Two weeks ago, I met the beautiful mademoiselle @lifeseverchanging, in her town. My first meetup with a Romy pal!
We spent two days drinking coffee, eating delicious food, getting lost finding a botanic garden. And yakking about the heroes who brought us together: Remy ’n’ Rogue 4eva. AND . . .
Yessir, I made my Tumblr avatar a tattoo, above my right elbow. My very first tattoo!
. . . And so did @lifeseverchanging . . . not of a speech bubble, but a sneaky little girl, like her own kitties; Remy’s kitties; and the kitty heroine who persuaded her into the comicbook shop, where she first discovered X-men Gold #30! (See the resemblance?)
Since 2017, @lifeseverchanging and I have been chatting, by Slack and by phone, and by virtue of our other Romy friends (you know who you are) who made an incredible community for strangers to become real-life friends. During a tough year, I’m grateful for this. My tattoo is a reminder to me of how good we’ve been, even if we all scatter one day.
@lifeseverchanging, it was a total pleasure to meet you IRL and learn that you’re even more hilarious, kindhearted, bodacious, and fun than you already are online. Meeting you gives me hope. Let’s be Best Rubes Forever.
My birthday passed recently, and I’m overwhelmed by the love and generosity of the Romy-fan community. You guys are some of the biggest-hearted, schmoopiest people I’ve ever not met.
I bragged to everyone . . . and cried a little too.
:*)
@ludi-ling, my first Romy friend and sister-in-arms, sent me a “deleted scene” from Arrow of Time! It’s the classic push and pull between Remy ’n’ Rogue, set in the tragic Days of Future Past universe . . . Romy at their best and their worst right before the storm.
@jehilew then emailed me a beautiful illustrated edition of the cutest angst fic I’ve ever seen, involving Rogue and her teddy bear named . . . (I won’t spoil it!) This fic was apparently written with special requests from a very bossy committee, so double thank you, to everyone who contributed. Please check it out: To Rogue, From Remy.
Then the biggest surprise of all was Madame Xevi @xevg, mistress of the Romy-fic blog @fanfictionalrogue, who wrote her very first fic and dedicated to me. I hope this is the first chapter of a saga of kink, perversion, and bed thumping! <3 Please read: The Apprentice.
Fellow Californian and sweetest honeybee @lifeseverchanging mailed me a fabulous writing journal, much nicer than any journal I’d buy myself, with a loving card. I can’t wait to write in it. :*)
And last but far from least . . .
I requested a charming portrait of Nightcrawler from the talented @cajuncajole and holy moly. A bonanza of Romy and Kurt goodness showed up. In addition, dastardly postcard of the fuzzy elf and a floppy of my faaaaave cover of X-men Red. And an original Romy special on the cover of X-factor, which I have not dared open from its plastic envelope. This is the cover we all wanted, always.
And a greeting card of kitties and kitty stickers! Riley, you are too generous, too good. :**)
Was I nervous about turning 37? Yes.
Is this the best birthday ever? Damned yes.
Friends, I don’t know what to say. Thank you all. Thank you. Finding you guys here on Tumblr last year, during the LEGENDARY Rogue & Gambit run, was one of the best damned things I could have ever done. I feel so damned lucky.
Some might say we will find a brighter day by Shari Aruna
Title: Some might say we will find a brighter day
Author: Shari Aruna
Fanfiction Author ID: 4673986
Summary: [X-Men: Days of Future Past] Somewhere along the original timeline, Rogue and Gambit struggle to survive.
Rate: M
Fanfiction ID: 10786897
Universe: X-Men: The Movie after X-Men: Days of Future Past, Movieverse.
Characters: Anna Marie/Rogue and Remy Lebeau/Gambit
Genre: Hurt/Comfort/Angst
Status: Complete.
Published: Oct 28, 2014
Word Count: 2,499 in oneshot.
Content/Author Notes: - This story is based on a couple of assumptions: first, that beside Mystique’s, the XMDOFP Sentinels have been created thanks Rogue’s DNA too, in order to absorb the power and then replicate it. The second is, therefore, that in the original timeline Rogue still has her powers, despite the fact that in the last movie she took the cure (the idea that it could be only temporary, however, is already suggested by the end of The Last Stand, when Erik in the placid-grandpa-at-the-park version finds out that he can still move the chessman). In short, if there are any errors or inaccuracies, know that I have done my best.
- In the movie-verse I ship Logan/Rogue like burning, but Gambit and Rogue came straight from my childhood, mostly spent in front of the TV, watching the animated series of the X-Men. So yes, I know that in the movies Gambit and Rogue have never met each other, but it really takes a lot more than that to discourage me.
- English is not my first language, if you see any mistake please let me know, I’d appreciate it.
I recommend this because is from XMDOFP and I think (sorry if my brain fails me) is the first fic I review from that timeline.
Is just how a fic from Days of Future Past needs to be: desperate, angsty and dramatic.
I wanted to chime in to say that this beautifully imagined short fic has all the grim realism of the best Days of Future Past stories, but with our luminous Rogue and a strangely merciful Gambit. Also, there’s smut. Really good, angsty smut.
Friends, after a Tumblr hiatus (life, blabla), I’ve returned to the fandom by way of writing my first fanfiction. It’s a Kurt Wagner/Rogue fic, set during Chris Claremont’s run, sometime after Uncanny X-men #204, after Kurt’s lost his faith, broke up with Amanda, and Rogue is new to the team.
The X-men are in shambles. Professor X is up in space and Magneto is the unexpected new head of the institute. Malaise is in the air.
And Dr. MacTaggert’s developed a temporary cure for Rogue.
PSA: Nightcrawler and Rogue are not actually siblings!
Read it on Fanfiction.net or Archive of Our Own.
