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[iamphobephobic]

@lotyba

"For example, transgender girls, just like cisgender girls, preferred to be friends with other girls and they tended to prefer toys and foods that other girls liked."

Is that really internalized sexism?

[lotyba]

You believe that there are certain FOODS that if you like them, it proves you are a girl rather than a boy?

[iamphobephobic5]

Of course not. Isolated traits aren’t indicative of gender at all. Anyone can prefer certain foods, friends, toys, whatever.

This isn’t a predictive study, where the results say “if you like pineapple you are more likely to have woman energy™.” What I’m interpreting is that the overall patterns of behavior support the idea of a shared psychological characteristic (gender identity), especially considering that the trans kids already self identified as trans.

You asked how could a transwoman simply be a woman without any other shared characteristics. This study proves that there are other shared characteristics.

[lotyba]

But how? How are you saying that? If you're saying any preference or behavior is not indicative of anything, but if you do enough of the ones you've decided are "woman psychology behavior patterns" that proves you share those patterns with women. That's still just sexism.

The only way that works is if you are saying those preferences for toys and (I can't even imagine *what*) foods, etc are a 'woman pattern,' and that is literally sexism. Those preferences are not shared by every woman or even most women. They are stereotypes, and since I can't even imagine what kind of food you would put in a category of 'things boys like' vs 'things girls like,' they are not even culturally common stereotypes.

@iamphobephobic5

[iamphobephobic]

@lotyba

"For example, transgender girls, just like cisgender girls, preferred to be friends with other girls and they tended to prefer toys and foods that other girls liked."

Is that really internalized sexism?

[lotyba]

You believe that there are certain FOODS that if you like them, it proves you are a girl rather than a boy?

[vriskarights-deactivated2023012]

Fucking coquette ddlg girls being like yOuRe ShAmInG mE fOr LiKiNg SeX actually I'm trying to give you a wakeup call before Herbert the pervert strangles u to death and the legal system let's him walk free because ""you wanted it"" so jot that down

[asukam]

Does this man think this never happens lmfao

[harlotfilth-deactivated20260210]

@return-of-the-blech

Killer’s sentence commuted from murder to manslaughter/culpable homicide due to claiming ‘rough sex defence’:

- Sophie Moss

- Anna Florence Reed

- Laura Huteson

- Chloe Miazek

- Hannah Pearson

- Natalie Connolly

- Lisa Jane Lyttle

- Virginja Jurkiene

- Jennie Banner

- Anna Banks

- Mandy Barclay

- Janet O’Donoghue

- Margaret Cunningham

- Honor Matthews

- Janet Willoughby

- Dorothy McGran

- Vivian Scott

- Carole Califano

Killer found not guilty/no charges brought due to claiming ‘rough sex defence’:

- Dawn Warburton

- Belinda Dalby

- Sonia [last name withheld]

- Lorraine Thomspon

- Pat Malone

& this is just the British women

Source: https://wecantconsenttothis.uk

[scumbhag]

[scumbhag]

[angrrrl]

This reminds me of something

Pictures from the 80's protests during the AIDS crisis. A real, actual epidemic that killed millions (and continues to kill thousands every year) and was considered the "gay disease". People wouldn't even shake the hand of an outed gay man because they believed all gays were infected and it could be transfered via touch. It was mainly lesbian feminists of the time who took care of gay men.

"Transgender genocide" is nothing but fearmongering, made up BS. Transgender people have the same if not a LOWER rate than the general population for murder. I dont want to fucking hear it!!!!!! Trans "activism" is nothing but homophobia and misogyny with regressive stereotypes and ideals.

[owls-garden-deactivated20231123]

Not one original idea in trans activism

[midwifepilled]

“trans exclusionary radical feminist” but nobody is excluding trans identified males, it’s simply that males .. being males .. and doing male stuff has literally nothing to do with feminism … you simply have no place here …

there is nothing needed from males here and there is nothing here we can exclude you from since your participation was and never will be necessary ….

we aren’t excluding you, our ideology has always aimed to keep you out intrinsically! it is only when you demand entry we are viewed as “exclusive” for reiterating we actually never needed or wanted you here.

