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continuation of my post on how aditf is when dc began whitewashing themselves, presenting a very skewed version of jaybin’s history and also showing how bruce is an unreliable narrator.
batman #428 vs #425
so bruce’s faulty memory doesn’t stop where i left off. rather tumblr told me the mobile app only allows max 10 images and there’s just too much to cover. anyway, bruce says jason got worst after this. reminder that two-face was jason’s very first case. this was quite literally the start of his robin career that lasted approximately two years. if jason was as bad as bruce made him out to be, then why allow him to be robin for that long? why was there no earlier intervention?
because that’s not what happened, but rather, bruce first observed this behaviour post diplomat’s son, you know, the issue he accused jason of murder and led to the breakdown of their relationship? quite literally what sparked a chain reaction that led to aditf? and what did bruce initially let jason do. channel his aggression onto criminals… because that is what bruce himself deals with his emotions. eventually, bruce realises this is unhealthy but i do find it interesting that his conclusion that jason was acting out because of suppressed trauma of his parents’ deaths and not the very event before this. it makes it seem like a diplomat’s son has no impact on jason, and thus their relationship at all. personally, i think it’s because bruce was projecting his own trauma and drawing the wrong conclusions. i talked about the link between #424 and #425 here but i digress.
batman #428 vs #426
batman #426
ruce’s shoddy memory and whitewashing has us see him say he tracked jason down and joker so happened to be there - but again the reality: he was presented with two choices: go after the joker who was in lebanon or find jason.
you’d think the choice was obvious, and he agrees. the scene cuts to bruce in lebanon, and it is alfred who tells him jason is in israel. which is completely different from how he narrated the situation to be; bruce did not prioritise jason, once again fighting crime was at the forefront and jason was pushed aside
#batman 426
he made sure that jason was aware that bruce wasn’t there looking for him when he happened to bump into jason, makes sure to know that being batman was more important. calls it ‘unfair’ when jason shows his obvious hurt. this is another failure in the long string of failures of bruce as a parenting. it’s no wonder #428 decides to portray it another way because bruce looks bad.
because jason is just a kid. and he let that kid run off alone. and that’s where the true tragedy lies, that bruce made a choice to be batman first, a parent second. but he clearly cannot live with it, hence his internal narration of #428 does not reflect reality as it was, but reconstructed in a way to minimise the impact of his words and actions. before jason’s body got cold, bruce already began victim-blaming and rewriting history as he saw fit. if anything, #428 should have been the first hint to not take anything bruce and dc says about jason at face value. bruce’s fucked up coping mechanism and marred memory should be dismantled by the audience, but alas was taken as the objective truth thereafter.
not to once again make another post on aditf but it’s amazing how bruce’s internal narration was an unfaithful retelling about his and jason’s history together. the whitewashing began the very issue jason died. all panels from batman #428 under the cut unless referenced otherwise.
batman #408 vs #428
the first of the flashback scene of this issue and when you compare how bruce remembers and frames it vs how it happened originally - you’ll see that bruce had two very different reactions. originally, it was one of amusement— after all it was a moment of great incredulity. but suddenly, in his memory, he was positioned as an angry, looming figure over jason. when they were literally eye to eye.
batman #410 vs #428
yes, there’s a different artist but aparo truly drew jason much older than he actually was. jason was small but suddenly his legs are almost as long as bruce’s? but that aside - jason’s early appearances do not feature bruce mentioning anything about “a rebellious streak”; there were concerns about him arguably reckless. but it was never about him being rebellious.
batman #410
in fact, on jason’s very first night out, his “foolhardy” plan was praised. just inserting the definition of foolhardy here: brave in a silly way, taking unnecessary risks. … synonyms: rash, reckless.
so even if jason displayed “recklessness” as many characters famously claimed he did post-death and pre-resurrection, it was not a trait that bruce saw as negative. it was something bruce observed that jason shared with dick, that it was something to be complimented and rewarded with. it is not a trait unique to him, and it was not a trait that he should have been punished with death for. but i digress, back to the unfaithful retelling of jason’s story in aditf.
two things wrong here:
1) the order of things: their top priority already was “busting two-face’s gang”, they were already in the midst of things hence the above panel of #410. jason was only looking into two-face because of an ongoing case, thus him coming across information about his father having been killed. it was not because of jason that two-face became the villain of the week. the original sequence of things was confused to imply that jason had more influence over their investigations, but also to minimise the role bruce played here. because well.