Many thanks to @ludi-ling for heroically beta-reading what is *not* her ship. To @random-rave to talking me through the setting. To @cajuncajole for “not minding” this ship (lol), and @xevg for encouraging me in her special way.
Art fr. Uncanny X-men #174, by Paul Smith, Glynis Oliver, Bob Wiacek.
Bonjour!
Wow! It's been a while since there's been a new episode. All this darn flu and coughing mess going around and it got me!
Bonjour!
Wow! It’s been a while since there’s been a new episode. All this darn flu and coughing mess going around and it got me!
Today we chat with @narwhallove and even though she’s answered some of these questions already on other shows, I still ask her questions. We also take a turn or two and go off on other things. Sorry!
The contest is going to be extended to March 1st, due to more people wanting to join in but couldn’t due to school, work, sickness, etc.
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Listen to me cut off my dear friend @cajuncajole over and over again in my excessive excitement about Rogue & Gambit in this podcast. **I’m so sorry, Riley. There were moments I couldn’t hear you over the line, and moments I was just an ass.**
Read about @cajuncajole’s cosplaying and relationship to Gambit an interview with him here. Lots of art and photos!
Behind the Curtain: Interview with Romy Writer Ludi-Ling
House of Cards actually started out as a random smut scene that burgeoned into something far, far more.
@ludi-ling goes meta in our final interview about her writing process; how the Romy fandom’s changed over the years; alternate universes (AU); and the role of smut for Romy fans. (Spoiler alert, our heroes are hot.)
No surprise that it’s a pleasure interviewing Ludi. I kept sending her more questions (25 total!) because her responses fascinated me and inspired me to ask more. It’s a rare person who writes visceral, startling prose and can also talk about her work with clarity, intelligence, and an affection for her characters that doesn’t occlude good writerly judgment.
The superlatives don’t end there. Anyone who knows the community knows that Ludi is a friend to her readers and to her fellow writers. As we all enter a heady 2019, reading Mr. and Mrs. X together, Ludi is someone to cherish.
If you haven’t read our other interviews, please check out:
Part 1 of interviews: X-men Origins
Part 2 of interviews: Going Dark
As a scholar of fan studies, do you believe Romy fanfiction fulfills needs that Marvel never can? What needs might those be, for Romy fans?
Certainly I think that fanfic is built on the premise of filling in the gaps, scribbling in the margins (to quote the seminal fan studies scholar, Henry Jenkins!) and fixing perceived wrongs. Comics are unique in that regard because the characters and stories within them continue for years and even decades. Comics continuities are convoluted and complicated, and there is a constant churn of writers working on them. Many fans have followed characters for far longer than the writers, and may know the characters more intimately than the professionals. Comics are full of retcons and contradictory takes on the characters. And I think fanfic is an important medium for allowing fans to “fix” that, to negotiate it. Because of the ongoing nature of comics, and because the futures of the characters are always going to be nebulous and subject to the whims of Marvel and the writers indefinitely, I think it’s going to continue to be important. Romy may be married in the comics, but there will still be plenty to write about—kids, divorce, a reconciliation . . . who knows? ;)
What do you think Romy readers seek out when they read fanfiction? If it’s wish fulfillment, what kinds of wishes are being fulfilled? If it’s looking for “gaps” that the comics skip over, what have you found to be the most common sorts of gaps?
I think Romy is a very interesting example of the “wish fulfillment” function of fanfiction. Because part of the mystique of that ship (no pun intended) is that they can’t touch, they can’t consummate their relationship . . . And fanfic is a way that fans can get them to touch, to work out that angst. I think that one of the staples of Romy fic is the sexual tension between the two, and how they resolve that; the push and pull between them. Sometimes these take place in epic, superheroic backdrops, sometimes in AUs, where they have no mutant powers and where the tension between them is born from other factors (such as already having significant others, or being enemies, or in illicit lines of work).
What draws you to AUs? Your stories aren’t a case of fanfiction filling what’s “between panels”; you tend to shift characters and relationships to entirely different settings, whether it’s a Strange Days–like world or another genre, like a Southern gothic procedural. Can you talk about AUs and how they play out in your imagination?
What I’ve always liked is world-building. One of my first large-scale writing projects was a fantasy trilogy called The Legend of Elu. Most of the fun I got from that was actually building the world, the kingdoms, the mythology, the theology, the languages, the history of that story. That definitely bled into my fanfic.
Now I tend to write canon stuff as one-shots, and novel-length stuff as AUs, because they give me more space to play with world-building. That was something I realised I enjoyed more when I wrote Threads. Writing all those little worlds in a series of one-shots felt too “small.” HoC was originally an expansion of the Threads tale Touch and Go, but it grew into something else, and since then, I’ve preferred to go the AU route for the longer-form stories. :)
We’re living in peak Romy times—I think we’re still reeling from the wedding! Let’s say you had the power to go back in time and drop a pin into an earlier moment in the Romy timeline that you felt truly represents what Romy means to you (which isn’t the same as when they’re happiest!). When and in what universe? Why this choice?
There are so many iconic moments from Romy’s past, but, for me personally, I always go back to their time in Valle Soleada (in X-Treme X-Men). That’s not because they’re happy per se, but because I think that that period was the perfect example of how great they worked together on every level, and was proof positive that they were a good match. I often say it, but I will say it again here, because it’s the truth, and y’all can fight me to the death over it—if there was a time they would’ve got married and I would’ve bought it 100%, it would’ve been in Valle Soleada.
On Tumblr, it seems a large contingent of Romy fans are women in their 30s who discovered Romy at a tender age, thanks to the animated series. This includes you and me! There are exceptions, of course. What’s it like for you to have been in the fandom from the early aughts? What changes in the fandom have you noticed between 2003 and 2018?
