do you have an ao3 or somewhere you post your Sirius & Harry fics? I love the ones you already have posted, especially midnight munchies
Hi, thanks for asking! Iâm glad youâre enjoying them :) I think I only have a couple of works on there that havenât already been posted on here, but my AO3 is here: https://archiveofourown.org/users/HJ0519
Day 4 - What is your favorite type of story to read or write for Sirius and Harry?
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Sirius being Harryâs primary parental figure, with him and Harry getting to spend more time together than they did in canon, and Sirius not dying like he did in canon. I donât care whether itâs because Sirius is freed and takes custody of Harry at any point in time, or if itâs because the ficâs circumstances allow for on-the-run Sirius to have more interactions with Harry - I just love seeing them build a relationship with each other and Harry learning that he can rely on Sirius, under any circumstances.
Day 3: What is your favorite canon letter between Sirius and Harry?
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Iâve always loved this one. Harry tried to tell Sirius that heâd just imagined his scar hurting, and Sirius clocked what he was trying to do immediately. âNice try, Harry.â makes me laugh every time:
Nice try, Harry.
I'm back in the country and well hidden. I want you to keep me posted on everything that's going on at Hogwarts. Don't use Hedwig, keep changing owls, and don't worry about me, just watch out for yourself. Don't forget what I said about your scar.
Sirius
Iâm also quite fond of when he sent him a muddy paw print on the day of the Third Task.
Sirius does not get enough credit. He could have led a life of luxury and comfort (the pure bloods weren't forced to become death eaters), but he ran away from his family at sixteen (or 15, based on ur interpretation). He joined a war right out of school and fought for four years in it. It was a war they were losing, ppl were dying and disappearing every other day. Got betrayed by one of his best friends, lost his 2 other best friends, saw a street full of ppl get blown up. He survived 12 years in azkaban, broke out on his own to save his godson, was on the run for 2 years (surviving on rats for parts of it), and then he was willing to immediately join the war again the second voldemort was back. Then he got locked up in the abusive house that he literally ran away from. And then he died trying to protect his godson despite literally being a wanted criminal
While Iâm in the subject, Sirius swimming to England from Azkaban as padfoot and severely malnourished is insane behavior. That man was functioning on nothing but sheer panic when he realized Harry wasnât safe.
When Sirius is asked, why he left, he himself names his parent's pureblood mania. He doesn't say "because they treated me like shit" or "I was forced to marry" or "They wanted me to become a death eater".
It speaks for a strong conviction, that at sixteen Sirius was so done with pureblood supremacy that he chose to leave his whole family behind.
Every time I see a Reddit Post about Harry's best parent and it lists anyone other than Sirius Black, I'm like - the fuck books were you reading?
Dumbledore made it damn clear that he was NOT raising Harry. He didn't even talk to the kid for the first 12 years of his life and had 1 conversation per year until he was setting him up to take over control of a war at 17. He didn't raise him.
Hagrid constantly needed Harry and the trio to be there for HIM not the other way around. Like - can we be serious here? The man let 11 year olds get in trouble for helping him, sent Harry to the Giant Spiders so that "they would understand the story", put the onus of the Buckbeak thing on the kids, didn't help Harry with the tournament at all (HE ONLY HAD HARRY FOLLOW HIM TO THE DRAGONS THAT HE KNEW ABOUT BECAUSE OF JUNIOR), Put the pressure on the Harry/Hermione to take care of his giant brother, etc... like if anything the trio were raising Hagrid, not the other way around.
Remus wasn't around for MOST years - barely took an interest (that Harry to push him for) in third year. Said NOTHING in book 4, only showed up because of Dumbledore in Books 5 and 6... like lets be real. He didn't raise Harry.
The Weasleys - Molly, especially - are seen as "raising Harry" but let's be real, they never sent him letters, never showed him support in any way as he struggled. He spent a total of 16.5 weeks (about 4 months) in TOTAL in ALL of the books. And she didn't raise him - he said in Year 2 because he had to be BROKEN out of and the Weasley do nothing. After he saves Ginny's life, they don't do anything but send him back to that house and only see him 1 day that summer. They knew about the dragons and did nothing - when he was struggling with the tournament, no letters, no comfort. They didn't even talk to the Dursleys until AFTER Sirius died. They were good as his best friends' parents, but they didn't raise him.
Sirius, on the other hand, his FIRST thought after escaping was to check on Harry. He watches over him in Year 3 (and probably year 4). He provides him with what he needs - the threat of him saves Harry the trouble with the Dursleys - when he can't give him the home he wanted to give him. He writes to him, gives him advice, listens to him like a PARENT does. He is the *only* person when Harry thinks "parent" he thinks Sirius in year 4. 2 months and he's already "a parent" despite Harry knowing Lupin, Hagrid, and the Weasleys for longer.
Hi! I was just thinking about what made Hermione come to the conclusion that Sirius wants to live through them. Now I last read OOTP a month ago, but I can't remember anything from the conversation that suggests that he wants to live through them, he only said that they should know how to defend themselves because of the environment that will come and that is why the DA is a good idea. And even if Hermione was influenced by Molly during the summer what makes her think that the DA is a bad idea after Sirius says it's a good idea? He gave valid reasons why it is a good idea. Hermione is very smart but this scene just felt and she felt ooc here.
I know that sometimes JKR used characters like Hermione and Dumbledore as spokespersons about what she wanted the audience to know that's why we get Hermione saying that but if that's what she wanted us to think, she did a poor job because Sirius actually kind of right and it makes Hermione look biased against Sirius.
