The immortalization of Iphigenia
"And lovely ambrosia she dripped onto her head...and she made her immortal and ageless for all her days"
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The immortalization of Iphigenia
"And lovely ambrosia she dripped onto her head...and she made her immortal and ageless for all her days"
A Zionist Pinochetista son of a nazi is now gonna be the president of my country in a few months. So I'm doing great ig.
We do live in the worst timeline because why did my partner tell me their teacher decided to change their Odyssey test to one about making a timeline about EPIC: THE MUSICAL because IT WOULD BE EASIER??? I CAN'T EVEN SAY OPEN THE SCHOOLS BECAUSE THIS IS THE SCHOOLS
This was NOT what I wanted to read today! Today of all days where we celebrate one of the dates that Odysseus returns to Ithaca to the amazing book called THE ODYSSEY!
Why why FUCKING WHY is the world like this?!
Wait this is a joke right? Tell me this is a rage bait and some joke because it can't be real! It just can't...
I love Epic but what the fuck. Epic is not a replacement for tHE LITERAL ODYSSEY
I don't and with time I do even less and yeah
"Good morning, class. Instead of today's history lesson, we're going to watch that unauthorized Christian production of Hamilton, which I'm sure is a faithful adaptation of the source material."
This is killing sorry 😭😭😭😭 /pos
We do live in the worst timeline because why did my partner tell me their teacher decided to change their Odyssey test to one about making a timeline about EPIC: THE MUSICAL because IT WOULD BE EASIER??? I CAN'T EVEN SAY OPEN THE SCHOOLS BECAUSE THIS IS THE SCHOOLS
This was NOT what I wanted to read today! Today of all days where we celebrate one of the dates that Odysseus returns to Ithaca to the amazing book called THE ODYSSEY!
Why why FUCKING WHY is the world like this?!
Wait this is a joke right? Tell me this is a rage bait and some joke because it can't be real! It just can't...
Yeah, unfortunately it is not 🙁 And while I kinda get it because obviously some of the teens in the class didn't finish the book/didn't read it at all and so wouldn't pass the test, this is really unfair for the one that did do the work :/
And it's all around a weird thing to do because Epic is nothing like the actually Odyssey
We do live in the worst timeline because why did my partner tell me their teacher decided to change their Odyssey test to one about making a timeline about EPIC: THE MUSICAL because IT WOULD BE EASIER??? I CAN'T EVEN SAY OPEN THE SCHOOLS BECAUSE THIS IS THE SCHOOLS
I've been informed that apparently ppl are getting called homophobic and heteronormative for depicting Achilles being in love with women???
Would it be too petty of me to draw Iphichilles being cute just because of this???
cool relationship tips from the doomed princess of mycenae and her equally doomed not-bridegroom
(not pictured is patroclus taking notes)
Figurine of Aphrodite playing with baby Eros (Tanagra, late 4th BC, Hermitage.)
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Okay so I made a post explaining about the racism from Epic The Musical fans and in that post I mentioned how Eurylochus attacking at the end of Thunderbringer feels wrong and doesn't help his perception from fans.
I understand that there might be ndas but if your allowed to talk about it, can I ask why Jorge asked for Eurylochus to be attacking with the crew?
Love your content I'm just really curious about this.
Sadly, I never asked Jorge why he wanted Eurylochus attacking with the crew. Jorge had this reference that was only descriptions of how each shot would play out, and it specified that. At first, Jorge wanted Odysseus to look apathetic throughout the whole animatic, like he'd checked out and felt nothing towards the crew. So my first draft focused on Eurylochus showing betrayal, desperation, and grief toward Odysseus' apathy. That version was scrapped because Jorge wanted this moment to be about Odysseus only, not with Eurylochus.
It wasn’t until I finished cleaning up the final approved draft that Jorge realized the audience might struggle to sympathize with a stone-cold, apathetic Odysseus. So he wanted it changed to give Odysseus a more sad and tired expression, making it easier for people to feel bad for him.