I really joined the fandom at an exciting time for Romy—they’d just got back together properly after all the turmoil of the Trial of Gambit. X-Treme X-Men was a treat for Romy fans, and Claremont wrote such a great dynamic between them. As fans we were all excited and happy and well-fed on all that Romy goodness.
So it was weird (not to mention disappointing) when the 2004 reboot happened, and Marvel did everything they could to tank Romy. Which is one thing, and I can stomach it if [it were] logically and well written, but it was just so terribly done that I think many of us just tapped out of the fandom completely. I’d say 2005–2018 were fallow years for the Romy fandom. Most (if not all) of the fan friends I made at that time completely left the fandom. For myself, as someone who enjoys writing AUs, it was the perfect time to branch out from writing in canon and fitting Romy into my own world.
Who are your influences? What writers do you feel a particular affinity for? Are there writers whom we might be surprised to discover informed your work, but you feel have, despite appearances?
I was heavily influenced by the dark, modern fairytales of Angela Carter about the time that I was writing Queen of Diamonds and Threads. She had a really magical way with words—her prose was lyrical, sensual, and unbelievably rich. She was a huge inspiration, but later I moved away from her tone, firstly because I felt I was doing a poor imitation of her, secondly because it wasn’t really appropriate for the direction I wanted to move my fics in, and lastly because I was becoming self-conscious of my insane verbosity and wanted to pare down my prose. That’s something I’m still working on!
At some point during the writing of House of Cards, I finally got round to reading Hitchiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, and I think it was Douglas Adams who convinced me to move away from Carter’s beautiful but too-flowery prose. I loved the way his narrative just sizzled. I’m bad at capturing that energy—but I do think that from HoC onwards, I’ve tried to learn to be more economical with my words—which is hard for a florid soul like mine.
Threads—structurally at least—was influenced by Italo Calvino’s If On a Winter’s Night a Traveller, and later, by David Mitchell’s Cloud Atlas.
Let’s say you can pair your fiction with other works of art—of all forms, films, paintings, music, etc.—as if you were pairing wines to foods. What other pieces of art might you say go along with yours?
Wow! OK—that’s hard. Threads I’d probably pair with Cloud Atlas (the book, not the film, which I haven’t yet watched). HoC—I don’t know that there’s any one thing I would pair it with, but you can bet a load of post-apocalyptic stuff was thrown into that stew, along with a bit of The Matrix and probably some Inception.
52 Pickup was influenced a lot by Asmus’s Gambit run, cos I really wanted to write a heist fic with Remy and Rogue rather than Remy and Joelle (who I freely admit kicked ass). But if I had to pair it with a piece of media, it’d be with the video game Remember Me, which dealt a lot with themes of how memories inform our identities, and the ethical concerns of having memories essentially become “documents” that are uploaded and shared digitally through the cloud.
This is a good segue to talk about high-low culture. We may not want to believe in a hierarchy of culture, but we can certainly talk about the differences between fanfiction and “regular fiction.” When you read fanfiction, do you approach it differently than you would regular fiction? Are your expectations for form, reading pleasure, or anything else different? If so, how so?
Interesting question! I don’t know whether I approach it differently per se, but I think that readers have different expectations of fanfic. Hopefully we all read “regular fiction” for the same reason we read fanfic—for pleasure. But I don’t think there’s really a binary between regular and fanfiction. I think both exist on a continuum. There is a lot of “regular fiction” (I prefer to call it “profic” or “professional fiction,” because I think that’s where the binary between the two exists) that is actually very close to fanfic, and vice versa. By that I mean that there is plenty of fanfic that is epic in scope, deals with serious themes, and might be considered “classics” if they weren’t fanfiction.
And there is also profic, like romance, that is more similar to fanfic in terms of the kind of functions that it serves. There is an illicit pleasure to reading romance—for example, it’s not the kind of thing you’d openly read in public! There’s a similarity between that and fanfic, and I think, as readers of fanfic, we anticipate some level of illicitness when we approach it—even if the illicitness is only in the format (i.e., it’s fanfiction!), not in the content.
Fun question: What role do you think explicit smut functions in a fic? How do you deal with smut in your work? There’s an interesting moment that’s not in HoC, in which you write about Gambit and Rogue’s first time having sex in his point of view. It’s a separate chapter that exists as its own entity on your fanfiction.net page. Notably, it is much more explicit than the scene in Rogue’s perspective. Can you talk a little bit about this decision?
Well, I do think that fanfic is a safe space for writers to explore their sexuality (and I think that’s a huge part of the reason why fic is looked down upon), and smut plays a significant role in that. And smut certainly plays a part in my own fics. HoC actually started out as a random smut scene that burgeoned into something far, far more. Generally, I do try to make the sex scenes have a purpose in the plot (’cos I’m kind of anal about plot structure!), but in the particular case of Slow Burn and the other HoC vignettes, those are more self-contained one-shots where I could explore things that I couldn’t explore in the main story. So I could indulge in the smut a bit more! And let’s be honest—Gambit’s dark sexuality makes it thrilling to write smut from his perspective—of course his “thoughts” are going to be more explicit! ;)
But I also think that it’s interesting to write their individual perspectives on their sexual encounters, because of that tension between their characters. Rogue is the quintessential virginal Southern Baptist gal who’s inexperienced; whereas Gambit is the sexually aggressive alpha male who’s probably never had a woman turn him down in his life. That makes for a very combustive love affair between the two, and makes it fun to write that love affair (and all the smut in-between) from both their points of view.
Ludi, after seeing that nobody complains about Joelle, I saw the elephant in the room. Joelle and the other chicks Remy has interacted with are not seen as threats because they are so temporary and one-side characters created for Gambit's series. They are never seen as a threat. If Gambit got with Jean or Polaris then there would be ruckus.
I mean, you’re not wrong… IMHO.
