Daenerys & Jon

💙👑🐉🔥Whatever They Want 🔥🐉👑💙 ❤️ MeeMaw on Ao3 ❤️

[minmeemaw]

HBO can launch a whole prequel universe with a massive budget, a bunch of silver haired characters, and more dragons but the discourse still circles right back to Daenerys Targaryen.. I just love how the true queen still rules.

[stormborns]

GAME OF THRONES 4.01, Two Swords

[minmeemaw]

[danytheestallion]

ok so this is the final art piece from the twoiaf anniversary thing and this one depicts summerhall. from the characters seen in this art I’m guessing it takes place during Rhaegar and Lyanna’s journey to the tower of joy.

here we see Rhaegar by the fire playing his harp and presumably Arthur Dayne next to him.

here we have Lyanna wearing her crown of winter roses but here’s the part where things get interesting because it looks like the person standing next to Lyanna

is Ashara Dayne! which begs the question: was Ashara in on this plan with her brother? did she become a friend of Lyanna? was the loss of Lyanna as well as that of her brother and baby what made her kill her self?

[danytheestallion]

Daenerys seeing Rhaegar in the House of the Undying by Arantza Sestayo for the 10 year anniversary of TWoIaF

[horizon-verizon]

The fact that Daenerys’ novella “blood of the dragon” was published in July 1996 and AGOT was published August 1996 which means she won GRRM a Hugo Award, the most prestigious literary award in science fiction and fantasy, before ASOIAF was an existing series.. yeah def don’t compare your flop faves to her.

Look it up, this is true!

[kosmogrl]

how it feels to not care about something that used to drive you insane

[ammmyturtle]

The Second Sons

Prince Daemon with his son Prince Viserys XD

[pontmercii]

What I, an "extremely biased" targ stan, think about the function of Robert's Rebellion in the narrative and themes of asoiaf :

The Aerys regime was bound to be overthrown as a result of his paranoia and cruelty. Abuse of power leads to retribution.

The Lannisters were traitors then and continue to be traitors in the present timeline.

The current regime (the one that overturned the previous Aerys regime and is supposedly "better" because of that) is just as rotten as the previous one because it was founded on such cruelty.

The sack of KL (the peak of the Rebellion and the event that terminated the war) materializes Ned's valid guilt and remorse for associating himself with said regime, feelings that haunted him throughout his whole life and are pivotal in his arc in the present timeline.

The Starks, the Baratheons and the Lannisters' alliance that ended the Targaryen regime was meant to go to shit because it was founded on extreme cruelty and vileness. It was rotten from the start. Because of this, all of these houses were meant to start devouring each other, which is precisely what happens in the present timeline. Ned, Robert and Tywin each died disgraced and dishonored.

Foreshadowing of Dany and Jon's return that will hopefully break this rotten vicious power dynamic.

The sack of KL triggers Jaime's existential crisis for being an enabler of the new rotten regime. It showcases the vanity and contradictions of the strict moral code of knights and the impossibility of choice.

The sack of KL gives us context for House Martell's desire for revenge *against the Lannisters* in the present timeline.

Enlightened "neutral" faction of the fanbase that gets *The Themes*: Robert's Rebellion is about how a Machiavellian Pedophile wishing to get his dick wet for eugenic experiments destroyed his entire family and the realm + grrm subverting the prophecy trope aka prophecies are fake because they kill people delirium + Elia died because her aforementioned Machiavellian Pedophile husband took the Kingsguard with him to protect his side bitch/sex slave (depends) leaving her All Alone in the Sahara desert + targnation hates POC/Dead ladies club delirium/patriarchy destroys little girls/Lyanna is remembered only for her beauty uwu

[praparuru-ume]

The Queen who Never Was

Rhaenys Targaryen

[raidark]

Why are you treating Targaryen as colonizers when current Westerosi descend from the First Men and Andals?

First Men were actual invaders who slaughtered the real natives of Westeros, the Children of the Forest, cut down their sacred trees and then stole a big part of their lands. They made a pact with them later and accepted their gods but that still doesn't excuse them. Your beloved House Stark descends from them, ruling over the North for thousands of years after continuous war and conquest of other First Men houses and territories.

(And if we follow GoT lore, First Men's acts of genocide and colonization were literally the reason White Walkers were created. So they're fully responsible for the Long Night and possible doom of the whole world in at least GoT's show continuity)

Then you have the Andals, who also invaded and kept killing the Children -as well as First Men so colonizers killing colonizers- and stealing their lands imposing the Faith of the Seven over the Old Gods.

Westeros was a land stolen by colonizers who were in constant war with each other long before the Targaryen arrived. None of them had right to rule by your definition.

Targaryen came and conquered them, unified the kingdoms into the Seven Kingdoms and then mostly allowed them to go on with their traditions and customs as long as they left them with their own. Jaehaerys and Alysanne just put an end to some of the worst.

Targaryen didn't impose their religion or beliefs over them. If anything Westerosi were the ones trying to impose House Targaryen with their traditions and trying to control their House lol

[minmeemaw]

Alicent agreed to sacrifice Aegon during her 1-1 with Rhaeneyra. Does that mean we won't get to see the Gold Cloaks' loyalty towards Daemon or Rhaeneyra's kindness towards Alicent and Helaena when the Blacks take over King's Landing?