To answer your question: Eurylochus didn’t have much focus in Jorge’s vision from the info I got from him. It was all about Ody. It was something like Eurylochus' moment was during Mutiny, where in my part of thunderbringer, he was just part of the angry mob attacking Odysseus. ---
By the way, I read your post about the racism from Epic fans, and I agree with you a lot. I haven’t read all of it tho, but what I’ve read so far it resonates with me. One thing I’ll add is how confused I was when I realized Steven Dookie (Polites’ actor) has much darker complexion than me. I was like, “WTF, this man is SO much darker than me, but everyone draws him like me?!” When that clicked, it weirded me out so much. Normally, when people whitewash characters or use extreme colorism, the backlash is loud but in the Epic fandom back then? Oddly quiet…
And about Eurylochus during Thunderbringer... I felt so fucking bad for him throughout the entire thunder saga. Yet the first thing I saw was video after video, post after post, showing him zero sympathy. Like, genuinely, people couldn’t grasp why Eurylochus acted as he did. Meanwhile, those same folks had no problem saying “Oh, I feel so bad for Odysseus for murdering a baby! I’d do the same in his place. Poor Ody!”
But for Eurylochus?
“Why couldn’t he just starve a few more days? 🙄 And how DARE he disobey Odysseus! He should just obey orders!” Huuuhh??? Don't they hear how fucking vile that sounds? With context or not.
Either way, racial approval bias exists in every media and community. The sad truth is if Eurylochus were played by a white actor, the audience would treat him with more sympathy and nuance. Probably still hate him but they wouldn't go around and say that he deserves to get SA'd. And the even sadder truth? If Polites were played by a Black/African actor (sure, people wouldn’t get away with colorism as easily, but) he’d probably be hated alot more for being “dumb and naive" or the fandom just mold him into the black best friend trope.
hiiiiiiiiii hope ur doing well!! i keep getting posts on my dash from a blog with ur same pfp and i keep thinking MOOT :D only for it to not be u gfjdkjdks so just checking up on u lol i havent seen u in a bit <3
Omg, somehow I didn't a notification for this ???
Sorry I haven't been posting much, I'm still very much into Greek mythology, and my love for Iphigenia, and the rest of the house of Atreus, is still going strong 💪 I'm even making my English assignment about my love for Aeschylus' Oresteia haha, but Ive been focusing more on reading stuff, and I got other hyperfixations too. Add that with all of my classes and my poor time management skills, and I get honestly no time to really post about it :( and in general I barely have the energy for things that I like,.like drawing, I had a lot of ideas for fanarts of the children, but my laziness was stronger haha
Thanks for checking in <3 I'm mostly active on twitter now, talking about Vocaloid and Alien Stage (I will sometimes tweet about Greek myths stuff, but I rarely do that there) but I have an habit of altering which platform I'm more active on, so maybe in a few months I will be back on the Tumblr addiction!!
I will try to post more, because I'm definitely not done with my love for Greek mythos (and I love my moots here!!)
What a nice little family, sure hope they're not deeply cursed!!
ok so i read in a post from @babyrdie (great meta btw) about iphigenia as an alternate mother to pyrrhus that there is a tradition where achilles was iphigenia's lover prior to being sacrificed and when she was and replaced by a deer he ran after her along the shoreline (leading to it being named Achilles' racecourse according to legend). I'm just thinking about the mental image of a teenage achilles frantically running after Iphigenia and calling her name until he physically can't anymore, for all his godlike speed he would never have been able to catch her, she was gone in an instant. And then Patroclus finally catches up to him like, several miles from Aulis, on his knees and completely out of breath (he's NEVER seen Fucking Achilles out of breath), incoherent and out of sorts, not wanting to accept this girl that he was really falling in love with (possibly the mother of his only child) is just GONE, with no way to get her back or even to get closure on what happened to her and I just. Yeah Achilles has two hands, he can go through the tragic untimely demise of his girlfriend AND his boyfriend. As a. Treat.
Would it be possible to summarize the differences between the two gods of war of the Greek pantheon by saying that Athena embodied warcraft, strategy, generalship, and the protection of cities, whereas Ares embodied battlelust, brutality, and courage? Or were both deities more or less overlapped?