There are times when Gambit has (almost) got cozy with other X-women, like Frenzy, Polaris and Cecelia Reyes, and certainly with other women…. But he’s never had any full-fledged relationships with anyone other than Rogue. IMHO I think fans don’t mind that because psychologically it shows that while Remy is (was) trying to move on from Rogue, when it came to it he wasn’t able to. Which warms our fangirl hearts.Rogue, on the other hand, was able to move on. Which does not warm fangirl hearts.
Ergo, if Remy had moved on with an X-woman, or any woman, I suspect it would meet the same reaction.
FWIW, I wouldn’t have minded if Remy chose to pursue a relationship with someone else… I’m just not sure who it would’ve been from an emotional or psychological viewpoint. The closest I can think of would be Belle or Storm, which I talked about in a previous post here. :)
If I’m being very honest, I wouldn’t have minded either of them moving on in 616, given the way things it had deteriorated between them before the mini. Like, had Rogue actually had a thing with Deadpool?? CUTE!! I bought that passionate as hell kiss! Or Johnny? WHOLESOME. And had Remy actually had a thing with Cecilia, it would have been short lived, I think, but I wouldn’t have been mad at it. I think, had the people moved on with made sense to us as readers, we wouldn’t have been HAPPY about a broken up and moved along Romy, but we wouldn’t have been upset, either.
However, what we got was unable-to-move-on Remy, and Rogneto, which put them at an imbalance, and the ship was stupid on many fronts, anyway. I feel like if Remy had been shoved off with Polaris or Joelle, or Jean, or whoever, it wouldn’t have made sense, either, and probably would have disgusted just as many fans.
But I might be putting too much faith in the notion that we’re moving past double standards, because lord knows, there’s a definite one Rogue has been held to!
That’s my benchmark. If it makes sense, and I can buy it, then I’m not going to get angry about it. If it doesn’t, then I walk away.
And I do think if Remy had been shoved off into a relationship with anyone else, without making it make sense, people would have been less forgiving than they are of his philandering and one-night-stands. BUT… I’m sure there is a little bit of an old double standard playing in there too, at least with some people (which I also talk about in this post).
For my two cents, I love both of them together and separately - but sometimes when they are apart, drama and relationships seem shoehorned in for the sake of it. Aside from the they-can-touch-because-magnets, do Rogue and Magneto actually have anything to bring them together? They were enemies for so long; what connect them? Is Joseph it?
Beyond the fact that the writers wanted Rogue to be with *someone* I can’t see the logic behind it.
I do see the logic behind Remy sleeping around when they aren’t together. He is taking care of his own wants and needs with or without Rogue. I just … cannot fathom who else he would actually form a solid relationship with.
I guess I just like to see their character growth together more than I like their stagnation together, or their uneven, jerky growth apart.
Rogneto actually has a long history, longer than Romy even, which many new Romy shippers may not know about because it lay fallow for a very long time. Rogue and Magneto joined forces in the Savage Land (I think this was about Uncanny X-Men #269-274?), and there was clearly some chemistry going on between them at that time.
And that’s about it. Before X-Men Legacy, that was pretty much the entire basis for Rogneto. For some reason I can’t quite identify, it was bigged up over the years with writers making constant references to Rogue and Magneto’s attraction to one another and how they could’ve loved one another once. Which is fine as far as it goes, except this was all based on a couple of panels where they nearly kiss or they look deeply into one another’s eyes. I mean, okay. How you get from that what happened in X-Men Legacy, including all the stuff in-between where they were both continually cold to one another, is rather… baffling to me.
In contrast, Rogue and Joseph… well they had a long slow build-up towards something that could have been a genuine, loving relationship. Which is why IMHO, they made more sense than Rogneto.
I’m pretty sure I’ve said this all before and am repeating myself! Honestly, I really don’t want to trash Rogneto, and if that’s the ship you sail, more power to you. I’m just speaking for myself here. It’s possible I may have missed some really obvious scene where it was implied that there was something more meaningful between them than a couple of nearly kisses and looking deeply into one another’s eyes…. And if so, please do let me know, because I clearly need to be educated!
In the meantime, I’ll still rationalise Carey’s Rogneto by saying that Rogue was still channelling memories/emotions of Legacy’s apparent crush on him, and that’s what spurred her on into his bed. :p
I agree with your analysis @ludi-ling! I can accept any relationship that Remy or Rogue enter into as long as it’s written well and makes sense. And yea I agree on the whole Legacy’s influence bit. Your analysis of the meta is always amazing.
Damn, I’m throwing my hat in this ring, too. @ludi-ling, forgive me in advance. This is not an argument for Rogneto, but some thoughts on why they’ve connected in the past.
I’ve always taken Rogue’s willingness to deal with Mags, even when he’s at his most psycho, as signifier of her belief that she has a special in with him. And she’s not totally wrong.
From X-men Vol. 2, #1—Rogue ditches the Blackbird for a diplomatic tête-à-tête. Unsurprisingly, things don’t go well; she gets blown up two pages later. In #2, she tries again, at least until Betsy stabs him.
Why? I think *how* she met Magneto matters, in contrast to how she met Remy. They’re introduced off panel in Uncanny #196,* as Xavier is slowly dying. Magneto has reformed his ways, and at Xavier’s request, leads the school after #200. He’s also adopted Xavier’s philosophy, no small thing.
So Rogue has met a reformed villain, much like herself, whom she knows is capable of great good. Later on, in #269, he saves her from a zombie version of Carol Danvers—a nightmarish reminder of her greatest act of villainy.
Given that Rogue fled her adoptive mother because of her inability to control Carol Danvers’s psyche, it’s no surprise that being literally rescued by reformed villain Magneto makes the ole girl feel extra connected to him. That he understands her pain and she understands something of his.