Same with Dumbledore in that conversation with Harry after Sirius's death and it sucks. She wanted us to think Sirius saw Kreacher as inferior because of his species but that's not true at all. Now, some scenes with Sirius and Kreacher made me uncomfortable and I am not going to lie about it. But Sirius hated Kreacher because he was a part of his abusive childhood and repeated the same bigoted stuff his family thought and let's not forget Sirius only got violent with him when he called Hermione a slur. So Dumbledore saying that just feels so ooc because usually he is so wise (but once i read a meta about him seeing Sirius as Grindelwald and thinking by that meta it gives us an interesting perspective about this conversation as well).
Sorry this is getting long đ . Anyways my point is that none of it makes any sense. It is clear that JKR was biased against Sirius and to show that she brought two other characters down (though these moments can be seen as interesting flaws in them)
Have a lovely day! (Sorry about the long ask, I hope it makes sense)
Honestly, while JKR is a brilliant writer, I also find her fairly reactionary in her writing style. Sirius was one of the most popular characters in the story because she wrote him that way, he inadvertently became more popular than a lot of other characters she preferred because again, she WROTE him that way. Perhaps the creation of a character as multi-faceted and dynamic as Sirius is was entirely by accident, as she really seems to double down on the character assassination as the books go by, but regardless, there's little in the way of canonical proof to suggest that Sirius is trying to live a vicarious life through the kids. Especially cause he's the one who seems to understand what they actually need after all they've been through instead of just patronising them.
Sirius is the only one who takes Harry seriously, he is the only one who tries to not just physically be there like the others, but actually also provide emotional support. He's constantly been doing this since he escaped Azkaban, and at this point, both in the case of Harry generally, and the Weasleys specifically when Arthur was injured, he's repeatedly looking after others at his own personal cost. He gets Ron an Owl, almost tells Harry how to beat a dragon (and that's the kind of stuff Sirius Black simply just goes around knowing, how to take down Dragons), gets Harry his firebolt and Hogsmeade slip. Sirius is generally an emotionally intelligent person, and this is after 12 years of forced isolation from civilisation.
The tragedy of Sirius' arc in OOTP is that there's no one around him who can relate to his experiences. This makes it impossible for Sirius to find the kind of empathy and support he needs from the members of the order. By OOTP, Sirius' mental health, whilst constantly deteriorating is also displayed on technicolour before the entire cast. He's not allowed any secrets, his abusive childhood, his unprocessed grief, years of dementor and solitary confinement related trauma, the fact that he lost his entire twenties, his burgeoning alcoholism is all on display and not spared judgement from the self-righteous members of the Order who did not support him at 21 and are not going to support him at 33.
Furthermore, the narrative repeatedly validates him. He insists that Harry should be told the truth, and he's right, he insists that he can do more instead of just being locked up and left alone and he's right, he wants Snape to restart Harry's lessons and he's right, he repeatedly and actively disagrees with Dumbledore's opaque methods and again, he's right. He gives Harry the two way mirror because Harry needs him to be there, and as Godfather, it is Sirius' responsibility to find a safe way to ensure that happens.
Whilst he's not at his best, he's still trying, he's trying so hard to be what everyone needs him to be even when its contrary to his own instincts and emotional needs which are either dismissed entirely by the people around him or mocked with derogatory catchphrases like "fit of the sullens" that its genuinely heartbreaking that despite him going out of his way to help the Order, not only is his devotion not returned it's barely even acknowledged. They never try to acquit him, there's no mission run by the Order to try and recapture Peter or get Sirius a trial or even an opportunity to give a press conference (which, with the political climate in OOTP would actually be a great way to discredit the ministry), Dumbledore pretty much just locked him in and threw away the key, a circumstance not entirely different from the past 12 years of Sirius' unfortunately short life. An acquitted Sirius would mean a discredited justice system and ministry and also a powerful wizard to run missions again, but this prospect is not even brought up let alone addressed. He gets a posthumous consolation through a footnote in the Daily Prophet, like that could compensate for the trauma and the decade he's lost.
I think it's very binary to put people into boxes and go "this person is only these set of traits and that's all they can be." Sirius is more than his grief for the Potters and love for Harry and years of isolation and torture. He's a brilliant detective, one of the order's most powerful duelists, someone who is blatantly not afraid of calling people out, be it Walburga or Crouch or Dumbledore, someone who despite growing up in a cesspit of bigotry and violence fights for people like Lily Potter and Remus Lupin and Hermione Granger. The guy who barely tolerates Kreacher but is distasteful of Crouch's treatment of Winky. Sirius, like most people, comes with facets and is possibly one of JKR's finest creations. Not that she seemed to realise it herself.
Not that that's surprising.
The most interesting thing about Sirius and Dumbledore, and Dumbledore's repeated refusal to trust Sirius is that unlike pretty much everyone else in the order, Sirius knows that Dumbledore and Grindewald used to be friends. Lily wrote it to him and Sirius read it. If Sirius could figure out the GoF plot while being half starved to death and living in a cave, a free healthy Sirius with a very much alive James Potter would probably have put the whole plot together. I wonder how much that influenced their dynamic in OOTP because whilst the others have nothing on Dumbledore, Sirius does. If Sirius can spare Dumbledore his judgement despite knowing the truth, Dumbledore can get over Sirius being a Black.
Saying that Dumbledore had to trick, force, coerce, manipulate, or anything else along those lines to get the marauders to join the Order of the Phoenix hugely takes away the marauders powerful desire to fight fascism, and their disdain for Voldemortâs rhetoric and those that followed it.
Those are core tenants of who they are.
They, and the rest of the Order, signed up as adults to fight an ideological war that would see the people they loved and cared about killed or, frankly, worse.
âWhat was there to be gained by fighting the most evil wizard who has ever existed?" said Black, with a terrible fury in his face. "Only innocent lives, Peter!"