[iamphobephobic5]

Feminism is a movement for gender equality. It’s a movement for women’s oppression. Trans women are oppressed, harrassed, assaulted, and more. Why can’t you see any reason for sympathy?

[plgsvyer]

What logic or sympathy would there be in asking a group organized to help one political cause to instead split their focus, because you've decided that their entire reason for existing isn't a good enough reason for you on its own? That's not very sympathetic of you. In fact it's entitled, demanding, cruel, and is actually on the big list of the Rules of Misogyny. It's rule 5. Rule 3 too.

What makes it this group's job to do that? Especially since this additional job you want them to do for you would include opposite purposes to their own? Women fought for separate facilities for safety and separate groups in order to organize, and trans women organize, protest, and assault women in order to undo those gains. You are literally protesting women's right to separate organizing in this literal conversation. Clearly, there would be no logic in feminists working against their own aims.

[iamphobephobic5]

What logic or sympathy would there be in asking a group organized to help one political cause to instead split their focus, because you’ve decided that their entire reason for existing isn’t a good enough reason for you on its own?

I didn’t want to say this initially because I know how you will react, but trans women are women and their issues are women’s issues too. They deal with similar harrassment over being inferior to men and have similar high levels of sexual abuse. I believe these issues are interconnected, so that’s why I believe transphobia falls under the cause of feminism. We get rid of all bigotry, or none at all.

It’s rule 5.

Asking to address another issue is not me distracting from other issues. Addressing rape does not distract from the wage gap.

Rule 3 too.

I never said or implied this. I asked for sympathy. 

Women fought for separate facilities for safety and separate groups in order to organize, and trans women organize, protest, and assault women in order to undo those gains.

If black women are turned away from women’s facilities, then they have a right to protest. To me, trans women have that same right. 

You are literally protesting women’s right to separate organizing in this literal conversation.

Because trans women are women, that wouldn’t go against women’s right to separate facilities.

[lotyba]

Yours is a linguistic argument, not one based on describing reality. Some men have a psychological desire to be women or be seen as women. You have decided to call these men women. That is obviously inaccurate unless you are redefining women, which women have not agreed to. Which is rule 8. You have also given no reason for doing such a thing.

They are still adult human males, not adult human females. You are aware of this. They still have a statistically much, much higher level of strength and statistically much, much higher propensity for violence than women, which is the reason women have separate spaces to begin with. Hrt doesn't change that, and there is no requirement for a man to be medicating in order for him to call himself transgender anyway.

You may not think sex or sex-based rights matter, but that is why men who agree with you have no place in organizing to defend those spaces and rights, and they don't want to either. They are actively dismantling them.

Any space where a man can self identify in immediately becomes a mixed sex space. That means there are no separate facilities. Both are open to any men. You are also aware of this. It's quite obvious. In many places the women's room has become an 'All Gender' bathroom because of these men. So yes, this means they have single-handedly removed these women's spaces. They have put men who have committed sex crimes against women and who have brutally murdered women into locked jail cells with women. Statistically the amount of women who commit violent/sex crimes is negligible. So these men have put much stronger, much more horrifically violent men into prisons with women serving time for fraud or theft or prostitution. That is a circumstance that is literally a war crime.

A black woman is not a man. This is also obvious, so the only reason you would claim a black woman's exclusion is like excluding a man from a space for women is some kind of horrific racism that you need to fucking deal with... No woman entering a woman's space makes it a mixed sex space. You know what human sexes are, and yes all males always and everywhere are still male no matter what they think or say. Any other suggestion is absurd. 0 cannot equal 1.

And NO, men do not have the right to *assault* women because they don't want women to have sex specific spaces and sex-based rights for safety. That seems like feminism to you? You literally think feminism is beating women in the streets...?? I can't even.

