YOU CANNOT KILL US IN ANY WAY THAT MATTERS

[mousidy]

the state does not need to assign you a sex, nor does it need to keep inalterable record of it btw

[mousidy]

a very interesting terf objection to this one boils down to "but how would the state know who to protect?" because it speaks to the incredible privilege of being in a class the state actually ever remotely wants to protect. most oppressed groups do not want the state to have a registry of them, lol

[mousidy]

the patriarchy has done a great job convincing white cisgender women that it's in their best interests to maintain it

[vacuously-true]

Researchers can do studies that track disparate impacts across genders just fine without the government storing your assigned sex as part of your legal identity. They do this with race and orientation and disability and so on just fine.

A census can understand population level trends just fine without storing your assigned sex as part of your legal identity. They can ask for this information in the census. The census tracking population level data is not the same as your assigned sex being permanently part of your legal identity. (At least, the way my country does a census.)

Your doctor can know your anatomy by you communicating it to them if/when it is relevant. There is never a time when they might need to know something that could only be conveyed by your assigned sex being officially relayed to them via government documentation. You can just use your words. The same way you tell your doctor any other part of your medical history.

People respond to "the government doesn't need to store your assigned sex as part of your legal identity" as if they are hearing "no one should ever acknowledge gender or sex at all" but that's not what's being said.

Your birth certificate conveys important legal information about you. Your name, as a designation. Your parents, as they have a legal obligation to you. Your place of birth, as that place has a legal obligation to you. Date and time of birth, since age is important for application of some laws.

And sex. That's on there too. But what is the legal relevance? What laws is the government going to apply to you differently based on what sex is on your birth certificate? I can only think of one thing my government really uses that for, and that is to determine who has to sign up for the draft. And guess what, fuck that shit anyway. The government also used to use this to decide who is allowed to marry who. They don't do that anymore. For now.

There is literally no reason my assigned sex needs to be part of my legal identity. My government is not using that for anything (important). It doesn't matter. If the gender markers on everyone's IDs vanished tomorrow nothing (except maybe the draft) would be significantly negatively affected. Data collection for research could continue as usual since researchers usually have people self report these characteristics rather than checking their government IDs. My doctors would still know which organs I have and if they forgot, I could tell them. I don't want anything to be part of my legal identity that doesn't have to be.

[zmpl]

diversity win! the therapist who is contractually obligated to call the police on you if you’re too suicidal works for a 🌈queer affirming practice🌈

[wheelie-sick]

Hi! Since you’re anti-psych, do you view psychiatrists and psychologists the same way, or does anti-psych primarily focus on psychiatrists? I’m not too familiar with the movement

they are both problems & are in the position to abuse power

[paniknatari]

It's all part of one interconnected system. It's not like police and firefighters, where they're both emergency responders but one of them is super cool and will save you and the other one is evil murder guys, it's more like police officers and prison wardens, different jobs same bullshit. Both are 100% capable of imprisoning you without your consent, both can provide actually helpful services.... if you can jump through their hoops correctly and stroke their egos just right, while dodging substantial heaps of straight bullshit and overall pseudoscience.

[encodedincommotion-deactivated2]

it's kind of astounding how much faith people have in psychiatry nowadays. approximately every 20 years since psychiatry was invented psychiatrists have come out with a new announcement that everything their profession has ever done was accidentally torture but they've totally stopped being morally bankrupt monsters now and have finally found a way to treat psychotic people that isn't torture so we can all trust them forever now.

"oh we're sorry about beating people to death to drive out demons, we've invented a wonderful operation that will cure your problems and can be done by any wandering yahoo with an icepick!"

"oh we're sorry about giving people permanent brain damage, we've invented a wonderful machine that shocks your brain back into working right!"

"oh we're sorry that was also permanent brain damage we've invented some wonderful pills that can act as a less harmful chemical lobotomy!"

"oh those pills made the entire rest of your body stop working sorry we have new ones that won't do that."