Iâm not entirely sure what exactly this person is referring to, though Iâm guessing itâs Siriusâs height. But I followed the link as begged and the hilarious thing is: the âMinistry fileâ at this link appears to be a prop from the first Deathly Hallows movie, according to the citation on the wiki page. Whatever theyâre trying to prove, it is indeed just a thing from the movies.
(This is why you check the source of your information before you blast it. The wiki helpfully includes a notes/references section where you can see where the information in the articles comes from.)
Height discourse aside, can we talk about how nonsensical this file prop is? Itâs apparently a Muggleborn Registration Commission file for Sirius that was being kept in Umbridgeâs office in the DH movie. On it, thereâs a section for security status that states: âTracked. All movements are being monitored. Strong likelihood Undesirable Number One will contact.â Did they forget that Sirius died before Harry became âUndesirable Number Oneâ and before the creation of the Muggleborn Registration Commission? Why was this âfileâ even made in the first place?
Sirius Black loved Harry Potter, not James Potterâs son
In the fifth film, thereâs a moment where Harry fires off a spell and Sirius calls ânice one, James!â Itâs an interesting character moment, but not something thatâs seen in the books. And it does a disservice to Harry/Siriusâs relationship as well as Sirius himself to imagine that Sirius simply saw Harry as a James replacement.
Itâs impossible to completely separate Siriusâs relationship with James from Siriusâs relationship with Harry, because without James, thereâs nothing linking their lives together. But I would argue that Sirius did see Harry as his own person and did not see him as a replacement best friend.
Sirius is not a strong authority figure, but he is an authority figure. I would say he falls squarely in the âhelpful uncleâ category. He doesnât treat Harry like a child, but he doesnât treat him like an equal either. He sends him warning letters, (lightly) reprimands him, buys him the broomstick as payback for missed birthdays, etc.Â
Keep in mind Sirius knew Harry as a baby. If you change someoneâs diapers, it takes a few decades to get to the point where you see them as a peer. Â Sirius wanted to take responsibility for Harry as a baby and that heâs fairly quick to ask 13-year-old Harry to live with him in PA. You can argue that he was looking for a James substitute even then, but as illustrated above, he did see Harry as someone for whom he was responsible for protecting/caring for.
In the book version of the Department of Mysteries battle, Sirius doesnât treat Harry like a fellow Order fighter. He goes out of his way to protect Harry and repeatedly tells Harry to get his friends to get out.
[When Harry is facing Dolohov]Â
âSirius had hurtled out of nowhere, rammed Dolohov with his shoulder and sent him flying out of the way.â
[âŚ]
âNice one!â shouted Sirius, forcing Harryâs head down as a pair of Stunning Spells flew towards them. âNow I want you to get out of-â
[âŚ]
âHarry, take the prophecy, grab Neville and run!â Sirius yelled, dashing to meet Bellatrix.
Sirius doesnât view Harry as a dueling partner. He sees him as a 15-year-old kid who, despite his above-average DADA competency, still needs to be protected. Sirius would never tell James to abandon an Order mission, because James is a competent adult and Siriusâs friend. Harry is Siriusâs responsibility.
And yes, part of Siriusâs love for Harry was probably wrapped up in his love for James and his feeling of obligation toward someone who he viewed as a brother. However, that doesnât mean that he didnât love Harry as an individual.Â
Sirius doesnât treat Harry with the kind of removed affection that you treat the loved ones of people that you yourself love. He seems to genuinely care for Harry in his own right.Â
Sirius was pretty solid when it came to understanding Harryâs feelings and knowing instinctively what Harry needed to hear. And since James and Harry have different personalities and very different problems, I donât think Sirius would be as helpful if he was just thinking of Harryâs personality as a carbon copy of James. His ability to connect with Harry shows an understanding of Harry as an individual.Â
If youâre married with a child and your spouse dies, I think itâs possible to find comfort in the personality/physical similarities between your kid and your deceased spouse without necessarily viewing the child as a substitute.Â
Itâs hard to guess Siriusâs ultimate feelings. Iâm sure he saw shadows of his best friend in Harryâs mannerisms and gestures, and I can see that being very comforting to him. However, Iâm not sure he ever saw teenage Harry as a replacement for his old best friend. If Harry/Sirius had had another decade together, I can see the relationship transitioning into a more peer/peer relationship. But thatâs a long way off. Canon Sirius did not view Harry as a peer, he viewed him as an underage teenager for whom Sirius was responsible.
To say that Sirius loved Harry because he was some sort of paltry facsimile of James is to suggest that Sirius only cared for Harry insofar as he replaced James in Siriusâs life. And thatâs simply not true.
He transformed into the great black dog before they left the cave, and they walked back down the mountainside with him, across the boulder-strewn ground, and back to the stile. Here he allowed each of them to pat him on the head, before turning and setting off at a run around the outskirts of the village.
think it is a Very Important detail that sirius as padfoot lets the trio give him head pats as they say goodbye after the cave scene in gof
more important padfoot things, during the kingâs cross trip in ootp:
But the great black dog gave a joyful bark and gamboled around them, snapping at pigeons, and chasing its own tail. Harry couldnât help laughing. Sirius had been trapped inside for a very long time.
he is this delighted after simply having stepped minimally outside of grimmauld place for a few seconds
It took them twenty minutes to reach Kingâs Cross by foot and nothing more eventful happened during that time than Sirius scaring a couple of cats for Harryâs entertainment.
siriusâs method of making his fifteen year old godson laugh is to scare cats. also i guess he doesnât get along with ALL cats, crookshanks is an exception
âNice dog, Harry!â called a tall boy with dreadlocks.