When Rogue met Gambit, he was ostensibly a hero. His dark past began to reveal itself not by his own admission, but by creepy insinuation from outright baddies like Sabretooth. (Oh the angst!) In contrast, Magneto told anyone who had a second to spare his backstory. Granted, everything with Gambit was terribly complicated—he was young, he was desperate—but I’m not going out on a limb saying that Rogue saw in black and white, good and bad. Her upright heroism is surely informed by her absorption of Miss Marvel, for good or ill.
All said, the arc in which Rogue keeps negotiating with Magneto is the same one in which she and Remy start flirting. By the pool, on Asteroid M, when they’re under his influence. (They seem to get along *really* well when they’re under someone else’s control! Magneto or Shadow King!)
So while I’m a Romy fan, I think Rogneto shippers have a solid basis for their ship. Not that anyone needs my goddamn permission. It’s certainly not one I would prefer—a mentor-pupil relationship with a great age disparity is not my thing, but à chacun son goût, Rems might say. Which means, no way.
*Unless this shit, like all shit, has been retconned.
Can you talk about the importance of smut in Romy fanfiction? For example, do you think the long drought of Romy in canon made smut crucial wish fulfillment for Romy fans? Or are most readers just trying to imagine themselves in Rogue's shoes?
Great question! The short answer is yes, I do think that the massive dry spell between Romy is what pushes a lot of us writers to, at the very least, imply that sex is happening, and that no, I actually don’t think too much of it is us projecting onto Rogue.
To really get into it, though, is a bit more of a complex answer. Fanfic seems, to me, as largely a ‘what if?’ or a ‘fix it’ sort of situation in response to what we read in comics, or watch in movies, etc. We see our beloved characters thrust into a certain trajectory, or conflict, or trope, and we sort of naturally look to explore around or outside of those parameters, and a lot of times, resolve the conflicts. In the case of Romy, we have this insanely hot, highly sensai, and sexually aggressive male falling ass-over-teakettle for a ridiculously stunning woman who is virginal to her toes, and seemingly can’t offer him anything in the relationship aside from her ‘sparkling’ personality, and she knows that, thus creating a nasty insecurity and souring her disposition about the whole thing. On top of that, Remy was then allowed considerable character growth over the years, while Rogue seemed unable to move past her issues in any real way, thus stunting her development.
This all created a frustrating circle of conflict, insecurity, and sexual tension between them, which was fun and interesting at first. She was the fun and sassy strong woman telling the very devil himself ‘no’, and he couldn’t do a thing about it except get to know her as a friend, and then legitimately fall in love with her. Unfortunately, that rip of sexual tension and virginal gasping at his boldness was played on too long, as were certain aspects of both characters’ personalities (secrecy, distrust, tendency toward poor communication, etc), and readers were left with this giant, obnoxious as all hell, unresolved problem that honestly, we can figure out in a matter of seconds.
Which, we did! In glorious fic form, over and over again, in every spin and AU you can imagine!
Now, I’m sure there is a little bit of wishful thinking on the part of many writers, as is sort of a natural tendency in any fandom. You just look at the sheer amount of smut featuring Remy as the very best example of male beauty, masculinity, and sexual prowess, and Rogue typically being portrayed as wildly and wholly responsive lover to everything he does, and you can see it at play. Even the more realisticly written sex scenes, the ones written from experiences, have it to some extent or another.
All in all, though, I would say that the sex in Romy fanfic has more to do with that ultimate resolution of Rogue’s complete lack of physical touch, having the couple finally address all obstacles and either hash them out or move on (like normal, functional people do), as well as satisfying that need to see her finally mature past that eternal ‘pure’ status, and grow.
@jehilew Follow-up: How do you think the marriage will change or shape the place of smut in Romy fanfic? Are you worried the brilliant fireworks of all the fanfic smut might be doused by a canonical union?
If not, what new roads do you see Romy smut taking us down? @ludi-ling, I would love if you chimed in, too, because the marriage does feel like a huge monkey wrench for you writers.
And thank you, @jehilew, for responding so eloquently about smutty mcsmut. ;-)
I’m naturally more drawn to moral greyness because it reflects my own character.
What follows are intimate thoughts from Rogue & Gambit (Romy) writer @ludi-ling, on the recurring themes of darkness, trauma, and isolation in her fiction. Where they come from, why, and how they manifest in the romance between Rogue and Remy.
“I was a zombie for three days reading this!” or “This fic should come with a fluffy bunny to comfort me” are typical comments on your work in the pages of fanfiction.net.
Your work is known for darkness and intensity—betrayals, pyrrhic victories, and Christ-like sacrifices that fail. Yet these are earned; the work never feels cheap or shocking for the sake of shocking. What draws you to such darkness?
Honestly—it’s my own past that draws me to that darkness. I was constantly bullied as a child; I lost my dad at 20; I went through some rough family stuff through my teens; I’ve been fighting depression for most of my life. Life often felt like a struggle in my younger years. That bled a lot into my fiction. Fiction was my outlet, my way of navigating the pain in my life.
As time has gone by, as I’ve matured and come to terms with my past, and become a much happier person, I do feel like my stories have “lightened.” But you know—I don’t think that impulse to write about people’s struggles will ever die.
I often think—How do we learn what happiness is? By learning what it is to suffer. Suffering isn’t only in macro-level shocks and horrors (though there is that); it’s in the little struggles we go through every day. The little hurts. Getting through those little hurts and struggles casts into greater relief the little joys we experience throughout our lives. To appreciate times of happiness more. I do try to write stories where the trials in Rogue and Gambit's lives are ones we can relate to more personally as well as on an epic, superhero level—so that when they do find joy, it's all the more profound.
And you will notice that, in general, I always give my heroes a happy ending. They deserve it after all they’ve been through. :)
A specific theme that runs through your longer works is past trauma. . .
