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4B Movement Extension - 9B4T

Original 4B's

No sex with men

No dating men

No marrying men

No childrearing with men

6B4T is 4B plus:

No buying misogynistic products

Support other separatist women

No idols / celebrity culture

No misogynistic religion

No beauty culture / corset culture

No hypersexual depictions of women

7B4T adds: No unnecessary talking to men. This includes arguing with men since it's a drain of energy and also degrading to debate your human rights, as well as no unnecessary platonic relationships with men as they will seek to soften your feminism or make you compromise your values.

8B4T adds: No compromise with men (regarding feminist goals). For example when fighting for abortion rights we shouldn't accept anything that doesn't give us total control over our own bodies. We shouldn't stop fighting for / building the ability to live and work separately is another. So always keep fighting.

9B4T adds: No activities in which women are the product. The obvious one to this is the sex industry, but also surrogacy and eggsploitation (egg selling, bc unfortunately female gamete procurement is a brutal process unlike male gametes). Another angle of this is clubs where "women come free" or such things. It's only free because women are the product for men who will then spend more money on the business.

[pillarsalts]

there's actually no reason whatsoever for there to be zero gnc women in WWE. not even one trunchbull-esque strongwoman. not even for comic relief. every single one wears a full face of makeup and complete set of nails. it's actually crazy compared to the variety of handsomes to uglies on the male side. fucked up.

[horsebacteria]

I always giggle when I notice a TIM holding the same exact angle in a video the whole time he’s recording himself, cause if he turns his head it’s gonna be 1000x worse

[terfspongebob]

okay so. cw: discourse, spongebob, unhinged analysis

let me tell you why SpongeBob SquarePants is literally a detrans TERF and why we need to talk about it.

y'all remember the 2000s right? we were all out here thinking SpongeBob was peak gender nonconformity. the high voice? the flamboyant laughter? the fact that he literally wore a dress in multiple episodes and nobody questioned it??? we were like "yes! representation! this sponge is transing the gender!"

we were WRONG.

here's the thing. SpongeBob didn't transition to something. SpongeBob transitioned from something, realized it was a mistake, and has been spiraling ever since. think about it. he used to be a natural sea sponge—literally a hermaphroditic organism capable of both sexual reproduction methods—and then he decided to become... whatever he is now. a "male" fry cook? in a "pineapple" house? the symbolism isn't subtle bestie.

the evidence:

he's obsessed with "manliness" now — remember when he tried to join the Salty Spitoon? that's not aspirational masculinity, that's compensating. that's "i used to be genderless in the ocean and now i have something to prove" behavior.

his relationship with Sandy — literally only hangs out with her to assert his "manhood" around a girlboss scientist while secretly resenting that she transitioned (species) successfully and he didn't. the jealousy is PALPABLE.

the "imagination" box — this is clearly a dissociation coping mechanism for gender dysphoria. the rainbow coming out of it? that's the HRT he wishes he never started.

why this matters for the community:

because SpongeBob has become the face of the "detrans to TERF pipeline" that nobody wants to talk about. he's not just quietly living his life—he's SQUIDWARD. he's becoming bitter. he's writing Substack essays about "the dangers of medicalizing sponge children." he's testifying in front of the Texas legislature about how transition ruined his porous body.

and the WORST part? the cishets are EATING IT UP. they're using SpongeBob—their ONE gay-coded comfort character—to justify their entire worldview. "even the sponge regretted it!" they're saying. "even the sponge knows biology is real!"

the implications:

if SpongeBob SquarePants can go from "absorbent and yellow and porous" (gender euphoria) to "i'm a MAN, Patrick, a REAL MAN with SKELETAL STRUCTURE" (gender despair), what does that mean for the rest of us? is Patrick next? is he going to start reading Irreversible Damage and posting about "female socialization" despite being a literal starfish?

anyway in conclusion: SpongeBob is a cautionary tale about what happens when you build your entire identity around performing gender for the male gaze (the Krusty Krab is the male gaze) instead of just... being a sponge. free him from his square pants. let him return to the ocean. let him be hermaphroditic again.

