[transand]

a vicious cycle

[starstruckbaby]

"transmascs love misgendering themselves" hey so are you aware that everytime we try to create inclusive terms we get made fun of? Did you not see how mad TERFs got over the terms "birthing person" or "uterus owner"? We literally can't use terms that wouldn't misgender us because when we do other queer people and people outside the community turn it into a joke.

[dualight]

Preserving @jadwigaspeaks's tags:

#also as far as i can tell most alleged instances of ''transmascs misgendering themselves'' are either#1. a transmasc being gnc / otherwise having fun with gender#2. a transmasc talking about his experiences with misogyny + how being seen *by others* as a woman affected him#or 3. transmascs going into a team/restroom/shelter that's stated to be for women because A. transphobes have specifically banned them from#the men's version or B. the men's version doesn't exist#or C. if the men's version does exist it either cannot or will not meet trans men's needs#none of those can be described in good faith as misgendering one's self#transandrophobia

[ocean-breeze-pier]

If you make disabled trans people feel guilty for existing in a world that already wants us dead, go fuck yourself. Idgaf if you’re trans yourself. You’re adding to an already existing harmful narrative around disability. For many if not most of us, WE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO MATCH THE LABOR AN ABLED BODIED OR LESS IMPACTED PERSON WILL. It is so fucking unfair to use that against us. We already feel guilty enough for existing. Intersectionality also includes disability and too many people forget that. Stop holding us to your standards. Unlearn your ableism NOW. It kills people.

I am SICK of me and my disabled peers being treated like shit for not being able to do things. I wish more than anything to be “normal” and be able to do things. The guilt haunts me everyday. I have to tell myself to keep going even though I don’t want to because of how much pain I’m in from being chronically ill. We are an extremely vulnerable group and instead of acknowledge that, you vilify it and play into ableist tropes that we’re using our disabilities as an excuse. WHAT DO YOU THINK A DISABILITY IS???? It stops people from being able to do shit!!!!!!!! And yet you’re shocked someone disabled can’t do the level of shit you can? It’s disability 101 and you failed.

Disabled people cannot give equal labor. If we could we probably wouldn’t be disabled. Often we have to push ourselves to even give 1/4th and many of us get worse by pushing ourselves. You would rather have that like it’s so (ironically) selfish which is hilarious bc the person in question acted like she was the most selfless person on goddamn planet earth. Which again… is already how many caregivers get treated. They get pitied and treated like saints for putting up with us.

You’re allowed to be frustrated at your past relationship. You’re allowed to vent. But when you push harmful issues around a vulnerable group, that’s where the issue arises. Ohhhhh you’re saying disabled people are fragile too sensitive lazy losers? How is that any different than what society says about us??? You’re not doing theory. You’re not being subversive. You’re an asshole who is masquerading as doing praxis.

[this-is-trans-joy]

everyone loves to hate terfs until they realise that it actually entails rejecting bioessentialism entirely and then suddenly you’re “taking things too seriously” and you “don’t have a sense of humour” like i’m sorry but saying protect the dolls doesn’t make you immune to terfism it has seeped into every corner of mainstream feminism and unless you’re actively searching it out and checking your own biases you will always be at risk of sharing a space with terfs

[this-is-trans-joy]

“Only women can—” nope. “But all men—” nah. “The divine femininity of—” gonna stop you right there. “Everyone born ama—” if you finish that sentence I’ll kill you. “Men don’t experience—” you’re wrong. “Gender isn’t real but sex is imm—” *loud incorrect buzzer*

It also goes without saying that bioessentialism inherently can’t be trans inclusive no matter how hard you try. “All men including trans men—” probably not. “This is only a woman’s issue—” is it really? “Afabs only—” why? “All trans men are like—” what? what are they like? finish the sentence i dare you.

[transmaschottakes]

“omg men trying period pain somulators omg!!”

“men trying pregnancy for a day!!”

“omg what if men could get pregnant hahaha”

“men would suffer if they had female/woman problems!!”

trans and intersex men with endometriosis

trans and intersex men with uteruses

pre-testosterone and pre surgery trans/intersex men

trans and intersex men who gave or can give birth or have gone through pregnancy

trans and intersex men who are still seen as “wrong women” or social experiments by society

trans and intersex men who are excluded when the topic of periods, hygienic and medical care that mainly involve people who are born with female attributes

need i say more

[appleberry--blast]

the thing is even if you don't "believe" in transandrophobia, a lot of people on here are just straight up transphobic to trans men. it is transphobic to say all trans men are evil. it is transphobic to say people should not transition to being a man. "bomb that kills all tboys" is transphobic. it is transphobic to tell trans men to sit down, shut up, and stop bitching when we try to talk about our experiences. if you do not support and love trans men then you are a transphobe.