In House of Cards, it’s Rogue’s lone survival of the destruction of the mansion. In 52 Pickup, she is unmoored from her identity and history. In the remarkably grim Queen of Diamonds, trauma is everywhere: childhood abuse, Rogue and Gambit’s survival of Vargas. In each of these narratives, our heroes’ present isn’t much brighter, either. Can you talk about trauma in relation to your writing?
Absolutely, I believe that trauma is a driving force for my writing, and, I would posit, many writers would say the same. I have battled depression since I was 20 (probably younger, but that’s when I was diagnosed), and writing has always been a therapeutic exercise for me. Not merely as a form of escape, but as a way to articulate, understand, and release some of my own trauma—even though it is very different from the traumas Rogue and Gambit and other characters have gone through.
Rogue and Gambit have both had traumatic childhoods, and probably have issues around abandonment, among other things. In many ways, I relate to them because of the pain they must’ve endured at various points in their lives. As humans, we may not be able to relate to the traumas of being a superhero, but we can certainly relate to the traumas of being abandoned, of not fitting in, of failing, of despair, of being hated and scorned, of losing the people we love. These are universals—and they make us into what we are in the present. In the past, there are times I’ve hurt so bad, and my way of making sense of that is to try and unpick and unravel that. Fanfic is a way for me to take a step back and look at that, examine it.
You portray Rogue and Gambit as the ultimate single children. They’re always solitary, often estranged. Their voices are deeply internal. A particularly striking moment is in Twist of Fate, when Rogue “adopts” Rachel Grey, another character known to be alone, despite having (complicated) siblings. I happen to know you have a sister and brother you’re close with—so can you talk about the solitude that runs through your work? Is there something true to life about that for you?
I come from a very close-knit family, and I have two siblings whom I am very close to. But as a person, in myself—I am solitary. It is hard for me to describe, but I have actually always felt estranged from the world. I have never felt like I truly fit in anywhere, or that others really understand me. So I suppose it is no surprise that estrangement is a theme in my writing. Loneliness and isolation are things I’ve constantly tried to come to terms with in the past; but there is also the need to belong, to connect with others.
I think, despite having a family, Gambit has always been very much aware that he is different; yet the LeBeaus took him in and loved him, and so his eventual exile was an extra kick in the teeth. He learned to stop trusting others and to be suspicious of those who would extend a helping hand. Rogue has always been isolated, but has always wanted to desperately to belong to something, to have the kind of family that Gambit had, big and warm and loving. Her isolation is self-imposed—a fear that getting too close to people emotionally might entail getting close to them physically—but I don’t think that stops her from wanting that closeness, deep down.
In a recent Tumblr Ask, you wrote: “One of the things that bugs me about [HoC] in retrospect is that [Rogue] is a more passive character—things happen around her, and she often has very little agency. . . . Writing 52PU was my ‘reply’ to HOC—to write a Rogue who was kickass and very much in control of her own destination, despite how damaged she was.”
Have you found yourself “flipping the script” from one project to another in other ways? Did you find yourself flipping the script with Gambit’s character, in the same way you did with Rogue, at any point?
If I’ve ever flipped the script, I don’t think it’s ever been entirely a conscious decision until 52PU. The things that bother me now about QoD and the HoC series is that Rogue is more of the damsel in distress to Remy’s knight-in-shining-armour, and while that narrative has its place, it has become glaring to me. I wanted to write a narrative where they could both stymie and save one another equally.
In QoD, Rogue is a literal damsel in distress, and Remy has to save her. In HoC, while Mystique calls Rogue “one of her best operatives,” in fact, most of her successes are down to Gambit himself. After I wrote the series, that really irked me—thus resulting in Rogue being more empowered in 52PU.
About flipping Gambit’s character—that is an interesting thought, but I don’t know that it’s something I could do, mainly because I’ve always felt I’ve written Gambit as I see him—more or less anyway. The closest I’ve come to turning his character on its head was in 52PU, because there were so many times that Rogue outsmarted him and gave him a run for his money. This gave him less agency at times—but it felt far more satisfying because they had to learn to work with one another instead of against one another, and in the end the relationship between him and Anna felt earned.
You’ve intimated that writing in Gambit’s point of view interests you more—if in part because it allows you to explore his moral “grayness,” as opposed to Rogue’s straight-up heroism. I might be putting words in your mouth. Can you give us the breakdown of what it’s like for you to write in Gambit’s POV, and then in Rogue’s?
I’m naturally more drawn to moral greyness because I suppose it reflects my own character. Rogue is more altruistic and certainly more idealistic, which I find admirable but naive. I am not a very optimistic kind of person! Remy’s stance—pessimistic realism and cynicism—is definitely more the way I see the world. But he always has this streak of nobility that shines through all the more for the darkness in his character, and that makes him all the more attractive to write. Because of these reasons, I find it far easier—or rather, more natural—to write from Gambit’s POV.
Not to say that Rogue’s is hard, just that hers is a voice that isn’t quite my own. I wouldn’t say getting into her mental space is difficult per se—as a writer, I think you have to have some mental flexibility and empathy to allow yourself to walk in a character’s shoes. In a way, you “embody” the character. Their thoughts, their emotions, their motivations—they all become yours.
I suppose it’s a little bit like being an actor. Some characters’ roles are just more enjoyable than others. Give me Scott Summers, and I could probably write him but be bored to hell while doing it, lol. With Remy, though . . . it’s just fun all the way. ;)
Stay tuned for the third and final installment of my interview with Ludi, where we go meta and about her writing process and the Romy fandom. If you don’t follow her on Tumblr @ludi-ling, you’re missing out! You can also find her work in Archive of Our Own.
The first installment of our interview is here. Please drop a nice word or two for Ludi in the comments!
