B'coz I have you this time..

[mamacoco12264]

There was this anon asking silver why Cloud did the stuff he did in the dream date. Like why he looked happy or contented when she held his hand or got upset when they don’t win the contest for the couple photo shoot. I know Cloud was just being nice but I wanted hear what your thoughts were to this when you played that scene.

Heya! Rather than saying Cloud looks happy and content, people should realize that he doesn't display any romantic tension toward Aerith whenever they're holding hands or hugging. The absence of shyness, awkwardness or flustered reactions on Cloud's part suggests that he doesn't interpret those gestures as romantic, nor does he see them as crossing the boundaries of friendship.

As for his annoyed expression after not winning the couple's photoshoot, that's largely a Clerith exaggeration. Cloud is visibly uncomfortable and confused throughout the entire dream date. The place, the people and Aerith's weird behavior leave him frustrated. By the time they are done with the photoshoot, he's clearly fed up with everything that's been happening. That's why afterward he bluntly asks Aerith, yet again, what is going on and tells her not to play dumb when she avoids giving him a straight answer.

Having played through that entire chapter, I can confidently say that Cloud didn't do anything wrong. He didn't lead Aerith on or intentionally encourage any romantic expectations. Aerith is the one doing all the work to frame the dream date as romantic the same way she did during her GS date with Cloud, while Cloud simply goes along with the situation because he has no real choice. As usual, there's no mutual or reciprocal romantic expression from Cloud, only gestures that can just as easily be viewed as platonic.

I hope that answers that anon's question.

[mamacoco12264]

How some people are reading One Chapter and Calling It the Whole Book: What Hollow Is Really About

TLDR: Trying to reduce Hollow to a song about Aerith is like watching an entire movie and claiming it's only about one scene where the protagonist loses someone he cares about. That chapter is important of course BUT it isn't the whole story.

Hollow is Cloud's overarching story in song form. It's about the emptiness inside him, the identity he built on lies, the guilt he carries, the promises he failed to keep and his struggle to find himself.

Aerith's loss is undoubtedly part of that emptiness, BUT SHE ISN'T ITS BEGINNING AND FRANKLY SHE ISN'T ITS END EITHER.

Cloud's inner conflict didn't begin when Aerith died. It began long before he met her, when he stood beneath the water tower as an insecure boy who wanted to become someone worthy of Tifa's notice. It is the reason he created his false SOLDIER persona after the trauma in Nibelheim. And it ultimately reaches its resolution in the Lifestream sequence, where Tifa helps him piece together his true self.

That's why reducing Hollow to a "Clerith song" misses the overarching narrative of FFVII. The song is about Cloud's hollowness itself.

Aerith is one piece of Cloud's journey, not the entirety of his character arc.

In other words, Hollow isn't about who Cloud loves, it's about the parts of himself that he has lost and the journey of becoming whole again. All of which were never entirely focused on Aerith alone, nor did they begin or end with her.

[silver-wield]

The full panel with Cody and Britt 😁

[mamacoco12264]

Loved watching the whole thing, and i also love that Cody and Britt wear opposite colors of their characters.

Cody is so cool laying out all his feelings out there while Brit is doing her best to restrain herself LoL. So excited for Revelation and finally witness that truly important talk that is so long over due.

Kudos to both of them for doing Such an amazing job in voicing these two amazing Characters.

[janeiteoftheslums]

Check out this panel from Kawacon in San Antonio, TX with Cody Christian & Britt Baron!

[mamacoco12264]

Hi I just wanna ask, in the EC lifestream scene does Cloud tell Tifa he wanted to be noticed by her just like the og? If you can could you upload the scene for me?

Yes same as OG

[mamacoco12264]

Cloud didn't say, "Let's go back," or "Let's return to the others." Instead, he said, "Tifa, let's go home."

Then they ascend hand in hand, facing each other.

Once again, Cloud proves that home is where Tifa is. From the moment he regained his true self, the two of them became an inseparable unit and that bond has remained unshaken ever since.

[mamacoco12264]

What can you tell me about the second book? The one about Tifa and Aerith? Not the Two Pasts one but the second one? What does it say about them and Tifa’s feelings for Cloud and Aerith’s feelings for Zack?

Heya thank you for the ask.

Gosh i don't even know how to begin to describe it. It's a rollercoaster of emotions for sure. I read Aerith's chapter first and I'm telling you it's full on Love story of Zack and Aerith in Aerith's POV, 90% of her story is about her missing Zack, remembering Zack, hoping to reunite with Zack while the other 10% is her learning to use her Cetra ability to defend herself from monster and her meeting new ppl that she still relate to Zack. After reading it, it gave me a complete sense of her longing and pinning for Zack and full understanding why Aerith was there on the upper plate selling flowers at the beginning of the game.