[frenzyarts]

Happy tdov to people who don’t pass

Happy tdov to people who don’t want to pass

Happy tdov to non-binary and gender queer people who aren’t androgynous

Happy tdov to masculine trans fems and feminine trans mascs

Happy tdov to anyone and everyone who falls under the trans umbrella, even if you’re not out yet

🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️

[rouge-the-bat]

misogynistic cis men and transandrophobic trans radfems will look at trans men and go "theyre shitty and whiny and inferior at everything lol, they need to sit down and shut up" but the TRFs will think theyre Progressive and Punching Up just because they gender the trans men correctly.

i think its pretty obvious how this is fucked up, yes? that so many trans men are treated as inferior while seen as women for much of their life, and then when they come out as trans men they get other queer people telling them the exact same bullshit (while many trans men likely still get treated the same or worse as they already have outside of the queer community)? and told that they have no right to push back against it bc theyre men now and supposedly inherently have so much power in society, regardless of if theyre actually seen as their correct gender in society? can yall not see how thats extremely fucked??????

[redhairandpronouns]

"transandrophobia doesn't exist because cis men don't experience oppression for being men" i'm not sure where in the conversation we got lost but we're not actually talking about cis men right now

[st-dionysus]

OK, but will you love the insane woman who stabs people in the back and does toxic yuri to cope, when he transitions to a man? Hmm? Will you?

[st-dionysus]

Will you celebrate and defend transmasculine anger the way you have put up female rage on a pedestal prior to his transition, or will the righteousness of his anger be invalidated when it can no longer be made pretty with a dress?

[st-dionysus]

Or will you demand that he make himself smaller upon transition? Will you revoke his right to revenge when he grows facial hair? Will you see his body as the shape of an enemy when he comes to you bleeding and begs for rest before he goes back out to the battle? Will you deem him unsafe in his sleep, now that you know his name is Jenson and not Jennifer, Mark and not Miriam, Noel instead of Noelle? And when you push him into the grave and burry him alive to make yourself feel better, will you call that righteous too?

[thewarmvoid]

fake trans man + transmasc lover, I saw you get mad that a transmasc said he’s suffering from misogyny, and then also get mad when he calls it transandrophobia, and then also get mad when he calls it antitransmasculinity and then also get mad when he calls it misandry and then also get mad when he calls it —

[crippled-peeper]

if you enter any primarily-trans or queer social space with the intent to make trans men “sit down” and “shut up” and “give space” etc I consider you a detriment to the mental health of your community members and I’m going to say something to you about it

[st-dionysus]

And for my fellow trans men, I remind you of the "3 ups" provided by Lou Sullivan's FTM Newsletter back in the 90s. They were relevant than and remain relevant now. Stand Up, Show Up, and SPEAK UP. This motto has been what keeps me moving and pushes me to remain active in queer and trans spaces, even when I face isolation, rejection, abuse, or erasure. Nothing will get better until we make it clear that we deserve a space at the table we helped build.

[st-dionysus]

Every day people find new and woke ways to tell us to man up and bury our feelings. New and woke ways to call us bitchy, whiny, and bossy. New and woke ways to say we're hysterical. New and woke ways to define us by their assumptions of our genitals. New and woke ways to victim blame us for the abuse we face. Isn't it fun? Are you having fun? Aren't we all having so much fun?

[unclegrimsley]

you people are so cruel towards transgender men, plain and simple. at some point you have to take a fucking step back from internet discourse and realize that you are just being insanely cruel to a marginalized group that's already incredibly vulnerable to violence, specially sexual and domestic. what are you fucking doing?

[kittenscratches]

Nah im truly fucking sick of transphobes coming into our tags and telling us about our own experiences as if we're stupid little girls and refuse to listen to us, and to also simultaneously paint us as misogynistic men "talking down" to others while literally doing that very thing to us. It's a lose/lose situation: you can't point out that they're being misogynistic towards you because then that just gets you branded as a condescending man weaponising his agab or some bullshit. It's so fucking insidious it's disgusting. I'm not being nice anymore, I'm done. Transmascs we have got to get meaner

[tboy-cock]

this is what transandrophobia in the trans community sounds like to me btw

[tboy-cock]

trans man seeing a post about transmisogyny: hey i also relate to this 🫂

trans radfems: omg typical man talking over women. make your own post dont derail you transmisogynist

trans man: oh ok sorry

trans man: *makes their own post about transandrophobia*

trans radfems: why isnt this about trans women? we experience this too you transmisogynist