âThanks, Lee,â said Harry, grinning, as Sirius wagged his tail frantically.
sirius wagging his tail frantically when when someone calls him a nice dog LMAO
For one brief moment, the great black dog reared onto its hind legs and placed its front paws on Harryâs shoulders.
trying to give harry a goodbye hug as a dog :(
âSee you!â Harry called out of the open window as the train began to move, while Ron, Hermione, and Ginny waved beside him. The figures of Tonks, Lupin, Moody, and Mr. and Mrs. Weasley shrank rapidly but the black dog was bounding alongside the window, wagging its tail; blurred people on the platform were laughing to see it chasing the train, and then they turned the corner, and Sirius was gone.
sirius coming as padfoot to privet drive to get a first glimpse of harry in poa vs literally chasing after the hogwarts express to get a last glimpse of harry as heâs leaving in ootp
your post on harryâs handwriting was an eye-opener for me! ik his writing resembled his mother some and is decent overall, but iâve never seen pics of it!
idk where the horde of fanfic writers came up with the weird notion that harry has bad/chicken scratch handwriting, which triggers me every. time. they make out his handwriting to be messy, his eating habits sloppy, his speech behaviour bumbling, his appearance unkempt, and that heâs rather messy as a person. which boggles the mind, because heâs used to cleaning up after the dursleys and probably enjoys an orderly space, if not super spic and span??? is it only certain fandoms, cuz they make the other character(s) all elegance personified and well-mannered? like, harry already is a well-mannered boy, otherwise petunia wouldâve been tutting, clucking, and dying of shame even more before the nieghbours lmaoo. idk whether to cry or laugh, and sometimes itâs such a turn-off that i choose to rage quit fics.
please, if you have the time, i would love a thorough breakdown/meta on how harry actually comes across as a person!
Okay, I have so much to say about this. And omg, Harry's chicken scratch handwriting is one of my pet peeves in fics (here's the handwriting post, btw). Harry's characterization when done wrong in general, tbh is a huge turn-off for me. Becouse I love Harry, he's my boy.
So, what we're gonna look at is how other characters in the books perceive Harry, how he comes across in universe to people who can't read his mind (like we can, as the readers).
I'll start with a general note about how most characters in the books don't really know Harry. This is mostly because Harry, contrary to fanon interpretations, is a very private person and rarely talks about himself/his feelings/his thoughts out loud. This is a habit I believe was ingrained into him by the Dursleys.
Like, I mentioned in the past Harry doesn't talk as much as other characters. Scenes of the trio usually consist of mostly Ron and Hermione talking, for example. This is not becouse he doesn't have thoughts (he's quite judgmental inside his head, and we know he has a lot to say), but becouse he's used to not voicing a lot of them thanks to the Dursleys.
This essay turned out pretty long, but here we go:
How do others see Harry?
Harry comes off as confident. Harry is a defiant and courageous person, and this often comes off as confidence to other people. It's why Snape thinks Harry is arrogant and why most students are always sure Harry meant to do what he did. They think he has shit together because he comes off like he does:
Harry stayed silent. Snape was trying to provoke him into telling the truth. He wasnât going to do it. Snape had no proof â yet.
âHow extraordinarily like your father you are, Potter,â Snape said suddenly, his eyes glinting. âHe too was exceedingly arrogant. A small amount of talent on the Quidditch field made him think he was a cut above the rest of us too. Strutting around the place with his friends and admirers . . . The resemblance between you is uncanny.â
âMy dad didnât strut,â said Harry, before he could stop himself. âAnd neither do I.â
(PoA, Ch14)
Snape sees Harry as arrogant, when in fact Harry is just defiant and intelligent.
âBut youâve been too busy saving the Wizarding world,â said Ginny, half laughing. âWell ... I canât say Iâm surprised. I knew this would happen in the end. I knew you wouldnât be happy unless you were hunting Voldemort. Maybe thatâs why I like you so much.â
(HBP, Ch30)
Ginny (and other characters) believe he likes to save the wizarding world. That he is this confident hero and savior. I mean, they believe her lie about the tattoo, which says a lot:
and all Romilda Vane does is ask me if itâs true youâve got a hippogriff tattooed across your chest.â
Ron and Hermione both roared with laughter. Harry ignored them.
âWhat did you tell her?â
âI told her itâs a Hungarian Horntail,â said Ginny, turning a page of the newspaper idly. âMuch more macho.â
(HBP, Ch25)
Harry doesn't see himself as leader material, but it's clear everyone else does:
âI think we ought to elect a leader,â said Hermione.
âHarryâs leader,â said Cho at once, looking at Hermione as though
she were mad, and Harryâs stomach did yet another back flip.
âYes, but I think we ought to vote on it properly,â said Hermione,
unperturbed. âIt makes it formal and it gives him authority. So â
everyone who thinks Harry ought to be our leader?â
Everybody put up their hands, even Zacharias Smith, though he
did it very halfheartedly.
âEr â right, thanks,â said Harry, who could feel his face burning.
(OotP, Ch18)
Neville Longbottom, who gave a roar of delight, leapt down from
the mantelpiece and yelled. âI knew youâd come! I knew it, Harry!â
(DH, Ch28)
âLook who it is! Didnât I tell you?â
As Harry emerged into the room beyond the passage, there were several screams and yells: âHARRY!â âItâs Potter, itâs POTTER!â âRon!â âHermione!â
[...]
âAre you all right, Harry?â Neville was saying. âWant to sit down? I expect youâre tired, arenâtâ?â
âNo,â said Harry. He looked at Ron and Hermione, trying to tell them without words that Voldemort has just discovered the loss of one of the other Horcruxes. Time was running out fast: If Voldemort chose to visit Hogwarts next, they would miss their chance.
âWe need to get going,â he said, and their expression told him that they understood.
âWhat are we going to do, then, Harry?â asked Seamus. âWhatâs the plan?â
âPlan?â repeated Harry. He was exercising all his willpower to prevent himself succumbing again to Voldemortâs rage: His scar was still burning. âWell, thereâs something weâRon, Hermione, and Iâneed to do, and then weâll get out of here.â
Nobody was laughing or whooping anymore. Neville looked confused.