"oh we're sorry those new pills don't do jack shit for your brain while also still giving you tardive dyskinesia. we decided to revisit the old electrocution cure and we swear it works for real and doesn't use enough electricity to give you permanent brain damage anymore allegedly."

next up: "if you guys are still listening to us at this point i think we can all finally admit you don't care if we torture psychotic people, so don't even worry about it."

[librarycards]

the thing about talking to people about psychiatric abuse is that you quickly learn that there are dozens and dozens of ppl around you who experienced unspeakable trauma at the hands of the psych industry in all its iterations and we just walk through the world inundated by messages re: carceral 'recovery' and 'healing' and 'wellness' silent and sucking ourselves in & choking back the memory of what we endured and feeling as though we're alone, truly alone, lacking even the last names of the people we suffered alongside, but we're literally everywhere, all we need to do is reach out and touch each other

[sapphling]

when talking about efforts to forcibly institutionalize or otherwise wield psychiatric violence against trans people you should be conceptualizing these things not as misuses or perversions of originally well-meaning and necessary processes but instead as natural extensions of the continuum of violence represented by the psychiatric system. this is not a power that psychiatric doctors should hold over anyone, and so long as they do it will continue to disproportionately impact vulnerable groups in devastating ways

[imjunebitch]

if u call urself a misandrist I'm going to assume ur homophobic. I'm gonna assume that ur at the very least weird about trans women like me, that you're going to judge them based on how they pass, on how out they are, on what level of transition they are at. I'm gonna assume ur racist too. like. idk "misandry" very feels like the sorta "feminism" someone is really into when they're in high school and carefully making sure to never think about anything.

[imjunebitch]

and do you believe yourself to be an unfailing arbiter of who that is? and is it truly all cishet men? do you hate men of color, if they are cishet? what about intersex men? why not just hate bigoted people? why find groups of people, groups big enough to undoubtedly contain marginalized people?

[iamgoingtobeatyouwithhammers]

why is all mental health advice "just go to therapy!". like. ffs. no?? i am not??? i don't want to be used for personal gain by a manipulator again??? have you considered that i don't want to go to the torture prison???

like. people. i HAVE been drugged against my will several times. and i don't want it to happen again. neither do i want to be imprisoned for the rest of my life for a thoughtcrime. and i DEFINITELY don't want to be at the whim of a fucking asshole and several substances just to feel subhuman and hopeless.

[transmutationisms]

a danger of talking about diagnosis as though it legitimises xyz functional struggle is that it always carries the implication that people w/out a medical chart designation are not entitled to experience the same difficulties, or more specifically are not entitled to the accommodations for it. this has obviously shitty consequences for people who cannot afford encounters w/ the medical system, but also for those who simply don't fit or don't use specific professionally legitimated nosological taxonomies. this is why it's interpreted as a threat to recognise & accommodate disability w/out requiring a specific diagnostic term or process as a mediator. diagnosis can only grant access to certain resources for certain people by virtue of its antithetical power to gatekeep them from others; and ofc the access it does grant is always & therefore limited and precarious in nature

[hyperlexichypatia]

I didn't want to add on to this already too-long post, but y'all, please pay attention to how the Trump movement's opposition to universities, schools, and scientists is emboldening the very worst tendencies of leftists and liberals to pretend that academic elitism is a progressive stance.

It's been going on for years, of course, but it's kicked up in the last few months, and this is going to be exhausting. The way y'all pretend that "anti intellectualism" and "dumbing down" are somehow real problems that we should worry about. The way y'all talk about "literacy". You want so, so badly for "People without degrees are stupid" to be a progressive opinion.

Bad enough the fat liberation and psych abolition movements are already being tarred with "You're against science and expertise and evidence-based medicine? Like RFK??"

It's going to be absolutely exhausting spending the next however many years dealing with every #resistmom responding to "Maybe on the job training is as valuable as classroom learning" or "Maybe people who didn't finish college are still whole, fully-formed, fully-realized people" or "Maybe patients should have autonomy over what medical treatment they receive" and "Maybe neurodivergent people and religious minorities' subjective reality is valid" with "This anti-intellectualism got Trump elected!"