Putting women in statistically higher danger of rape or murder is not working for women's rights. It is actively dismantling them. Assaulting women in an effort to end sex-based spaces that women have for safety is not feminism. You are at cross purposes with feminism. You are literally pro-assaulting women according to your last post.

So no, feminism is not for men who assault women. You've proven you are not interested in women's rights or safety.

[iamphobephobic5]

That is obviously inaccurate unless you are redefining women, which women have not agreed to. 

You don’t represent all women. Plenty of women exist who support trans women. 

Besides, many cultures have allowed trans people to exist in the past. So I believe re-introducing would be a more accurate label.

You have also given no reason for doing such a thing.

The reason is that these identities are very similar to sexuality. They are deeply ingrained and cannot be changed (source 1, source 2). And most importantly, being forced to repress these identities leads to a high suicide rate, which is reduced in welcoming environments. Human lives are the reason. (source 1, source 2, source 3)

They still have a statistically much, much higher level of strength and statistically much, much higher propensity for violence than women, which is the reason women have separate spaces to begin with.

There is no evidence that suggests men are trying to larp as trans in order to harrass women. “This study provides evidence that fears of increased safety and privacy violations as a result of nondiscrimination laws are not empirically grounded” (Source)

In many places the women’s room has become an ‘All Gender’ bathroom because of these men.

Provide a source please. I cannot believe that buildings are converting only women’s bathrooms into All Gender bathrooms and leaving men’s bathrooms alone en masse without actual statistical evidence.

They have put men who have committed sex crimes against women and who have brutally murdered women into locked jail cells with women.

I won’t deny that the decision to move some of the trans criminals presents a danger to women. That does present a problem. However, this isn’t the black and white issue you think it is. Not all trans inmates are the exceptionally violent criminals that make the headlines. They don’t pose the same threat to women. 

But more importantly, their lives are in danger if they are kept in all-male prisons. One trans woman was raped 14 times by both inmates and staff. (Source 1, Source 2)

A black woman is not a man

The reason why I made this comparison is to show why I think you are being unfair. I’m saying that denying a black woman access women’s spaces is a terrible thing. How is that racist?

And NO, men do not have the right to *assault* women because they don’t want women to have sex specific spaces and sex-based rights for safety

I don’t condone assault.

Is it too much to ask that you don’t assume I’m an emotionless monster who has no regard for women’s safety? I want to have a productive conversation about this, but it seems like you are taking every opportunity to reconfigure my arguments in the worst ways. I’m just trying to do my best.

[lotyba]

So your reason why men who want to be women are in fact women is because 1) they feel they want to be women over a long period of time more or less consistently (which is debatable at best) and 2) because they will kill themselves if other people don't redefine half of the human race for them?

How would either of those prove that they are women? Neither of those points is a characteristic of being a woman.

[iamphobephobic]

In this source, they tested a gender association test on a group of trans kids and a group of cis kids. 

“Overall, data from the various measures indicated that transgender children’s responses were indistinguishable from those of two groups of cisgender children.”

This proves that gender identity is a trait that develops in both cis and trans people. In other words, it is a characteristic shared by trans women and cis women. 

[lotyba]

What does that prove? It doesn't give examples of what ideas/concepts/elements/etc they were associating with themselves, and their ability to feel strongly toward one set of socialized options versus the other set of socialized options doesn't have anything to do with anything. It's all sexist window dressing. You can teach children to internalize sexism and that they need to decide if they want the pink box or the blue box, the same as you can teach them about santa claus and jesus; this isn't news to me.

An intense desire to be a woman is still not a characteristic of women.

A personal assiciation with sexist ideas about 'what a woman is' is not an inherent characteristic of being a woman. It's just sexism.

[neopetdestroyer]

[feminist-bitches-only]

you can’t just leave this in the tags,,,

[whimsicall-witxh-deactivated202]

[halcyandaze]

It hurts after a while. Pronouns are important.

Just trying to find a way to explain some of the aspects of closeted gender dysphoria to those who do not understand.

[lotyba]

This is actually insane. If it bothers you, you need cognitive behavioral therapy or something, and I will tell you why.