(DH, Ch29)
Everyone expected Harry in DH to have a plan of attack the moment he arrived because that's how he acts. Even in the above scene, he's in terrible pain from his scar, but the others don't see it. What they see is a Harry who looks exhausted but says no to rest because there's work to be done and they expect this of him. They see someone fearless and capable with a plan who could lead them, but this isn't what we see because we're inside his head.
How Harry doesn't speak much and acts overall quite distant, as in, he actively avoids the girls who fancy him:
Then he blinked and looked around: He was surrounded by mesmerized girls.
âHi, Harry!â said a familiar voice from behind him.
âNeville!â said Harry in relief, turning to see a round-faced boy struggling toward him
(HBP, Ch7)
And he only has two close friends and barley knows the other students in his year. Most students only know Harry Potter from the stories, rumors, and Dumbledore's end-of-the-year speeches about his heroism. They have no clue who the real Harry is â so they expect the hero they do hear about.
He stands his ground a lot (again, defiance):
Harry turned to McLaggen to tell him that, most unfortunately, Ron had beaten him, only to find McLaggenâs red face inches from his own. He stepped back hastily.
âHis sister didnât really try,â said McLaggen menacingly. There was a vein pulsing in his temple like the one Harry had often admired in Uncle Vernonâs. âShe gave him an easy save.â
âRubbish,â said Harry coldly. âThat was the one he nearly missed.â
(HBP, Ch11)
And more often than not, he does so coldly and calmly. A lot of his more fiery anger is a sign of trauma with Harry, his baseline anger reaction is cold.
All of this adds to him appearing to others as controlled, confident, and like he has everything together and could never have any issues. He comes off as this bigger than life person to most people. Snape isn't the only one who reads Harry's behavior as confident. But it's actually far from the truth.
We, as the readers, see how depressed Harry is. How lowly he thinks of himself and how much he doesn't think of himself as anything special when he very clearly is. But the fact he doesn't say any of it and has mastered the skill of acting cold and like everything is fine when he literally wants to die at the age of 5, no one knows. Even Ron and Hermione didn't truly realize the full extent of Harry's low self-worth until 5th year.
The other students are shocked to see Harry as angry as he is in book 5 because he's often way more controlled and well-mannered than that. They're used to seeing him cold and quiet, not firey. Most of his fire stays inside his head unless he's really angry or emotional in general (or traumatized):
Professor Umbridge sat down behind her desk again. Harry, however, stood up. Everyone was staring at him; Seamus looked half-scared, half-fascinated.
âHarry, no!â Hermione whispered in a warning voice, tugging at his sleeve, but Harry jerked his arm out of her reach.
âSo, according to you, Cedric Diggory dropped dead of his own accord, did he?â Harry asked, his voice shaking.
There was a collective intake of breath from the class, for none of them, apart from Ron and Hermione, had ever heard Harry talk about what had happened on the night that Cedric had died. They stared avidly from Harry to Professor Umbridge
(OotP, Ch12)
The shock of the other students, I believe, is because of what he's saying, yes, but it's also because Harry is behaving very unlike him here. He usually doesn't shout at teachers or anyone, really. He rarely speaks in classes actually.
And regarding his confidence, everyone, Ron and Hermione included, was sure Harry is super skilled and that that's how he evaded Voldemort:
âYou donât know what itâs like! You â neither of you â youâve never had to face him, have you? You think itâs just memorizing a bunch of spells and throwing them at him, like youâre in class or something? The whole time you know thereâs nothing between you and dying except your own â your own brain or guts or whatever â like you can think straight when you know youâre about a second from being murdered, or tortured, or watching your friends die â theyâve never taught us that in their classes, what itâs like to deal with things like that â and you two sit there acting like Iâm a clever little boy to be standing here, alive, like Diggory was stupid, like he messed up â you just donât get it, that could just as easily have been me, it would have been if Voldemort hadnât needed me ââ
âWe werenât saying anything like that, mate,â said Ron, looking
aghast. âWe werenât having a go at Diggory, we didnât â youâve got the wrong end of the ââ
He looked helplessly at Hermione, whose face was stricken.
(OotP, Ch15)
They didn't for a second think he wasn't confident in his own abilities because Harry acts in a way that comes off as confident and capable. It's why everyone so easily accepts him as a leader under various circumstances. He acts level-headed while he's terrified, so everyone thinks he knows what he's doing except Harry (and the reader). Ron and Hermione had zero doubts Harry's skill was a big part of why he survived book 4, it's only Harry who doesn't think that.
The fact Snape bothered to extract his own memories during his Occlumancy lessons goes to show how he thinks Harry is talented, contrary to his words. He feared Harry would reverse the connection and see into his mind, otherwise he wouldn't have taken these precautions.
Think of Voldemortâs resurrection even. Inside his mind, we know Harry's terrified. We know he has no idea what he's doing.
But imagine being a Death Eater in the crowd and you see this 14-year-old kid stand up after being Crucio-ed by their lord, and he stands up, resists the imperius, and shouts at your lord like he thinks of himself as equal to him â or, perhaps, better than him:
âI asked you whether you want me to do that again,â said Voldemort softly. âAnswer me! Imperio!â
[...]
I WONâT!â
And these words burst from Harryâs mouth; they echoed through the graveyard, and the dream state was lifted as suddenly as though cold water had been thrown over him â back rushed the aches that the Cruciatus Curse had left all over his body â back rushed the realization of where he was, and what he was facing. . . .
âYou wonât?â said Voldemort quietly, and the Death Eaters were
not laughing now.
(GoF, Ch34)
That's pretty badass. Harry comes off like a confidant badass. And he gets more badass and confident as he matures (even if he isn't actually as confident as he appears).