I think the most straightforward distinction is that Ares frequently embodies war itself in a way that Athena never does. Alexander Millington (War and the Warrior: Functions of Ares in Literature and Cult) puts it this way: "Ares, it is clear, is not just a god who can act in war, but a god who is inextricably entangled with war. He is a constant element in the multiple levels of determination that act on all of war’s events. When war is brought, it is Ares who is brought. When war is roused, Ares is roused. It is in Ares that the warriors of the Iliad join and stand and die. Much of the language used in the Iliad suggests that Ares and war are one and the same. ... War, as discussed above, is Ares’ realm. War belongs to Ares, and Ares is identifiable with war, inextricable from it. When Athena first influences and manipulates, and then fights and defeats Ares, she shows the value and quality of the protection that she can offer against war’s dangers. Even when war is at its most furious, its most destructive, Athena’s protective power is not only stronger than that of other divine helpers, but also stronger than the chaos of war itself."
That said, Athena can definitely be brutal as well; she too delights in battle and the sacking of cities (Homeric Hymn 11 to Athena), but she can distance herself from war to a greater degree than Ares can. "In the Iliad (5.733ff.), she arms herself for battle by removing the self-made dress that she had been wearing, and replacing it with weapons, most strikingly, the ‘terrible tasselled aegis’ which contains the personified abstractions Phobos (Fear), Eris (Strife), Alke (Strength), blood-chilling Ioke (Pursuit), and then, most of all ‘the head of the terrible monster the Gorgon, both fearful and awful to look on’. These abstractions become part of the spectacle she produces; but they are also detachable. Ares, meanwhile, has a more permanent kind of attachment with some of these figures: Phobos and Eris are even his relatives, since he is identified as the father of the former (e.g. Iliad 13.299), and the brother of the latter (Iliad 4.441). … The opposition between the deities is not so much between war as a cosmic, destructive force and ‘civilised warfare’ as between natural power and weaponry. It is Athena’s weapons coupled with her frenzied cry and blazing eyes that make her a deity of war and she possesses power that she could either use or turn off. Ares, meanwhile, is more closely identified with his warlike power, as may be exemplified by the description of the two gods in the Hesiodic Shield of Herakles (191–200). ‘There’, the poem recounts, ‘was baneful Ares the spoil-wearer himself. In his hands he held a spear and he was urging on his foot-soldier, and he was red with blood’. ‘There, too’, the poem continues, ‘was the daughter of Zeus, bringer of spoil [ageleie¯], Tritogeneia. She seemed as though she intended to arm herself for battle, since she held a spear in her hand, and a golden helmet, and the aegis about her shoulders.’ In certain respects, they are described in comparable terms. Ares is the ‘spoil-wearer’ and Athena the ‘bringer of spoil’, but while Ares is covered in blood, Athena is clothed in armour. Ares is little more than the god of war. Athena is warlike when she needs to be, but she is much more besides." (Athena by Susan Deacy)
Something that I’ve noticed isn’t brought up enough when it comes to Clytemnestra is Aegisthus, especially when it comes to people who argue she had done nothing wrong.
This isn’t even about her having an affair, it’s about who it was with and who she married. Aegisthus is the biggest threat to her children and she still took him as a lover and allowed for him to be around them. This is someone who wants the throne and would want for his son to be the heir to the throne instead of Agamemnon’s children.
When Agamemnon was alive, there was a layer of protection her children had, but she took it away when she murdered him.
You can say whatever you want when it comes to Clytemnestra and Agamemnon, but you can’t deny that when it comes to her children, she is in the wrong.
It’s not a crime to like Clytemnestra, so there’s no need to justify how she treated her children with Agamemnon.
In Aeschylus, she exiles Orestes for "protection" (against whom, may I ask her), and in Euripides and Sophocles, she and Aegisthus try killing Orestes
In Aeschylus and Sophocles, she enslaves Electra (and possibly, only on Sophocles, Chrysothemis)
In Euripides and Sophocles, Aegisthus wants to kill Electra, and in neither version she chooses her daughter over her him.
Electra said it herself:
Women give their love to their husbands, stranger, not their children.
Euripides, Electra. Translation by Ian Johnston
IT IS HERE!!! YAY!!! Artemis study time!!!
"And even if we'd been granted freedom, we'd have still felt alone. Because humans are the cause of all this pain. We're creatures who can't seem to love without exploiting" is actually very The house of Atreus coded. If you think about it