Y'all, it's 8 A.M. and this is why I drink.

And have y'all noticed how mask-off y'all have gotten with "non-degreed people are children"? I used to think this "You need a college degree to be a real adult" thing was a combination of upper-middle-class social bubbles assuming "college" to be a universal life stage of young adults, plus, of course, infantilization of young adults -- and it is, but also, no, you haven't "forgotten" that there are plenty of 50 year olds without degrees; you just think that those 50 year olds are also children.

Like. I get it. You're worried that your boss is going to replace you with a younger, less-credentialed paraprofessional they can pay less. But instead of solidarity with your fellow workers, you've constructed this ideology around being marginalized for being too smart. And you take it out on audiobook listeners and young parents and religious minorities and fat dyslexics. But you're exhausting me. I am a middle aged college student, which means I lived through the Bush administration. I remember all this. I remember the first great recession of the 21st century and how the real victims of it all were adjunct professors subjected to the indignity of student evaluations. I remember it all. Wake me up when you can critique fascism without resorting to ableist insults.

[i-suggest-psych-abolition]

I hate how people use suicidal people as pawns to try to justify forced psychiatric incarceration. It's not "helpful" it's not the "only solution". Average disgusting suicidist moment to see us as stupid dangerous animals who can't think Right and need to have our body autonomy violated "for our own good".

[eldritchbauble]

You should be immediately suspicious of anyone who tries to convince you to hate other trans people.

[transgymbro]

this pride month please remember that the violence and discrimination against transfems, transmascs, nonbinary, and intersex people are all of equal importance and weight, and equally worth acknowledging and addressing. none of them have it better or worse than the others, we are all living under a system that seeks to erase and destroy us.

[maisysplayhouse]

no psychiatrists at pride. treat them like the cops they are

[deaddogbrain]

i don't think "i hate some trans people because of their gender identity" is the woke feminist take you think it is, even if you're "punching up"

[genderkoolaid]

genuinely everyone needs to talk more about anti transmasculinity/transandrophobia in their daily life. however best works for whatever context you find yourself in. bring up the murders and violent assaults of trans men. bring up the transmasc suicide rate. bring up historical examples of trans men that don't fall into the "white passing heterosexual man who isn't outed until after his death" stereotype. bring up forced pregnancy as a detransition tactic. bring up transmascs in the US having some of the worst health outcomes of all trans groups. point out how transmasc erasure relies on inherently unrealistic and out of touch notions of how misogyny functions. point out how the ways we use to analyze trans experiences under patriarchy are based in cis frameworks. we need to make anti transmasculinity and transandrophobia a more public conversation. we need to openly and loudly contradict the popular narratives of how transmasculinity is seen and treated under patriarchy. we need to introduce people to transmasculine-centered feminism and transunitist theories of transphobia and provide a real grounded criticism of the erasure of anti-transmasculine violence.

anti-transmasculinity is not an accident, it's not something the patriarchy just stumbles into, the misogyny is not misdirected and it's not just a pre-transition phenomenon. and most importantly, the idea that the patriarchy just can't comprehend transmasculinity and doesn't know what to do with trans men is perhaps the most egregious and widespread example of how erasure works as a cover up for anti-transmasc patriarchal violence by suggesting that it literally does not and cannot happen, and if it does, it cannot be truly systemic or even really on purpose. when trans people and allies do this it is generally not purposeful, but when people continue to promote this narrative, they are genuinely participating in the patriarchy's cover up of the deaths and lost lives of thousands upon thousands of people. we have to challenge the cissexist consciousness people approach transmasculinity with. we all must speak up!!!!!!!!!!!!

[psych-abolition]

wow, you wanna kill all men because they're not oppressed enough for you? even the Black, POC, trans, intersex, Mad, & disabled ones? that's so #Cunty #MeanGirl of you. so subversive. you're so brave. what a good feminist!! in fact you could even say it's Radical. ;) ;) haha