[myke-litoris]

This post was fact checked by a real terf ✅

[radkindoffeminist]

One of the most frustrating things I have found about men and women’s actions, especially in relationships, is that women are always expected to give men the benefit of the doubt, communicate better, and act when men have been poor at communicating.

When women complain that men are not doing their share of the chores it’s always: have you tried communicating that with them? Have you spoken to them about it? Have you given them a list of chores to do? Basically, have you done everything humanly to make it easier for him to do these chores?

I saw another one recently where a woman was complaining that her husband asked her three times when a certain appointment was and she said things like this put the mental load on her and was just draining. Basically every single comment was some variation of telling her she needed to put it in a calendar, saying that he probably has other things on his mind because of work or male-dominated chores (when the oil needs changing, when the grass needs mowing, etc), or basically telling her that he has a job so remembering all of this is hard and she needs to help him. (Or just insulting her.)

Meanwhile, I saw a post where a guy said that his wife always ate his fries when they got fast food so instead of doing anything about it, he hid the fries or ate them before she could get any. The responses? SHE needs to communicate better about what foods she wants in the future. On a different post where a woman was complaining that a man was eating all the snacks she would buy for herself, no matter how much asked him not to and actively hid the snacks, half of the suggestions were that she needed to buy more snacks because he clearly wanted them even if he wasn’t communicating it properly. So women eating men’s food and not asking for their own is poor communication and she needs to communicate better. But men eating women’s women’s food and not not asking for their own is poor communication but women should understand that it means he wants the snacks and get them?

Then when men don’t pull their weight in the household it’s: maybe he’s stressed from work. Maybe he’s depressed. Maybe he doesn’t know what needs doing. You, as the woman, need to communicate with him about this.

Don’t even get me started on the fact that people still assume that men are working and paying for everything while women remain at home, despite most households having two working adults.

And when the relationship ultimately breaks down then it’s her fault: SHE should’ve communicated better. SHE should have expressed her unhappiness. SHE should have done more. Nothing about the fact that she man ignored her and didn’t pull his weight, only about how her actions lead to the end of the marriage. Because men are always owed the benefit of the doubt and women always need to communicate better.

[erebusvincent]

Have you also noticed how once men are in relationships, they no longer can remember family members' birthdays, how to do laundry, how to buy food, or how to write down appointments? They were doing all those things before they got into a relationship, but somehow the ability flees from their brains the moment they get a servant.

I was in line a few years ago and the guy in front of me didn't know his own children's ages. A part of my spirit died that day.

[niiwa-angel]

See, I troll r/AITA and other trashy subreddits and I see this A LOT!

A man can never attend his children's events because he's spending time with other family/friends/work? He's busy!! Men shouldn't have to give up everything just because they have kids!! He's providing! Imagine if he quit his job and you all wound up homeless!

A woman can never attend her children's events because she's spending time with family/friends/work? A bitch. A negligent mother who hates her kids. It's such a shame the father has to do it all when his partner should be doing more!

A man is blowing all the money on addiction/vices? He needs help. Have you tried communicating? Why haven't you done something before now?

A woman is blowing all the money on addiction/vices? Dump her. Her problems aren't yours. She's weighing you down.

A man wants nothing to do with a child who isn't his? (Cheating spouse, previous marriage) It's his right. This is why paternity tests should be mandatory at birth. Of course he doesn't want anything to do with this child.

A woman wants nothing to do with a child who isn't hers? (Same circumstances as above). She's a heartless monster. How could she do this to an innocent child? The child didn't ask to be born. What will her bio kids think of her actions when they grow up?

It's ridiculous!! Men are coddled for everything and women are given nothing.

[radkindoffeminist]

I saw one today, or rather one being discussed on TikTok. Woman was asking if she communicated reasonably because she told her partner that she wanted her no to be respected the first time she said no. He then acts like he’s been accused of sexually assaulting her which she says she isn’t and literally never said. Only that she wants her first no to be respected. He goes on a whole tirade about how she consented to him practicing/showing off his marshal arts training on her including that he basically badgered her into saying yes and didn’t allow her to refuse. (His OWN ADMISSION.) She agrees but says she wants the first time she says no to be respected going forward.