I actually have a very simple name that is similar to another, much more common name. My entire life people have gotten it wrong and called me the more common name. The same ppl I see, day in and day out. Every job I've ever had, I've had people who get it wrong every single day. People who get it wrong consistently. No matter how many times you correct them. And guess what? You GET OVER IT!

So if this comic seems accurate to you? You're being ridiculous.

[desistancejourney]

Living as a fat person and being ridiculed and made to hate myself and my body my whole life is directly connected to what I called my "gender dysphoria". I wanted my body to be smaller and I felt my body was disgusting. And it's not like I let go of the shame I felt about my fat body when I identified as trans, but hating and disconnecting from your body was normalized for me when I was among other trans people. I could fantasize about making my body smaller and removing the icky gross fat parts of my body as long as I thought about in terms of "top surgery". I wasn't just sad and insecure due to years and years of being bullied about my weight, I was "discovering my authentic self". It's all very fucked up.

[whimsicall-witxh-deactivated202]

[freezingcloud-deactivated202402]

aren't you sick of the way women are sexualized at such a young age

aren't you sick of the way the beauty industry preys on women's insecurities

aren't you sick of society tying a lot of a woman's worth towards her youth and appearance

aren't you sick men are trying to take up women's spaces

aren't you sick of men making sexist jokes to their friends all the time

aren't you sick of women having to make women only groups in secret

aren't you sick of lesbian dating apps filled with men

aren't you sick of the porn industry making millions off of the degradation of women

aren't you sick of all the men that think watching violent porn is normal and healthy

aren't you sick of young women trying fad diets and trying to get skinny so they look "pretty"

aren't you sick of all these male celebrities dating significantly younger women and no one bats an eye

aren't you sick of the lack of representation of women in the government

aren't you sick of laws being created to restrict us from our own bodily automy

aren't you sick of everything women have to go through

aren't you angry

because i am

[redditreceipts]

Idk if you heard about the TIM Canadian powerlifter who recently outbenched his female competitors by like 200lb, but his reddit username is greenkrog.

Actual quote from him “Why is women’s bench so bad? I mean not compared to me, we all know that I’m a tranny freak so that doesn’t count and no we’re not talking about Mackenzie Lee, she’s got little T-Rex arms and she is 400 pounds of chest muscle apparently. I mean standard bench in powerlifting competition for women, I literally don’t understand why it’s so bad”

He brought a stuffed t-rex to the winner’s podium to mock them. And now he’s over on reddit claiming that his competitors support him because someone at an event wore trans socks, conveniently excluding the fact that more than one woman has dropped out because of him.

to be honest, I am sometimes baffled by the transgender community's inability to do something resembling good optics. I mean if I was a proponent of transgender ideology, I would at least try to call out shit like this.

[awoman-is-alive]

crazy how biological sex is so fluid and just a patriarchal construct and not based on any legitimate science and is totally not a binary and people are just a random spectrum of parts but then people are divided into either being “cis” or “trans” and “afab” or “amab” if you ask a genderist if trans women/amabs can have a hysterectomy they know the answer is no. can trans women/amabs go through menopause? no. can trans men/afabs have prostate cancer? no. the answer is never “maybe” or “it’s none of your business!!” or “how am I supposed to know if I have a prostate or not!! I never checked!” they know what male and female is lol. they know these aren’t labels arbitrarily assigned to newborn babies by ignorant doctors. and underneath all their yelling about “so women who have had a hysterectomy are not women to you???” they secretly know what sex specific conditions are

[coleslawgf-deactivated20230909]

these are images someone shared with me in a Beauty of the Dead group i'm in on FB. forensic anthropologists use clues such as this to sex skeletons from thousands of years ago. and this is only the skull. there are numerous differences in the skeletons of men and women, most notably in the pelvis and the femur. but sex isn't real