[intersectionalpraxis]

When will white women stop their incessant demonization of women of colour?

[instantbouquetface-me]

HOTD finale leaks, Daenerys and TPtwP, retcon?

Okay. So this is something that is just irritating as hell right now. Currently some Jon fans (and I am one myself too--to some extent-- so this is not coming from a Jon hater) are really unhappy that the leaks show that Daemon already saw centuries ago that Dany will be the The Prince that was Promised. They are alleging that this is somehow a retcon of the original. To them, here is my question: Original what? Show or Book?

In the show, there is no clear Prince that was Promised. The last time the Prophecy is mentioned is in 7x02 when it is clarified that it is nuetral with respect to gender. It never shows up in season 8. Nor do the events of season 8 give us any further clue on the prophecy. Every plan made by Jon and Dany failed to stop the Night King in 8x03. By the end of the episode both Jon and Dany are in hopeless situations. Only the surprise attack by Arya (of all people) defeated the Night King after he had, by all rights, won. Arya, of course, if we follow the show's narrative was prepared by the Lord of Light (and knew nothing about any of this) and had nothing to do with Jon and Dany. Not even the show claimed that Arya was the Prince that was promised.

In the books, there is no case for claiming that this is a retcon in any way. In fact, by the end of Book 5 (the last one so far released), Dany is the most obvious candidate for the position. We have the red priests proclaiming it (btw they are also proclaiming it in the show, recall Kinvara). Maester Aemon, who seems to have spent his whole life looking for the fulfilment of the prophecy and is an expert on it also identifies Dany. The signs are all there ('dragons from stone' etc.). Born amidst 'salt and smoke' (Dragonstone), 'bleeding star' (red comet) and so on.

So what gives?

I should also point something out that is essentially stated again and again as if it were established canon:

That Jon IS THE SONG OF ICE AND FIRE, becasue he is THE SON OF ICE (Stark) AND FIRE (Targaryen). It seems that the ones who make this argument think that repeating it often enough and loudly, along with derisive dismissals of those who do not agree with them is sufficient to make it a canonical fact. However, none of this changes the fact that THIS IS AN UNCONFIRMED FAN THEORY.

I will be the last to deny that there is evidence poiting towards Jon as well. However, as of ADwD, Jon and Dany are the only plausible characters who can be TPtwP. To make either fit, some parts of the prophecy need to be interpreted metaphorically (with there being canonical support for such metaphorical interpretations, no less) while the others fit literally (for example, 'sword' has to be given a metaphorical interpretation for Dany, while she fulfils the part about awakening dragons from stone literally). If one of them is the one, it can hardly be called retcon.

[orangedodge]

If we take creator statements to be truthful, specifically that "Aegon called his dream the Song of Ice and Fire" came directly from Martin, then would that fan theory not already be essentially debunked? If it's just the in-universe name for Aegon's visions, then we're not looking for a specific person or event, and identifying Jon (or anyone else) as "the ice and fire" makes no actual sense.

[minmeemaw]

I do not trust a single thing they say in this show. I can bet that the screenwriters have not read the source material properly.

There's something called the pact of ice and fire which is an important part of the events of the dance. How can any writer omit it? Did they not read the books or KiNdA fOrGoT?!!

The prophecy of the Prince that was Promised is known by the red priests of the lord of light. Which means it wasn't something exclusively passed down from Targaryen kings to heirs.

I also have a feeling that GRRM himself has retconned his original ideas based on the popularity of the show characters. He's a better writer than the hacks hired by HBO for sure but he too has succumbed to popular opinions and thinks that shocking events and "subverted expectations" like the execution of Ned Stark and Red Wedding are what his readers expect from him.

He probably had a different, more positive ending for Dany on his mind when he originally started writing and it clearly reflects in the treatment of her character and her chapters.

But after he subverts all expectations (and common sense), his book ending will quite likely be what we got at the end of s8. He will probably write it better but clearly he will have to retcon too many of his characters to reach that point. And that's why it's taking him so long to finish his work. He has written himself into a corner now and we would never find out who or what tptwp was supposed to be.

[allyriadayne]

House Strong during the Dance of the Dragons

[queen-of-andor]

Book accurate Jon Snow:

[minmeemaw]

Antis applying 21st century standards to a medieval era fantasy fiction show with dragons and ice zombies draw a line at Targaryen women's rights.

[minmeemaw]

I see some Green stans complaining how Alicent has gone soft and is possibly a traitor to her sons' cause.

Bitches, we've been lamenting it since day 1.

She was more Cersei Lannister than whatever the fuck this shitshow had been trying to make her! She was 18 when married Viserys and had lived at the court since the days of King Jaehaerys. She was 9 years older than Rhaenyra and is believed to have honey tapped Viserys even before Aemma's passing.

"Alicent was highly intelligent, literate and willful, but also scheming and firmly ambitious."

Long before the Dance started, she had divided the court into Greens and Blacks and pushed Rhaenyra far from the seat of power to Dragonstone.

Book spoilers :

After Rhaenyra took over King's Landing, she spared Alicent's life "for the sake of our father, who loved you once." Compare this to Alicent usurping her after Viserys died and later telling Rhaenyra, "only bastard blood has been spilled".

So while I can understand Greens' anger, rest assured, we are more enraged at the whitewashing of this self serving villain of the Dance of Dragons.