I love this sequence, starting with our heroine watching her fellow Avengers celebrate their victory from the sidelines. Her head inclined, she’s a little thoughtful, little mournful. Until she sees an injured Deadpool leave the party early. Larraz’s depiction of her glance, whilst she drinks her whiskey, is somewhat cartoony—the cartooniness signals her clumsy, almost childish realization: “Here’s my cue!”
In the third panel, she’s already kissed Deadpool, her face spotted with his lesions. She says, “I don’t care how I like,” but she hardly need say that—her triumph is all in the alert bright eyes.
In the fourth panel, what spontaneity! Because they’re mostly silhouette, against an ombre red background, the focus is really on Rogue’s forward lunge, her determination, insistence, even nerves that she’s gotta make this happen.
I wish Rogue would kiss Gambit like this in MMX.
And …
Two full-page panels of our heroine in the sky in a single issue. Except this time, instead of grieving for Professor X, Rogue remembers her life, her youth, her passion. And she kisses Deadpool.
I’ve written in some detail about this luminous panel here.
Uncanny Avengers #22
Pencils: Pepe Larraz
Colors: David Curiel
Can you apply some of your analytical magic to the scenes that Rachel and Jean share in the latest issue of X-Men Red?
Thanks for your question, @secretlyasummers. This was deceptivelycomplex, and I just had to address some Phoenix iconography!
Let’s look at two pages from X-men Red #9. The first features Jean Grey descending on CassandraNova—while Rachel, in Hound form, rockets up to fight her.
There are few images of Jean in flight that don’treference Dave Cockrum’s divine icon in UncannyX-men #101. With her hair billowing upward, her placement directly in thecenter of the panel, Phoenix is viewed straight-on. When an artist situates a figure in the center of a canvas, straight-on, what they communicate is immovable power. We see this tactic inall kinds of militaristic and imperial art, from Egyptian kings to Henry VIII.
Compare Antonio’s Jean with Cockrum’s; both frightening for differingreasons. Cockrum’s Jean explodes upward, connoting chaos, as we seefrom her open mouth and shut eyes. This Jean looks at herself and demands others to do the same, even as she radiates water and psychic energy away from herself.
Antonio’s Jean is all calm collection. Chin raised, body still, she appearsto slowly float. She doesn’t speak; she doesn’t have to. Her eyes observe theexterior world, but she doesn’t seem to need her eyes to understand anything, as they appear out of focus.This Jean is in control.
She’s descending from heaven, for our view is not quite straight-on. It’s subtle: Jean’s lower limbs are slightly larger than her head. In this perspective, we’re gravity-bound mortals gaping up at her. Nothing from earth is going to touch her. Antonio lets you know right away Rachel has zero chance.
Rachel surges out of the lower right. She is not in a position of immovable power: herdiagonally set shoulders lend her dynamism, but no sense of personal power, as Antonio’ssqueezed her to a corner like an afterthought. Her foreshortened body makes her appear muchsmaller than Jean.
Notice how the shape of her cape, which forms a V, mirrorsthe V of Jean’s sizzling psibolts. This suggests that the two women areconnected. However, Rain Beredo’s colors offer another story: Jean’s costume isred and her psibolts are pink—two colors closely related enough to make Jeanappear unified. She’s one withherself.
Poor Rachel’s costume is red, too, but she’s surrounded by Nova’spsychic energy, and in typical Silver Age–villain form, it’s green. Red andgreen sit directly opposite each other on the color wheel. Rachel is not unified. As we learn later on, she’sbattling Nova’s influence and is literally of two minds.
On the second page …
A few small things: Firstly, the trio oftop panels beautifully signals Rachel’s recovery in the gradualfading of her Hound marks. In each panel, the background grows less green, too.Nova’s grip fades. Yet Rachel is still small, still exceeded by a greaterpower, as seen by Jean’s shadow on her face.
What an interesting arrangement their bodies make in thebleed. Motherly, Jean hovers over Rachel, broken collar in hand. If they were Tetrispieces—Jean being the zigzag and Rachel the L—you know that Jean is the piecepropping up Rachel. Rachel’s body conforms to Jean’s, she’s on herknees. She’s thoroughly submissive.
In fact, with her red cape swung over her back, Rachel isnearly as visually abstract as a Tetris piece: a red rectangle topped by anorange ball. Though she’s back to her own self, she’s hardly a person thereader can see clearly. Maybe she can’tsee herself clearly, either.
As with all things regarding Rachel Grey, all one can do issigh and say, “Poor Rachel.”
Thanks again, @secretlyasummers!
X-men Red #9 (2018)Pencils: Roge AntonioColors: Rain Beredo
Uncanny X-men #101 (1976)Pencils: Dave CockrumInks: Frank ChiaramonteColors: B. Wilford
X-men Origins: Interview with Romy Writer Ludi-ling
It was nice to know I wasn’t alone—not that I was embarrassed by the fact that I wrote fanfic. It just put a name to what I was doing.
If you ship characters Rogue and Gambit (Romy), @ludi-ling hardly needs introduction. Author of thirty works, she’s best known for two novels: House of Cards—which imagines Rogue and Gambit surviving the Days of Future Past universe—and 52 Pickup—wherein they lie, cheat, and fall in love, in a cyberpunk future.
Ludi is a Renaissance woman: Information Science PhD, with a specialty in fan studies, and accomplished visual artist—see below! She’s the bee’s knees, the cat’s meow ... with a soul dark as the scream you can’t scream because your mouth is taped.
Reading her work is like walking through an abandoned city. Most of the streetlamps don’t work; it’s moonlight glancing off broken glass that guides your step. The noise you hear is either the breeze or someone weeping. Still, the air smells like eucalyptus, it’s cool and it refreshes you. You’re excited in the knowledge that whatever’s ahead of you ... you’re not ready.