2) identifying what exactly is his mistake. in #428, bruce says his ‘blunder’ was putting it on the batcave computer. rather, the issue is that bruce had known willis was dead for some time now, and not only kept it from jason, but withheld this knowledge from him even as jason was made to handle two-face face to face (pun not intended). jason also did not immediately confront bruce about it, but rather bruce confronted jason for threatening to kill dent in a fit of rage the next time they met.
bruce originally acknowledged that it was his fault for keeping willis’ death from jason, and that his “protection” inadvertently brought jason emotional distress because jason was not allowed to find out in a safe, open environment and process it properly. bruce acknowledged that jason’s earlier actions that night was him “losing it” and that it was a natural reaction - and if bruce had any concerns about jason wanting “more than justice”, then it was not made known to jason or the readers at this point in time.
in fact, if bruce had any concerns, this was the most pertinent time to address it with jason. instead the takeaway from this was that jason should keep a cool head, lest they both ‘lose’ to two-face.
batman #428
batman #410
and the unfaithful retellings continue! bruce frames this moment where his fears of jason being too vengeful as them cornering two-face into an alleyway, with jason walking away from authorities. instead, we look back to what originally happen in #410 and see that, actually! jason saves two-face, from a badly thought out plan of bruce’s (because contrary to popular belief, batman is not infallible and has the capacity to make bad calls).
continued in part 2
Before reading Death in The Family I'd been lead to believe that Bruce benched Jason as a direct result of the Garzonas case and that he had become "a danger to others".
But it actually had nothing to do with any of that, in fact the Garzonas case is never even mentioned in DITF. It is noted that Jason has been acting "moody, resentful, and reckless" but it's also stated that this behavior is recent and unusual. The real reason he's benched is that Bruce is concerned for Jason's safety.
Alfred and Bruce come to the conclusion that Jason's under addressed grief over his parents death is coming to a head and now he's started taking unnecessary risks.
Jason unfortunately does not see being taken off duty as a show of Bruce's care, but as a rejection of him (which is very similar to how Dick responded to being fired; Bruce accidentally repeating history)
Which is what leads to Jason subconsciously wandering back to his family's old apartment, getting the box with the birth certificate from his former neighbor, and everything else leading up to his death.
While Jason's grief over his parents is prominent, one thing the story doesn't fully address is how much everything else he's experienced as Robin has effected him.
Like his confrontation with Two-Face in Batman #411 is brought up, but that is directly tied to his grief over finding out the man murdered his father.
But Felipe Garzonas raping Gloria and driving her to suicide, the Dumpster Killer story line before that which involved serial raping/killing of women, the time he got shot by Mad Hatter and almost died, and more aren't addressed. (Hell they literally just broke up a child porn ring in this issue!)
And then there's everything he went through before Bruce even met him: growing up in poverty, father in-and-out of jail, having to become caretaker for his sick and dying mother, being homeless and stealing tires to survive, and whatever else may have befallen a child alone on the streets of Gotham.
The loss of his parents in undeniably significant, there's just a lot of other factors that the story and characters don't consider, and I'd like to see something in my future readings get into it, even if only in passing.
I don't believe that the Garzonas' case has nothing to do with it, but perhaps is something indirect - because why is Jason suddenly thinking about his biological parents now?