[awoman-is-alive]

crazy how biological sex is so fluid and just a patriarchal construct and not based on any legitimate science and is totally not a binary and people are just a random spectrum of parts but then people are divided into either being “cis” or “trans” and “afab” or “amab” if you ask a genderist if trans women/amabs can have a hysterectomy they know the answer is no. can trans women/amabs go through menopause? no. can trans men/afabs have prostate cancer? no. the answer is never “maybe” or “it’s none of your business!!” or “how am I supposed to know if I have a prostate or not!! I never checked!” they know what male and female is lol. they know these aren’t labels arbitrarily assigned to newborn babies by ignorant doctors. and underneath all their yelling about “so women who have had a hysterectomy are not women to you???” they secretly know what sex specific conditions are

[femenxxnoy-deactivated20220306]

REPEAT AFTER ME: QUEER ACTIVISM IS HOMOPHOBIA

[ladyofthefen-deactivated2026022]

There’s literally like no lesbian bars left and these “straight but want to feel special” pricks want to take more??

[thesweetscentofbooks]

And people want us to have no problems tolerating that horrible slur...how homophobic must these TRAs be

[thegynocrat-blog]

[midwifepilled]

“trans exclusionary radical feminist” but nobody is excluding trans identified males, it’s simply that males .. being males .. and doing male stuff has literally nothing to do with feminism … you simply have no place here …

there is nothing needed from males here and there is nothing here we can exclude you from since your participation was and never will be necessary ….

we aren’t excluding you, our ideology has always aimed to keep you out intrinsically! it is only when you demand entry we are viewed as “exclusive” for reiterating we actually never needed or wanted you here.

[iamphobephobic5]

Feminism is a movement for gender equality. It’s a movement for women’s oppression. Trans women are oppressed, harrassed, assaulted, and more. Why can’t you see any reason for sympathy?

[plgsvyer]

What logic or sympathy would there be in asking a group organized to help one political cause to instead split their focus, because you've decided that their entire reason for existing isn't a good enough reason for you on its own? That's not very sympathetic of you. In fact it's entitled, demanding, cruel, and is actually on the big list of the Rules of Misogyny. It's rule 5. Rule 3 too.

What makes it this group's job to do that? Especially since this additional job you want them to do for you would include opposite purposes to their own? Women fought for separate facilities for safety and separate groups in order to organize, and trans women organize, protest, and assault women in order to undo those gains. You are literally protesting women's right to separate organizing in this literal conversation. Clearly, there would be no logic in feminists working against their own aims.

[iamphobephobic5]

What logic or sympathy would there be in asking a group organized to help one political cause to instead split their focus, because you’ve decided that their entire reason for existing isn’t a good enough reason for you on its own?

I didn’t want to say this initially because I know how you will react, but trans women are women and their issues are women’s issues too. They deal with similar harrassment over being inferior to men and have similar high levels of sexual abuse. I believe these issues are interconnected, so that’s why I believe transphobia falls under the cause of feminism. We get rid of all bigotry, or none at all.

It’s rule 5.

Asking to address another issue is not me distracting from other issues. Addressing rape does not distract from the wage gap.

Rule 3 too.

I never said or implied this. I asked for sympathy. 

Women fought for separate facilities for safety and separate groups in order to organize, and trans women organize, protest, and assault women in order to undo those gains.

If black women are turned away from women’s facilities, then they have a right to protest. To me, trans women have that same right. 

You are literally protesting women’s right to separate organizing in this literal conversation.

Because trans women are women, that wouldn’t go against women’s right to separate facilities.

[lotyba]

Yours is a linguistic argument, not one based on describing reality. Some men have a psychological desire to be women or be seen as women. You have decided to call these men women. That is obviously inaccurate unless you are redefining women, which women have not agreed to. Which is rule 8. You have also given no reason for doing such a thing.

They are still adult human males, not adult human females. You are aware of this. They still have a statistically much, much higher level of strength and statistically much, much higher propensity for violence than women, which is the reason women have separate spaces to begin with. Hrt doesn't change that, and there is no requirement for a man to be medicating in order for him to call himself transgender anyway.