Beyond him being manipulative as fuck, his literally communicated poorly throughout the exchange and ignored that all she wanted was for her first no to be respected going forward. No accusations. No claiming of abuse. No saying anything was non-consensual. Just that her first no should be respected.

Most of the comments reasonably pointed out that it’s coercion and she should leave him. One comment though? Men can be accused of anything at any time so that’s why he’s defensive. SHE communicated poorly. Why is she bringing this up now? How did she react at the time? Was she being playful the previous night? The accused her of ‘framing it like assault’ when all she wanted was for her first no to be respected. He literally made up a whole scenario about her sort of saying no and then him saying it would be fun and her immediately relenting to him. Claimed that sometimes we say ‘no’ in a playful manner so that’s maybe it.

Bear in mind that this was what the man in the text had to say about her saying no:

Every time you said no I pleaded further to show you and you allowed me

Literally, the man admits to not accepting her saying no and other men are still acting like women are the ones communicating poorly.

People like to blame relationship breakdowns on the lack of women communicating with their partners. And if not lack of communicating, not communicating directly enough. And if not communicating directly enough, then somehow their actions are wrong. It doesn’t matter how, men will always defend other men.

[radkindoffeminist]

Also: when men are struggling financially but don’t discuss this with their partner, it’s not framed as basically financial abuse or at least a lack of open and honest communication but rather he is given sympathy. It must be so hard on him to be failing as a provider! He’s been suffering all alone! He was too ashamed to admit it!

No, he wasn’t being a partner in his partnership and that normally ends up with worse financial consequences in the long term. He failed to communicate and took the struggled upon himself because of his own choice and it’s likely his partner who will suffer more because of that. I have no sympathy.

[g1rluninterruptedd]

“oh but society wants women to-“ and what if i told you i don’t give a fuck? what if i told you my body hair actually doesn’t bother me? what if i told you i love stuffing my face with pasta? what if i told you i actually love getting “big and bulky”? what if i told you i love sitting with my legs spread? what if i told you i wear what i want? what if i told you that nothing you think about what i should be doing defines how im gonna live my life?

women are taught to be quiet, to be passive, to be submissive, to accept things as they are and i refuse to stand for that. i’m not going to live my life crying and whining about “the system” either. i don’t give a fuck what men would prefer i do. giving in is giving up and i’m really not interested in doing that shit. 😭 feminism today feminism tomorrow feminism forever cuz this shit will really save your life 🙏

[fearlessfeministcat]

"Penis isnt the rape organ"

Yes it is

If 90 percent of deaths were caused by pianos falling from the sky, we would regulated the sale and storage of pianos

Why dont we do the same for male violence?

Men need to be stopped, its not even systemic at this point but almost guaranteed

This is why we need same sex spaces, we cannot afford to assume anyone socialised and born as a man is not complicit or partially of this violence

[belladonnaenymphe]

hey so this is fucking insane abusive shit and i don't think this should belong in lesbian spaces like oh my god what's up with your need to be violent towards your partner

[its-terf-or-nothin]

The dinosaurs being mostly female is the only thing preventing Jurassic World from being absurdly sexist because who the hell decided the women in this movie should run away from the dinosaurs in high heels?

[vegfam]

TERF dog

[misspetsyourcats]

Hero

[its-terf-or-nothin]

Normally I’m against male feminist allies but I’ll make an exception.

[simsmongerthee]

dont u dare share ur disgust of penises cause it might hurt a trannies feelings 😔

[bloodandtheory]

I didn't want to touch this but I have some thoughts on the bj discourse and I've always been opinionated so

I think saying "blow jobs aren't inherently degrading" is a perfect world argument and criticism of het sexual acts makes some het partnered women defensive because intimate stuff like that is a very touchy nerve

The fact of the matter (from the perspective of radical feminism specifically) is we live in a misogynistic patriarchal society where men are socialized from birth to view women as objects they have an entitlement to own. Especially now with the rampant hyper misogynistic porn problem