Even in the DoM, Lucius Malfoy, who was in the graveyard, takes Harry seriously:
âDonât do anything,â he [Harry] muttered. âNot yet ââ
The woman who had mimicked him let out a raucous scream of laughter.
âYou hear him? You hear him? Giving instructions to the other children as though he thinks of fighting us!â
âOh, you donât know Potter as I do, Bellatrix,â said Malfoy softly.
âHe has a great weakness for heroics; the Dark Lord understands this about him. Now give me the prophecy, Potter.â
(OotP, Ch35)
Bellatrix makes fun of how Harry gives the other kids orders as if they're going to fight, but Lucius knows better, he knows Harry is going to fight, and I think, he's scared of what would happen when he does. Even Bellatrix quickly starts taking Harry more seriously:
âOh, he knows how to play, little bitty baby Potter,â she said, her
mad eyes staring through the slits in her hood. âVery well, then ââ
(OotP, Ch35)
And she changes her tone completely after he casts a Crucio at her:
âNever used an Unforgivable Curse before, have you, boy?â she
yelled. She had abandoned her baby voice now.
(OotP, Ch36)
His aura is one of competence and confidence even when he's frightened and has no idea what he's doing. Especially when he's frightened and has no idea what he's doing.
And for the most part, he doesn't come off nearly as judgmental as he actually is, because he doesn't say a lot of what he thinks. We only see him start to actually speak his mind and be more sassy out loud around 5th and 6th year. And even then, his highly judgmental physical descriptions stay part of his narration, they aren't spoken:
âThatâs the bell,â said Harry listlessly, because Ron and Hermione were bickering too loudly to hear it. They did not stop arguing all the way down to Snapeâs dungeon, which gave Harry plenty of time to reflect that between Neville and Ron he would be lucky ever to have two minutesâ conversation with Cho that he could look back on without wanting to leave the country.
(OotP, Ch12)
Ron and Hermione banter while Harry feels done with them, but he doesn't really say anything or complain. He keeps a lot of his thoughts inside his head.
If we look at how Ron, Hermione, and Sirius see Harry, they're the closest to who Harry actually is as these three know Harry best. (They're also more objective than Harry who looks down on himself)
After the book 5 conversation I mentioned above, Ron and Hermione are more aware of Harry's insecurities, but they find them silly. They see Harry as incredibly capable and skilled:
âDid he?â said Harry. Behind him he felt rather than heard Hermione passing his message to the others and he sought to keep talking, to distract the Death Eaters.
(OotP, Ch35)
âWhat are we going to do with them?â Ron whispered to Harry through the dark; then, even more quietly, âKill them? Theyâd kill us. They had a good go just now.â
Hermione shuddered and took a step backward. Harry shook his head.
âWe just need to wipe their memories,â said Harry.
(DH, Ch9)
When danger comes, everyone's instantly following Harry's lead. Harry's the planner when the situation is dangerous, he calls the shots, not Hermione. Hermione and Ron look to Harry for a plan when things get tough, and Harry always figures something out. Now, we see Harry thinking he has no idea what to do:
He could not think what to do but to keep talking. Nevilleâs arm was pressed against his, and he could feel him shaking. He could feel one of the otherâs quickened breath on the back of his head. He was hoping they were all thinking hard about ways to get out of this, because his mind was blank.
(OotP, Ch35)
But Ron and Hermione don't. No one does. They just see Harry coming up with a plan to save them. Every time. They don't see him wracking his brain for a way to keep everyone alive.
Hermione never considers Harry stupid, not even in first year:
âIâm not as good as you,â said Harry, very embarrassed, as she let go of him.
âMe!â said Hermione. âBooks! And cleverness! There are more important things â friendship and bravery and â oh Harry â be careful!â
(PS, Ch16)
And Ron clearly doesn't expect stupid behavior from Harry. He's surprised and shocked when Harry does something he considers stupid:
âWhat the hell,â panted Ron, holding up the Horcrux, which swung backward and forward on its shortened chain in some parody of hypnosis, âdidnât you take this thing off before you dived?â
(DH, 19)
Both Ron and Hermione trust Harry's opinion and they trust him to know what to do when shit hits the fan. When things are dangerous, both Ron and Hermione (and everyone else) turn to Harry to know what to do becouse that's the aura he has:
âIâd tell him weâre all with him in spirit,â said Lupin, then hesitated slightly. âAnd Iâd tell him to follow his instincts, which are good and nearly always right.â
Harry looked at Hermione, whose eyes were full of tears.
âNearly always right,â she repeated.
(DH, Ch22)
Hermione agrees with Lupin's assessment here. Dumbledore did too, he's the one who told Kingsley and Remus to trust Harry's instincts. Harry doesn't give the impression he's messy and bumbling, quite the opposite. Yes, Harry and Hermione have their doubts, they don't agree with Harry on everything, especially when he has no evidence for his claim except his intuition. But, it's telling Harry can make claims based on gut feeling and Ron and Hermione ask him why he thinks that instead of just instantly rejecting the claims.
Like I mentioned above, he looks like he has his shit together even when he really doesn't. He's an expert in keeping a mask on and bottling up his feelings.
Sirius, also sees Harry as mature and capable for his age. It's why he's so insistent on telling him things while Molly wants to cuddle Harry:
âI donât intend to tell him more than he needs to know, Molly,â said Sirius. âBut as he was the one who saw Voldemort come backâ (again, there was a collective shudder around the table at the name), âhe has more right than most to ââ
âHeâs not a member of the Order of the Phoenix!â said Mrs. Weasley. âHeâs only fifteen and ââ
ââ and heâs dealt with as much as most in the Order,â said Sirius, âand more than some ââ
âNo oneâs denying what heâs done!â said Mrs. Weasley, her voice rising, her fists trembling on the arms of her chair. âBut heâs stillââ
âHeâs not a child!â said Sirius impatiently.