Batman (1940) #425: Consequences
This issue directly precedes the issue where Bruce and Alfred discuss the possible reasons for Jason's supposed recent acting out, and these are the last words we see Bruce speaking to Jason. The issue ends showcasing the tragedy and Jason walking away from Bruce. (I use the word supposed because we aren't actually shown it - Jason's behaviour in the previous chapters don't necessarily look anywhere out of place so Jason 'losing it' is assumed that it happened between #425 and #426: A Death in the Family Part 1. The only instance we get to see of Jason as Robin post-Garzonas is in the start of #426 and it's a case of 'a kiddie porn ring', which... Yeah. Anyways, we as the audience can only take their word for it. )
Back to the Garzonas, DC never let us forget who exactly Jose is - Felipe's father. The word father and son is constantly brought up in reference to the characters to deliberately emphasise their relationship. Hell, #424 itself is titled The Diplomat's Son.
#425 and #426 respectively.
Bruce, on the other hand, doesn't use such descriptors for Jason. And we need to remember. Jason met Bruce as Batman. This is how Jason got brought home - to be Robin. Their father-son relationship came about later (in pre-crisis we got the whole emotional adoption arc, in post-crisis, it's a footnote).
Batman (1940) #409: Just Another Kid on Crime Alley!
It is a very pointed parallel and builds up to why Jason would be reflecting on his place in the family and thinking back on his biological parents, and why he thinks being benched is a rejection of him since this seems like Jason's main role in Bruce's life. I think it's important that from Jason's POV, Bruce had long since began distrusting him. Bruce deliberately went to meet Jose alone and attempted to conceal this from him. We are privy to Bruce's thoughts so we are sympathetic to him. We know that he believes that benching Jason is out of concern for Jason's safety. But Jason is not omniscient, he can't read Bruce's mind. As you pointed out, Jason's only point of reference is Bruce firing Dick, him leaving and them subsequently not talking for over a year. That Jason only learns of Dick because Dick looks for the new Robin after finding out about it in a newspaper. It's very understandable to see how he might have spiraled since.
I suggest we, from now on, WILL use these words to describe Jason. No more angry reckless broken disobedience. No more angry annoying full of rage ugly stupic dumb brutal.
Angry WARM AND WONDERFUL
Reckless TOO BRAVE TO BECOME A MAN TOO GUTSY TO DIE LIKE THAT
Disobedience SUCH A GOOD BOY MUST HAVE REALLY LOVE HIS MOTHER
Annoying HELPFUL
Ugly PAINFULLY HANDSOME CHARMING AND MYSTERIOUS CUTE AND GRACEFUL AND PRETTY BOY
Leaps before he thinks SMART AND READY
Stupid dumb brute strength THE GREAT BATTLER A MASTER COMBATANT QUICK AND FAST AND AGILE AND GOT SKILLS
Ontologically evil kid HE’S A GOOD KID DEEP DOWN ALL HIS PROBLEMS AND HE STILL TURNED OUT SO GOOD
Batman’s greatest failure HE WAS THE BEST SOMEONE WHO WILLING TO DO WHAT BATMAN CAN’T WHEN THE WORLD NEEDS IT
Not Dick and an acrobatic and wasn’t ready to become Robin He has performed so well with the Batman that he has been invited to work alongside the Titans from time to time. An above-average athlete and acrobat. Robin is also adept at various forms of martial arts. His training is ongoing and his skills improve regularly. He can handle himself in hand-to-hand combat and has also developed keen deductive skills.
Batman: Under the Red Hood and Detective Comics #569
Uth but its just Jason bleeding out
The Jason story in Batman Annual #12 is honestly kinda sad.
(Keep in mind that he's 12-13 years old here)
He's so dedicated to being Robin that he doesn't do any kind of extracurricular activities, even though he'd really like being in a play. Instead he goes straight home and does homework in the Batcave on the weekdays and patrols on weekends/holidays.