Men as a class treat heterosexual sex as an act of dominance and porn has specifically weaponized blow jobs. The "money shot" was an almost instant success. Men in the porn industry view blow jobs as degrading (read Pornland by Gail Dines) and porn overwhelmingly influences mens sexuality with younger and younger exposure

Because of all that I also don't think it's comparable to eating a woman out because the dynamic is completely different

A big reason why "my man is different" doesn't really fly here is because radical feminism advocates from a class standpoint, not an individual one. Men as a class are the oppressors, women as a class are the oppressed

Radical feminism is critical of heterosexual sex dynamics, and that is going to include blow jobs. A good majority of radfems are going to express that they find it degrading

You do not have to defend doing het sex activities in radfem spaces, it is both accepted and expected basically everywhere else

If those criticisms make you feel like you're less of a feminist then focus that energy on doing something that benefits the women in your life or by doing some other feminist action because that's what feminist advocacy is: action

* I'm not defending the use of any misogynistic slurs or pornographic insults directed at het women

[a-lesbian-feminist]

Another important point is that even if a woman doesn't personally feel degraded by it, the man 100% views it as degrading.

When two men have sex with each other, the man giving the blowjob is almost always feminized, and characterised as "submissive". This is further evidence that men do view it as an inherently degrading act, and it isn't even exclusive to heterosexual sex.

[infectedbugz]

I have the personality of a cornered animal

[its-terf-or-nothin]

Same but trying to be better. I’ve discovered faking it until I make it can actually does wonders.

[virtualcremefem]

Something that bothers me just as much as their denial of women's reality, is men's SILENCE on our problems.

They can be told any number of stories about women being victimized, but it rolls off them. They have nothing to say. They don't CARE.

This SILENCE leads to denial of what we face. What's important in societies are often things men care about more.

Give a man on the internet receipts of violence against women and chances are he'll have nothing to say about it, yet he will tell you how hysterical and wrong you are. Similarly, a man will watch violent porn all day, then log on to an account and announce that women have it easy in the world.

The way they don't care is demonic. It fills me with dread.

But I've come to accept that I should surround myself with women who care about women. Men never will.

[radfem-alt-clothes]

I think you have to be a woman first. You can't be gay first because gay men are misogynists. You can't be a religion first because religious men are misogynists. You can't be any race first because all races can be misogynists. You can't be an immigrant first because immigrant men are misogynists. I struggle to think of any marginalized group where the men aren't capable and willing to be misogynists.

[gendiebrainrotreceipts]

Aren’t you the ones who wanted their sex changed on all their documents? This is the result

[crow-carrion]

This is a real issue that's affecting women in healthcare because transmascs are sold the idea that there's 0 downsides to changing sex marker on our files. This causes transmascs and detrans women to face sexual assault in medical settings, improper medical care, and even death. Why do you believe "you asked for it" is ok when women identify as trans?

Besides... Doctors not reading the files hurts and kills women who aren't transmasc too. This is not just a little "gotcha" moment. This is something that affects all women. A little solidarity between transmascs, detrans women, and women who were never trans would be a lot better than "this is what you wanted". No, what they wanted was a doctor who would read their damn file.

[gendiebrainrotreceipts]

I’m not saying they deserve it, I’m saying trans ideology hurts the very women they’re trying to help. Putting ‘m’ on a female person’s file is ofc gonna cause problems and misunderstandings

[niiwa-angel]

I'm saying they kinda deserve it. They were warned multiple times by multiple people and they did it anyway.

[shadows-and-starlight]

It's almost like biology matters in medical settings 🤔 and while yeah the doctors/nurses should be doing a full reading of your charts, it doesn't help that you're actively trying to deceive them and everyone by pretending to be the other sex.

[niiwa-angel]

This also has to do with language. If the chart says "male" or has a male sex marker, when you ask for bathroom assistance, the nurse is going to bring you the male bathroom assistance tools. Hospitals are overwhelmed right now, nurses are overwhelmed. This woman made their job harder and is now shaming them for getting the supplies for the sex marker she changed.

[logophilestudies]

literally😔