Then comes Tifa's chapter and boy was i so frustrated, not with the story bc it was well written, but it's because Tifa's chapter is all about her struggles mainly in her involvement in Avalanche, hiding from Shinra, being cautious about ppl, lying to save Avalanche getting punished for it in a harsh way alone! 90% of Tifa's chapter drama, conflict & struggles while the other 10% is her getting comfort in remembering Cloud and confirming that what she truly feels for Cloud is true love. After reading Tifa's chapter it gave me a complete sense of understanding why she felt so glad in being reunited with Cloud again after all those years bc she really needs him to balance her life. Oh and i didn't like Jessie in Tifa's chapter, i don't know if you'll get the same feeling once you've read it but yeah, she's a great friend to Tifa in totp but Dear Destiny made me realize she's really in it just for revenge for Shinra and she won't let anyone disrupt the plan or their mission not even her so called friends.

When Nojima said that Dear Destiny is really a more serious story compared to Totp, he's not kidding.

[mamacoco12264]

Zack's Narrative Weight Concerns Who Cloud Is & Not Who He Wants to Date

Just wanted to get this off my chest because I really hate it when certain people claim that Zack and Cloud are romantic rivals. They're NOT.

Cloud's supposed jealousy toward Zack is often treated as definitive proof that he's in love with Aerith, but that interpretation overlooks Zack's actual role in the story.

Throughout most of the narrative, Cloud doesn't consciously remember who Zack really is due to his fractured identity and unreliable memories. Any discomfort or tension surrounding Zack can't simply be reduced to "Cloud is jealous" behavior.

Especially if we look at the overall narrative, Zack's purpose extends far beyond being Aerith's first love. Zack is deeply tied to Cloud's identity crisis, his feelings of inadequacy, the truth behind the Nibelheim incident and ultimately Cloud's journey toward accepting who he truly is.

Can people interpret some of Cloud's reactions as jealousy? Sure. But interpretation is not confirmation and those moments cannot be used as definitive proof that Cloud is canonically in love with Aerith.

The narrative weight attached to Zack overwhelmingly concerns WHO CLOUD IS, NOT who Cloud wants to date.

That's why using these moments as the cornerstone of a romantic argument doesn't hold up as objective evidence. Zack's role in the story is central to Cloud's self-discovery, while the "Cloud is jealous because he's in love with Aerith" claim remains one of misinterpretation by certain ppl among many and not an established fact.

[mamacoco12264]

You only have to read Nojima's ToTp & Dear Destiny Tifa's chapter to clear up any misconceptions about Tifa's feelings for Cloud.

Likewise, you only have to read Dear Destiny Aerith's chapter to clear up any misconceptions about Zerith's relationship & understand how deep Aerith's longing is towards Zack.

The irony is that some people would rather twist the source material into fitting their preferred narrative than simply read what was actually written. The canon isn't confusing, people just become confused when they decide fanon should outrank the author's own words.

[mamacoco12264]

"Words aren't the only way to tell someone how you feel."

9 months until CloudxTifa's feelings finally come to light not thru words but thru trust, understanding & a heartfelt choice that deepens their bond. Deeper than what it once was. It's not an end, but a new beginning. 🐥💕🐬

[myprivatelullabynovel]

From those first five notes, everything began to return.

[mamacoco12264]

Some parallels dont need words.

They just need to show the same softness in their expressions.

The same strength in their hearts.

The same unwavering devotion for each other, carried in their hearts for all eternity.

9 months until their love story reaches its long-awaited revelation.🐺💕🌸

[solidsmax]

Tifa Lockhart join Street Fighter 6

[mamacoco12264]

SE recent promotion of the Rebirth GS dates.

In layman's terms, there's the Tifa date and then there's the non-Tifa date. 😊

[ctae]

Irino Miyu, the voice actor of Kingdom Hearts protagonist Sora, on his love for Tifa Lockhart 💖

[tifa-simp]

I gotta

[stardust-seeker]

https://x.com/inquisitoraurae/status/2059177815249952992?s=46

What "total demise of Cloti" ended up happening? 🧐🤔

What did end up happening canonically was "You've been weird all day" and "but I didn't do anything" VS. "Not one bit" and "A Tender Kiss"

But sure anti's, we totally lost to you guys...

🙃

@mamacoco12264 @callmederok

Wow, just…wow. There’s a lot to unpack with this tweet. Let’s take it from the top, shall we?

First of all, where exactly was the “total demise of Cloti” in ReTrilogy? Was it when the devs removed the option of having Cloud give either Tifa or Marlene the flower as it was in OG so Cloud has no choice but to give it to Tifa? Was it when Cloud and Tifa nearly kissed in Gongaga with Yuffie and Cait Sith chanting “Kiss! Kiss!” outside the door? Was it when they were finally kissed on the gondola at the Gold Saucer, a kiss that Cloud himself initiated? Where was Aerith's kiss? So Cloud won't kiss the girl he's supposedly in love with, despite her dragging him around on multiple dates, but he WILL kiss the girl that he only has fleeting feelings for? Yeah, that makes perfect sense 👌🏾

And what “fleeting romantic feelings for Tifa” are they referring to? Cloud joined SOLDIER just so Tifa could notice him. Cloud’s SOLDIER identity was based on his goal of being a SOLDIER for Tifa. Cloud invites Tifa into his mind when both of them fall into the lifestream in Mideel. None of these are things someone does with someone else they have fleeting romantic feelings for. 