You may not think sex or sex-based rights matter, but that is why men who agree with you have no place in organizing to defend those spaces and rights, and they don't want to either. They are actively dismantling them.

Any space where a man can self identify in immediately becomes a mixed sex space. That means there are no separate facilities. Both are open to any men. You are also aware of this. It's quite obvious. In many places the women's room has become an 'All Gender' bathroom because of these men. So yes, this means they have single-handedly removed these women's spaces. They have put men who have committed sex crimes against women and who have brutally murdered women into locked jail cells with women. Statistically the amount of women who commit violent/sex crimes is negligible. So these men have put much stronger, much more horrifically violent men into prisons with women serving time for fraud or theft or prostitution. That is a circumstance that is literally a war crime.

A black woman is not a man. This is also obvious, so the only reason you would claim a black woman's exclusion is like excluding a man from a space for women is some kind of horrific racism that you need to fucking deal with... No woman entering a woman's space makes it a mixed sex space. You know what human sexes are, and yes all males always and everywhere are still male no matter what they think or say. Any other suggestion is absurd. 0 cannot equal 1.

And NO, men do not have the right to *assault* women because they don't want women to have sex specific spaces and sex-based rights for safety. That seems like feminism to you? You literally think feminism is beating women in the streets...?? I can't even.

Putting women in statistically higher danger of rape or murder is not working for women's rights. It is actively dismantling them. Assaulting women in an effort to end sex-based spaces that women have for safety is not feminism. You are at cross purposes with feminism. You are literally pro-assaulting women according to your last post.

So no, feminism is not for men who assault women. You've proven you are not interested in women's rights or safety.

[iamphobephobic5]

That is obviously inaccurate unless you are redefining women, which women have not agreed to. 

You don’t represent all women. Plenty of women exist who support trans women. 

Besides, many cultures have allowed trans people to exist in the past. So I believe re-introducing would be a more accurate label.

You have also given no reason for doing such a thing.

The reason is that these identities are very similar to sexuality. They are deeply ingrained and cannot be changed (source 1, source 2). And most importantly, being forced to repress these identities leads to a high suicide rate, which is reduced in welcoming environments. Human lives are the reason. (source 1, source 2, source 3)

They still have a statistically much, much higher level of strength and statistically much, much higher propensity for violence than women, which is the reason women have separate spaces to begin with.

There is no evidence that suggests men are trying to larp as trans in order to harrass women. “This study provides evidence that fears of increased safety and privacy violations as a result of nondiscrimination laws are not empirically grounded” (Source)

In many places the women’s room has become an ‘All Gender’ bathroom because of these men.

Provide a source please. I cannot believe that buildings are converting only women’s bathrooms into All Gender bathrooms and leaving men’s bathrooms alone en masse without actual statistical evidence.

They have put men who have committed sex crimes against women and who have brutally murdered women into locked jail cells with women.

I won’t deny that the decision to move some of the trans criminals presents a danger to women. That does present a problem. However, this isn’t the black and white issue you think it is. Not all trans inmates are the exceptionally violent criminals that make the headlines. They don’t pose the same threat to women. 

But more importantly, their lives are in danger if they are kept in all-male prisons. One trans woman was raped 14 times by both inmates and staff. (Source 1, Source 2)

A black woman is not a man

The reason why I made this comparison is to show why I think you are being unfair. I’m saying that denying a black woman access women’s spaces is a terrible thing. How is that racist?

And NO, men do not have the right to *assault* women because they don’t want women to have sex specific spaces and sex-based rights for safety

I don’t condone assault.

Is it too much to ask that you don’t assume I’m an emotionless monster who has no regard for women’s safety? I want to have a productive conversation about this, but it seems like you are taking every opportunity to reconfigure my arguments in the worst ways. I’m just trying to do my best.

[lotyba]

So your reason why men who want to be women are in fact women is because 1) they feel they want to be women over a long period of time more or less consistently (which is debatable at best) and 2) because they will kill themselves if other people don't redefine half of the human race for them?

How would either of those prove that they are women? Neither of those points is a characteristic of being a woman.