Men who don’t like female revenge fantasies and body horror are secretly misogynist. In this essay I will
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> the fucking millennia of men writing about their self inserts torturing women and it being declared as High Art by other men,
And those men are generally the bad guys. Art can be about bad things happening. That doesn’t mean women or men are supposed to like it. It doesn’t even make the bad guys self-inserts.
But you want to think they are, because it makes the writers easier to demonize.
> but men can’t tolerate three seconds of female wish fulfilment of a woman snapping the wrist of a creep without feeling personally kicked in the balls.
Ah, yes, because escalating to violence over verbal harassment - or even just some guy hitting on her in a boorish way - is a good thing.
Wait, no it isn’t. It’s a sign of an impulse control problem. If some guy did that over a woman hitting on him, you’d be up in arms.
The funny thing is that you’re implying the bad stuff happening is some kind of sick wish fulfillment fantasy on the part of men, and wrong, but it should be just fine for women to have violent wish fulfillment fantasies.
>jennifer’s body
Can anyone name a AAA movie about a handsome teenage boy who gets possessed and turned into an incubus and goes around eating and murdering girls after a some a female indie rock band tries to sacrifice him to Satan? Just one? Anything similar, even? So we can compare the reaction?
Because I’m pretty sure cannibal and possession movies are rare in general.
You’re crying misogyny without actually comparing it to anything.
>Similarly, my all-male reading panel for my thesis? Were so disturbed by my synopsis of the film Teeth that they couldn’t even talk about it. One of them said he couldn’t look at his wife for a week after reading it.
Tell you what; why don’t you make up a movie about a man whose dick can shoot out a spike or secrete a poison that harms women who try to rape him, and see how many women like it. Or that Lust murder in Se7en.
Teeth is supposed to be weird and disturbing by design. If a horror movie’s summary provokes a strong horror reaction in people, maybe there’s nothing wrong with those people. Maybe it just means the movie has a strong premise.
But hey, it’s not like there’s some sort of famous horror movie monster blatantly based on themes of penises, rape, and unwanted pregnancy.
>Then of course you have things like the Gone Girl backlash–men yelling that Amy Dunne is evil and women clamoring to assure everyone that they know she is not someone to emulate–the backlash against Carol Danvers, and, more recently, the griping from MRAs against the upcoming film Hustlers, which is about strippers scamming their Wall Street clients.
Amy Dunne is literally a manipulative, murdering sociopath, and it’s kind of hard to believe no one wants to emulate her when they keep quoting the “cool girl” speech without any qualifiers or disclaimers or even thinking about the possibility that she’s full of crap.
This is also a tad hypocritcal to say on a post implying that the popularity of narratives about horrible men mean men want to emulate them. Not to mention the rumors about Joker causing mass shootings, and how certain people attacked a stereotype of men who liked it.
I’d bet money the “griping from MRAs” comes from Return of Kings or other people who aren’t remotely MRAs.
> My conclusion? Most men–at least most straight, cisgender men, who are both my sample population and most of the ones whining that Carol is a “villain”–
That’s…literally the point of the movie. She was working for and indoctrinated by the bad guys. A militaristic, violent, and xenophobic culture. The Kree were portrayed similarly back in GOTG, what little of them we saw. They turned a blind eye to Ronan’s terrorism.
Also, your “sample population” is less than a dozen men and your assumptions about lots of others. Out of tens of millions in America alone. Dressing up your prejudices in pseudoscientific language doesn’t make them right.
> Woman who frames her cheating husband for murder?
Framing people…for crimes they didn’t do…is bad.
> Woman whose response to harassment–behavior that many of the loudest whiners know is both creepy and reflective of their own thoughts/actions–is to break something?
And there’s the Internet Mind Reading. Coupled with the ol’ pal, vagueness.
> And my dad and brothers? Were deeply disturbed by the movie Jennifer’s Body. I was flabbergasted. It’s not scary! It’s not even that gory. But they were horrified by it. These men who grew up on 70s slashers were legitimately shook by 90 minutes of Megan Fox eating a few teenage boys, mostly off-screen.
And you’re using them to generalize all men? Or even all white cishet men? What does race and sexual preference and gender identity have to do with it?
I love how all of you are ignoring the many people who aren’t stereotypically cishet white dudes who made similar criticisms.
Yes, it’s almost as if we live in a society that tells us men’s suffering and deaths matter less than women’s.
Including feminists like OP, who whinge about ‘women in refrigerators’ but ignore the shedloads of faceless men who die.
Or maybe it’s because female serial killers are much rarer than male serial killers? If the male killer was a one-handed clown, that would be new and shocking too.
You’re using a cartoon about real life to make a point about men’s supposed responses to fictional depictions of women.
Except your side are literally the folks complaining about bad things happening to women, because they make you uncomfortable.
And what a shock, OP, bauliya, has me pre-blocked.
In addition to Ripley - still considered a high water mark for horror and action movie protagonists - we have Sarah Connor. Who was a random waitress in the first Terminator, and became a mentally-unstable paramilitary buttkicker in the second.
Where were the misogynist men complaining about that?
Okay, let’s look at movies. Wonder Woman was widely considered the best character in Batman vs Superman. And until Aquaman came along, people said she had the ONLY good DCEU movie.
Black Widow is a prominent MCU character, and the most controversial thing she did was have an awkward romance subplot with Bruce Banner. And that was mostly controversial with feminists, who bullied Joss Whedon off Twitter because of it.
I can’t think of a single popular complaint about Scarlet Witch, unless you could the people saying she was *too weak* in the IW Kebab fight (she wasn’t, she was just distracted and splitting her attention).
When Marvel said Wanda was the most powerful person in the MCU after Endgame, I don’t remember any complaints, and her upcoming series is hotly anticipated.
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