(OotP, Ch5)
Between them, Sirius sees Harry more accurately. Harry is incredibly mature and capable and wants to be in the know. He'd be better off in the know. Sirius understands Harry's curiosity which Molly seems unaware of. Lupin also remarks on how Harry is going to find out things anyway, he's aware of how curious and determined Harry is. Sirius considers Harry capable even during PoA and GoF:
I know better than anyone that you can look after yourself and while youâre around Dumbledore and Moody I donât think anyone will be able to hurt you.
(GoF, Ch18)
Molly, on the other hand, never really sees Harry's capabilities. Molly only ever sees a polite, intelligent kid. In the early years at the Weasley, Harry barely talks to Molly and Arthur because he doesn't really know how to talk to them. So they talk to him, the other Weasleys talk around him, and he's polite in turn:
âI donât blame you, dear,â she assured Harry, tipping eight or nine
sausages onto his plate. âArthur and I have been worried about you, too. Just last night we were saying weâd come and get you ourselves if you hadnât written back to Ron by Friday. But reallyâ (she was now adding three fried eggs to his plate), âflying an illegal car halfway across the country â anyone could have seen you ââ
(CoS, Ch3)
Harry acts around most adults like this, especially when younger. It's clear he acted this way around his teachers too:
âYou see what you expect to see, Severus,â said Dumbledore, without raising his eyes from a copy of Transfiguration Today. âOther teachers report that the boy is modest, likable, and reasonably talented. Personally, I find him an engaging child.â
(DH, Ch33)
Snape got it a bit different. Because Harry is defiant and sassy â it's how he responds to the Dursleys, and this is how he responds to threats he can't do anything about in general. Sass. It's why we see Harry do this with Umbridge, Snape, and Scrimgeour:
Who do you imagine wants to attack children like yourselves?â
inquired Professor Umbridge in a horribly honeyed voice.
âHmm, letâs think . . .â said Harry in a mock thoughtful voice,
âmaybe Lord Voldemort?â
(OotP, Ch12)
âDo you remember me telling you we are practicing nonverbal spells, Potter?â
âYes,â said Harry stiffly.
âYes, sir.â
âThereâs no need to call me âsir,â Professor.â
(HBP, Ch9)
â...You may wear that scar like a crown, Potter, but it is not up to a seventeen-year-old boy to tell me how to do my job! Itâs time you learned some respect!â
âItâs time you earned it.â said Harry.
(DH, Ch7)
Harry appears confidant and arrogant not only to Snape but to Scrimgeour too (I think other students at Hogwarts see Harry as arrogant too. His demeanor can come off as arrogant if you don't know what he's thinking. It's why they could believe the Daily Prophet, it fit what they got to see). It's because he is rude and sassy when speaking his mind. It's because he acts more confident when he's terrified. It's because he's cold, distant, and uncaring towards most people and actively avoids talking to most.
And even that's mostly when he's older. In 4th year, he responds to Snape by glaring at him silently and wishing he could cast a Crucio at him:
Harry sat there staring at Snape as the lesson began, picturing
horrific things happening to him. . . . If only he knew how to do
the Cruciatus Curse . . . heâd have Snape flat on his back like that
spider, jerking and twitching. . . .
(GoF, Ch18)
Harry is overall really quiet, which does create the impression of him being put together. More than he thinks of himself, for sure. It also adds to why many students feel as comfortable talking about him as they do because he feels distant to them. His quiet makes him feel mysterious, unknown, and far away. Like a symbol rather than a person.
Something I want to note, specifically with Umbridge, is this scene:
Harry looked around at Umbridge. She was watching him, her wide, toadlike mouth stretched in a smile.
âYes?â
âNothing,â said Harry quietly.
He looked back at the parchment, placed the quill upon it once more, wrote I must not tell lies, and felt the searing pain on the back of his hand for a second time; once again the words had been cut into his skin, once again they healed over seconds later.
(OotP, Ch13)
Part of why Harry comes off as such a put-together badass is that he doesn't let others see his pain. He doesn't show he's in pain to others, especially when it's people he doesn't like. He acts though, constantly.
He hates crying in front of others becouse Harry does everything he can to not appear weak:
Harry suddenly realized that there were tears on his face mingling with the sweat. He bent his face as low as possible, wiping them off on his robes, pretending to do up his shoelace, so that Lupin wouldnât see.
(PoA, Ch12)
And it works, people see him as confident, and capable, and heroic. Most people don't see the struggle because Harry keeps bottling it in.
Even with Hermione, he tries not to let her see how upset he actually is. We know in his head, that he is devastated by his wand breaking, that he's mourning it like it was a dead loved one, but this is what he's willing to show Hermione:
âIt was an accident,â said Harry mechanically. He felt empty, stunned. âWeâllâweâll find a way to repair it.â
[...]
âWell,â he said, in a falsely matter-of-fact voice, âwell, Iâll just borrow yours for now, then. While I keep watch.â
(DH, Ch17)
All this means, we, as the readers , see Harry's pain, his struggles, his vulnerability â but the other characters almost never do.
The only character who is consistently aware of Harry's struggles is Sirius who Harry confides his weaknesses to more than any other character:
âNever mind me, how are you?â said Sirius seriously.
âIâm ââ For a second, Harry tried to say âfineâ â but he couldnât
do it. Before he could stop himself, he was talking more than heâd
talked in days
(GoF, Ch19)
Harry is so used to saying his fine and bearing his burdens in silence. It's what he does. It's what he did for years. Most characters think Harry is unshakable because that's how he acts.
Even when Harry tries to lie so Sirius won't worry, Sirius sees through it:
Nice try, Harry.