I believe you're currently writing a sequel to 52 Pickup, which concludes with our heroes romantically united. Have recent titles, like Rogue & Gambit (R&G) and Mr. & Mrs. X (MMX), or the marriage! affected the way you approach your latest work?
Haha, yes, the infamous sequel that may nor may not ever get finished! ;) I would say, no, R&G, MMX or the marriage, have not affected it. 52 Pickup is its own contained universe, and what is happening there is so very different from what is happening in canon. Mind you, at the end of the latest issue of MMX #5, I did get the sense that maybe Rogue feels a little awkward of walking into Remy’s life, and that perhaps there is the potential that she would have difficulty coming to terms with fitting herself into what he has built. That is actually an issue in Crazy 8′s (the sequel to 52PU) that I have been tackling. Anna has abandoned a life without real roots to settle down with Remy, who's built his own life in London. He has a job, friends, a social life, an apartment of his own—Anna has none of those things, and it becomes difficult for her to deal with the fact that everything in her current life belongs to him—that she is fitting herself around his life. I can see that happening, though to a lesser degree, in MMX. I'm not sure it's a path Kelly Thompson would want to go down, considering the current tone of the title.
When did you begin writing fanfiction?
I started writing Romy fanfiction in 2003. Most of that stuff was not actually posted on the internet (a lot of it was smut that was supposed to be anchored in a wider storyline that never got written). As for fanfic in general—I started writing it quite young. The first real piece of fanfic I wrote would have been for Sailor Moon, back in about 1994 (when I was 13).
What spurred you to suddenly sit down and do it? Did you read other fanfiction, and realize, "I can do this," or did you do it solo, only to discover other people did the same?
I was just so interested and, I supposed, immersed in the Sailor Moon world, and so in love with the characters (especially Sailor Mars) that I felt the urge to write further stories that were all my own, and that expanded the universe in some way.
At the time, I did not know the fanfiction itself existed as a phenomenon. I would not discover that until a few years later, about 1998, when I was obsessed with the video game Final Fantasy 7, and went looking for news and information on it online. I then discovered that fanfiction existed, and it was nice to know I wasn't alone—not that I was particularly embarrassed by the fact that I wrote fanfic at all. It just put a name to what I was doing.
What is it about writing fanfiction that appeals to you, personally?
It is the fact that I can flex my creative writing muscles and show my love of a certain world and characters at the same time. It is the fact that I can write meaningful and enjoyable fiction about these worlds that other people also find meaningful and enjoyable. It is the adding to that world, and the ability to improve upon, muse on, and fill the gaps in the original canon. It is the way it opens one up to a wider community, and even to make friends with fellow fans.
What is the first piece you wrote—and is it available online or in the dustbin of history? Do you recall what inspired that first piece?
The first piece of fanfic I wrote was the Sailor Moon one—it was handwritten in a notebook, and I honestly can’t remember what it was called. Because it was handwritten, it was never typed up—it's never been posted online, since, by the time I was on the internet, I'd long lost interest in Sailor Moon. It may be around my house somewhere. I did look a few months ago, and alas, I couldn't track it down.
As for Romy—the first things I wrote for that were nameless scenes and not full, titled stories. They are definitely not online, unless they've now been inserted into wider fics. These would be from the Insurrection X-Men universe, that my sister and I created way back in 2003, with a plan to submit a comic to Marvel's now-defunct Epic imprint. The Insurrection universe was never completed, but what I wrote of it can be found on my old website at http://www.ludis-x-art.co.uk/fanfics/alternate/insurrection.html.
I'm not precisely sure of the chronology of your oeuvre, but for me, Rogue Psychology seems to be the moment you began working with a larger canvas and grappling with more complex character work and plotting. In comparison to some of the later long pieces, it seems less shapely, in that it's not quite a novel and not quite a multiparter with distinct sections (though it appears to). Am I onto something? Was RP a game-changer for you? Do you have any thoughts particular to the construction of RP?
Ah, so, Rogue Psychology was one of the fics in the X-Men Insurrection series. RP was basically a chapter from a wider story. The Insurrection series of fics (all written out of order) were my first attempt at putting together an entire AU world, which I only managed to fully realise in House of Cards, I think. So it's definitely not a novel and definitely not a multiparter, but several scenes that will never be strung together, because the rest of the story in-between is just not there (and, at this juncture, never will be, lol).
Thinking back on the Insurrection stuff, I think it was where the characters of Rogue and Gambit, and maybe just the X-Men universe at large, started to really gel for me. Things like Gambit's relationship to Sinister is one recurring theme in my stories that comes to mind. I feel bad about not completing it, because Insurrection was going to be where I wrote about how Remy progressed to being the Witness, but ... that never happened.
You're best known for writing the House of Cards trilogy and 52 Pickup. Are there other works you're particularly proud of that you'd like people to read next?
The work I'm next best proud of is Threads—but I know that it can be a demanding read for some, so I would say, if it doesn't work for you, don't force yourself to read it! ;)
This begins a series of posts in which I interview Ludi about her work. Future posts will delve deeper on her recurring themes and where all that darkness comes from!
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Uncanny Avengers #22 is all about Rogue, and features two amazing artists: Pepe Larraz and colorist extraordinaire David Curiel.
These 4 panels are only from the first half of the issue: After Rogue’s rescued Professor X’s remains, she and Johnny Storm cremate him in the sky.
These are some of the sweetest melancholy images of Rogue—clutching the box, frowning, while the wind swings her skirt and hair upward. Her resolute pose—feet spread as if she needs to be anchored!—while Johnny sets fire to the box at the same time she throws it. Her wistful backward glance.
That final image—it’s a real Curiel masterpiece of gold and sea blue. Larraz devotes an entire page to the city and sky, with Rogue as a tiny, lonely figure, looking up, thinking of Xavier, her upturned skirt and pointed toes giving her all the melancholy of a Degas ballerina ... perfection.
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