex changed on all their documents? This is the result

[crow-carrion]

This is a real issue that's affecting women in healthcare because transmascs are sold the idea that there's 0 downsides to changing sex marker on our files. This causes transmascs and detrans women to face sexual assault in medical settings, improper medical care, and even death. Why do you believe "you asked for it" is ok when women identify as trans?

Besides... Doctors not reading the files hurts and kills women who aren't transmasc too. This is not just a little "gotcha" moment. This is something that affects all women. A little solidarity between transmascs, detrans women, and women who were never trans would be a lot better than "this is what you wanted". No, what they wanted was a doctor who would read their damn file.

[gendiebrainrotreceipts]

I’m not saying they deserve it, I’m saying trans ideology hurts the very women they’re trying to help. Putting ‘m’ on a female person’s file is ofc gonna cause problems and misunderstandings

[niiwa-angel]

I'm saying they kinda deserve it. They were warned multiple times by multiple people and they did it anyway.

[shadows-and-starlight]

It's almost like biology matters in medical settings 🤔 and while yeah the doctors/nurses should be doing a full reading of your charts, it doesn't help that you're actively trying to deceive them and everyone by pretending to be the other sex.

[niiwa-angel]

This also has to do with language. If the chart says "male" or has a male sex marker, when you ask for bathroom assistance, the nurse is going to bring you the male bathroom assistance tools. Hospitals are overwhelmed right now, nurses are overwhelmed. This woman made their job harder and is now shaming them for getting the supplies for the sex marker she changed.

[logophilestudies]

literally😔

[fearlessfeministcat]

You are more sexist than you think

You are more racist than you think

You are more homophobic than you think

You are more bigoted than you think

You are not immune to propaganda and misinformation, just because you don't think you are bigoted does not mean it to be true

I can read 20 billion feminist books and still be a bigot because I fail to properly criticise my beliefs and consciously apply that to my daily life

In these discussions always think to yourself why do I think this? What do other people think of this? What do professionals think of this? What biases might exist?

[isuggestrevolution]

this is my suggestion

[isuggestrevolution]

it was pointed out to me that op is a terf which does make me want to delete the reblog, but damn what a prime example of what's being said, so i suggest you heed this reminder, you are not immune to propaganda

[its-terf-or-nothin]

Idiot fell for misogynistic and lesbophobic propaganda:

[lyra-gutters]

honestly based image set. Launch all TERFs directly into the sun.

[its-terf-or-nothin]

You’re a man, so of course you would think that. You’re not different than any of the rest despite the fact you think you’re so quirky and unique because of your pronouns.

[radfem-alt-clothes]

I thin most feminists, including in radfem spaces, feel the need to show themselves as oppressed for reasons other than being a woman. I'm not just a woman, I'm a gay woman. Or I'm a WOC. Or I'm autistic or disabled or jewish or ugly or poor this or that and like... a straight, white, young, rich and smoking hot woman is still oppressed because shocker! She's still a woman. I know a lot of radfems like to complain about oppression olympics in "queer" spaces but the second its in feminist ones, it's not an issue? Yeah, intersectionalism and all that but I think theres a difference between that and saying that your oppression is more real because you have it coming from multiple angles. All women are oppressed. You don't need to be hyper oppressed in order to have a view.

[its-terf-or-nothin]

Me because I’ve contacted a million different companies and no one will fix my fucking air conditioner:

[never-tell-me-what-to-do]

how anti-separatists sound:

"Separatism doesn't work, not enough people practice it"

then practice it.

"Separatism is for lesbians"

you're not immediately 6b9t just because you're a lesbian. they can be heteronormative too and that's very bad. Its also just a random excuse to be lesbiphobic bc what do they have to do with you. especially weird that this excuse almost exclusively comes from bisexuals which makes even less sense

"we can't help that we're osa"

you CAN choose not to date, just like you choose WHO to date. there's virtually no excuse if you're bisexual

"you are denying women companionship" straight ppl get so whiney, but they banned gay marriage for the past millennia. dating is an artifice constructed by men to own women. why else do you think dating immediately results in dedicating your life to him? get a cat or something. get a friend. You are born alone and you seemed to do fine.

"there are good men out there"

study found that 100% of men in the study felt resentment towards their girlfriends when they succeeded btw

100% of men

all men. all men hate it when you do anything that resembles autonomy

your boyfriends hate you or don't see you as human

and no, this obviously doesn't count for women who are forced to date men, coerced to, threatened to, or groomed to. duh

[fearlessfeministcat]

If you have to explain to people why your "straight passing" relationship is gay. It isnt.

[vintage-bentley]

I just saw a post about summer tips for mascs…and all the drawings either had binding tape, a binder, or double mastectomy scars. Half the advice was just about binders. Why has women’s gender non conformity become synonymous with hating our bodies? Why are mascs and butches being fed this narrative that to be masc or butch, they should be viewing their bodies negatively and getting cosmetic surgery?

[never-tell-me-what-to-do]

can you post that “my amazing boyfriend does not watch porn” drawing again without that lesbophobic asshole being there 😭😭💀💀 it’s a great picture!

whyyyy do they always look like that when your het-partnered friend tells you about how great and hot her boyfriend is??? and when you’re unfortunate enough to actually meet him he looks like he’s not even the same species

ofc lol thank you for asking!

i made it a while ago, but y'know what they say.. "life imitates art"

this is also multifaceted; it has the same energy as the women who rave about how "great" their male gynecologist is. nooo, muh boyfran is an ally! he told me himselfss i swear! he's one of the gud ones

[g1rluninterruptedd]

i think we should have a women’s, men’s, and gender neutral bathroom. that way, women who just want to be with women can be with women, men who just wanna be around men can be with men, and everybody else pile into the gender neutral one. 🤷‍♀️ like i genuinely don’t give a fuck at this point, if your identity is so fragile that you’re flipping out over sex separated bathrooms… idk what to tell you

[fearlessfeministcat]

Libfems of tiktok are having their montly debate on shaving. Cant wait for this cycle to repeat again and again as no ones feminism seems to go further than basic choice feminism.