Iâm back in the country and well hidden. I want you to keep
me posted on everything thatâs going on at Hogwarts.
(GoF, Ch15)
As for his room and appearance, he is a little messy actually when he has the chance to be in seventh year:
Harry had spent the morning completely emptying his school trunk for the first time since he had packed it six years ago. At the start of the intervening school years, he had merely skimmed off the topmost three quarters of the contents and replaced or updated them, leaving a layer of general debris at the bottomâold quills, desiccated beetle eyes, single socks that no longer fit.
(DH, Ch2)
As in, his trunk is a bit of a mess. But this makes sense, I think. He allows himself to be messy when he doesn't have the Dursleys over his head. It's like a sort of freedom he didn't have before, so he indulges in it. I think the mess in his trunk is also a result of him actually living from it for 6 years, as he couldn't really leave everything at home with the Dursleys, could he? Still, his room and belongings are nowhere near as messy as Ron's.
As for his appearance, the only thing mentioned to be messy is his hair:
His jet-black hair, however, was just as it always had been â stubbornly untidy, whatever he did to it
(PoA, Ch1)
But from other characters (including Hermione) thinking Harry's hot:
âOh, come on, Harry,â said Hermione, suddenly impatient. âItâs
not Quidditch thatâs popular, itâs you! Youâve never been more interesting, and frankly, youâve never been more fanciable.â
(HBP, Ch11)
We can conclude Harry's messy hair comes off as cool and attractive and not like a bird's nest.
We also see from Hermione and others that Harry looks scary. He is 5'11 by book 6 with an intimidating glare and that he looks like he can throw a punch, (and can definitely throw a punch when he wants to). So he has a physical intimidation factor when older:
âWell, itâs like Hagrid said, they can look after themselves,â said Hermione impatiently, âand I suppose a teacher like Grubbly-Plank wouldnât usually show them to us before N.E.W.T. level, but, well, they are very interesting, arenât they? The way some people can see them and some canât! I wish I could.â
âDo you?â Harry asked her quietly. She looked horrorstruck.
âOh Harry â Iâm sorry â no, of course I donât â that was a really stupid thing to say ââ
(OotP, Ch21)
Harry was not aware of releasing George, all he knew was that a second later both of them were sprinting at Malfoy. He had completely forgotten the fact that all the teachers were watching: All he wanted to do was cause Malfoy as much pain as possible. With no time to draw out his wand, he merely drew back the fist clutching the Snitch and sank it as hard as he could into Malfoyâs stomach â
âHarry! HARRY! GEORGE! NO!â
He could hear girlsâ voices screaming, Malfoy yelling, George swearing, a whistle blowing, and the bellowing of the crowd around him, but he did not care, not until somebody in the vicinity yelled âIMPEDIMENTA!â and only when he was knocked over backward by the force of the spell did he abandon the attempt to punch every inch of Malfoy he could reach. . . .
(OotP, Ch19)
To summarise
Harry bottles up a lot of his emotions and tends to be quiet, this creates the often wrong impression he is confident and has his shit together.
He doesn't show pain and weakness to others and doesn't cry or show he's upset to basically anyone (except Sirius). This means basically no one sees his struggles or how depressed and traumatized Harry actually is. It even surprises Ron and Hermione in book 5.
He is defiant and rude to people he doesn't like, especially when scared, the result is that he appears like a very capable and confident badass especially when under pressure.
He can be intimidating with his glare alone and once he's older he is a physical presence. He's not someone who can disappear in a crowd post-book 5.
His rudeness oftentimes stays in his head except when someone really annoys him. This makes him appear defiant, but overall polite because he keeps most of his mean comments to himself.
When younger, he is very polite and quiet, especially toward adults. When he's older, he gets a little sassier (as in, he says some of his internal monologue out loud). But he is a polite, well-mannered kid for the most part.
The character who has a messy room, is a bit of a slob, has chicken scratch handwriting, and is lazy with schoolwork, is Ronald Weasley, who I love dearly, but these descriptions have nothing to do with Harry and everything to do with Ron.
The only unkempt thing about Harry's appearance is likely his Potter hair, which is more messy hot than messy bad (if all the girls' reactions are anything to go by).
so why donât we ever talk about Kingsley shacklebolt and Sirius?? those two honestly have one of the most iconic friendships in the series based off of these interactions alone:
first of all, kingsley badass-auror shacklebolt, literally the guy in charge of the hunt for sirius black has been leading the ministry on a wild goose chase in Tibet for weeks. and as if that werenât enough,
my man kingsley first of all plastered his entire cubicle with pictures of sirius black, when we know specifically that the aurors in other cubicles chose to decorate with posters and pictures of their families, to the point that it is mildly alarming. and letâs not forget the glory that is
in which Kingsley tells Harry to give Sirius a magazine that is supposed to be Important Evidence Research for him to read Just For Funzies because he thought he might enjoy it. and then proceeds to refer to weapons as âfirelegsâ before promising arthur to come over later for meatballs. my man knew EXACTLY what he was saying, how much do you wanna be he said âfirelegsâ just to a) grind Arthurâs gears or b) at least give him and sirius a lil chuckle later. this all gets even better if you believe the popular hc that kingsley was the marauderâs other dorm mate, meaning he was probably friends with sirius and knew what he would find amusing. anyway, Kingsley Shacklebolt is vastly underrated and how dare we forget about him
We talk about it all the time, but Sirius going out of his way to catch a glimpse of Harry once heâd broken out of Azkaban is the epitome of who he is and what he cares about most.
In POA one of the most important plot points is "how did Sirius Black keep his sanity in Azkaban" and then people want to make him some helpless incapable idiot and explain it with "he is traumatized lol" when actually the interesting thing about Sirius is that despite everything he went through, he was still smart, skilled, loving, passionate, responsible, resourceful and resilient.