And where is the scale of Cloud’s love for Aerith shown? Was it when she drags him around on dates which he doesn’t seem too thrilled about? Was it when she told him she was treating something like a date and he said “I wish you wouldn’t?” Was it when she gestured for him to sit next to her on their gondola date and he looked at her and proceeded to sit on the OTHER SIDE? Was it when Aerith told Cloud on said date that she was searching for him and he said “I’m right here” and Aerith said “Yeah, but—” and Cloud cut her off to ask if Tifa talked to her about Zack? Was it when Cloud said “you’ve been weird all day?” during the dream date and “nakama-zoned” her in the Japanese version? Where exactly is this grand love Cloud supposedly has for Aerith? Cause I’m not seeing it. Maybe someone can enlighten me with some scenes I might have overlooked or some information in the Ultimanias that I’m not privy to.

But the real kicker of this tweet is OP accusing Clotis of “constant twisting of the narrative, bullying of devs and other fans, targeted harassment, misogyny towards Aerith…” and saying that if Clotis can't respect the devs' work why should they give them anything. 

Cleriths are the ones doing the constant twisting of the narrative. They’re the ones claiming any clearly romantic scene with Cloud and Tifa isn’t romantic, writing off Crisis Core as “non-canon” and ToTP and Dear Destiny as “fanfiction,” and basically ignoring anything that doesn’t fit their narrative that Clerith is the canon ship. 

Cleriths are the ones who have been bullying the devs and other fans. They’ve been harassing Nojima and Hamaguchi on Twitter demanding that they make Clerith endgame in Part 3, and according to their subreddit, they’re already planning on sending hate mail to Nojima if they don’t get their way in Part 3. And they’ve been the ones harassing Clotis and even other Zeriths as well. Even making cute Zerith fanart will incur the wrath of these rabid fans who apparently have nothing better to do than make everyone miserable around them. 

And to take it one step further, they’re the ones guilty of targeted harassment. They’re the ones harassing Cloti streamers. They pretty much forced Spy-D to turn his comments off on Twitter, and I don’t think he’s even a Cloti. He just pointed out on Twitter how soft Cloud’s voice becomes when he talks to Tifa and the Cleriths lost their minds over it. You say anything positive about Cloud and Tifa’s relationship and suddenly you’re an idiot who doesn’t know what you’re talking about.

Cleriths are the ones constantly being misogynistic towards Tifa.  They’re the ones calling her disparaging names like “slut” and “porn star” and claiming that Tifa is only popular because of her chest size and anyone who likes her is a gooner. I mean, just look at the responses to the tweet Square Enix DE made about Tifa asking fans to retweet with three words that could be used to describe her. A Clerith commented with Tifa’s body measurements. I had no idea what Tifa’s measurements were, but somehow the Cleriths have that information memorized. And they also have her stats on porn sites ready at their disposal. You can’t complain about misogyny when you’re camping out underneath Tifa’s appreciation posts like you have nothing better to do in life than to bash her. You sound hypocritical and no one is going to take you seriously. 

But OP is right about one thing. If you can’t respect the work of the devs, they shouldn’t give you anything. So under that logic, the Cleriths shouldn’t get anything since they can’t respect the devs’ work. 

I cannot WAIT for Part 3 to drop just so I can see how these "fans" react. Let’s see who really respects the work of the devs then. 

[mamacoco12264]

[mamacoco12264]

Certain ppl like to brag these moments as non optional therefore "canon" and they'd be right..But what do these "canon" moments actually prove for Cloud and Aerith in game? Simple.

1. Cloud sees Aerith as a nakama.

2. Cloud reciprocates a hug initiated by Aerith — his nakama.

3. Cloud holds his nakama’s hand with zero romantic confirmation attached to it.

4. Cloud poses with his nakama in a photoshoot that the photographer later said didn’t resemble a couple at all.

5. Cloud's nakama died.

6. After fighting Sephiroth, Cloud briefly interlocks hands with the spirit of his nakama before returning to the people waiting for him while she fades away.

7. Cloud only promises his nakama that he’ll stop Sephiroth.

Those are the conclusions involving these compiled scenes.. So what's there to brag about? That Cloud and Aerith were confirmed Nakamas? Well then... To those certain ppl, congratulations for finally accepting the True nature of Cloud and Aerith's relationship 😂

Meanwhile, Tifa is tied directly to Cloud’s identity, memories, promise, emotional recovery and the Lifestream itself, the only one who Cloud shared his vulnerability with and an intimate, unquestionable romantic almost kiss in a non optional scene — but sure, she’s the "optional" one.