It gets worse, he later describes the guys below as "the closest things to friends I've got". He never actually had a close knit group of friends his own age. On the superhero side the only other kid his age I've seen him with is Kid Devil/Eddie Bloomberg. Everyone else is either Dick's generation/Titans or the new gen that came about after Jason's death.
These kids take him to the main faculty office where they plan on altering their grades to passing scores and flunking at least one other student. Jason is opposed to this and wants to stop them, but is torn on how to go about it cause he still wants to hang out with them and doesn't want them to hate him.
He keeps asking himself "What would Bruce do?" cause one of the most important things is making him proud even if he's not there to see it.
(Side Note: Jason is so smart! 94.8 average!)
In the end he doesn't have to do anything himself. He realized the school will check current records against their backup discs and notice the sudden discrepancy in their scores. So he lets them unknowingly hang themselves out to dry.
This story is clearly a lesson in "cheaters never prosper" meant for young readers, but it's still kind of depressing to see Jason torn between doing what he thinks a Robin should do/making Batman proud and trying to have any kind of normal social life.
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It's sooo funny to me that this argument that Heroes create Villains has been like... actively discussed in-comics. Like yeah some writers especially in more recent years I think have genuinely taken that route uncritically, despite the fact that, as Bruce states pretty succinctly up above, a majority of heroes are in fact created in opposition to preexisting evil within the setting.
In fact, this is pretty common in most heroic stories: a great evil has spread across the land, and some hero rises to meet it. I think in some way people are trying to write the opposite for variety, or maybe because they just don't understand why that set up is so common, or why it has so much appeal.
Humanity loves its heroes. Your average person, especially one struggling under the yoke of evils that can't be beaten so easily as an overpowered lich taking over the land or some costumed creeps running an extortion racket, wants the catharsis that comes from the defeat of evil. Going beyond that, a lot of times they see all these evils in their lives that seem to or tend to go completely unopposed: the evil exists already, but it's the hero that they see lacking from the picture.
And, I think that fundamentally that's why "hero creates the villain" narratives fail for me and many others: It's in so much opposition from what we see in the world.
In fact, the only ones who I can see the opposite narrative being some thing that they themselves see as true, is when they themselves benefit from the position of the oppressor: When they are, in fact, the Baddies, but don't realize it because they're the heroes in their minds and their stories. So, to them, these heroes are the ones who, if countered organically, are the "real villain."
This is also shown in the tone-deafness they have in being such staunch fans at times of medias that are so in opposition with their behaviors and values like Star Wars or Star Trek or, well, most superhero comics in general.
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He kept repeating the saddest part... that after everything he'd seen lately, this serial killer felt like the only one fighting for people like him.
It’s truly a tragedy that so many writers just make Talia a female version of Ra’s.
There’s the obvious reason, right? I hate that she’s not allowed to be her own unique character but instead a carbon copy of another. I hate that everything that made Talia Talia is now obsolete when these writers come in. Those are the easy reasons to hate this characterization. And they’re valid, very very valid. But there are other reasons for this hatred I have.
In the 90s, she was able to escape his shadow. Slowly build a life for herself outside of his empire. She was probably learning things about herself that she couldn’t when she was nothing more than the demon’s daughter. Throughout this point, she didn’t want him to find her. Lex Luther used that against her for his satisfaction. She was moving on, didn’t have any want to go back to Ra’s. She loves her father deeply, but she was tired of the life he set for her. So, she left. She left and, for the first time in her life, did things that were meant for her and her alone.
Then Morrison came along. They wrote her so horrifically that other writers followed in their footsteps. Even outside of the comics, writers portray her to be the ultimate evil. Sometimes they try to make her worse than Ra’s; Batman: Bad Blood comes to mind for that.
This is not me saying I hate Ra’s. I love him, he’s my favorite Batman villain. What I hate is the continued demonization of Talia. We’ve slowly been getting more and more people writing her in the way O’Neil envisioned. And for that, I’m thankful. But it’s a tragedy that it’s taken this long to undo the damage that was caused via Morrison.
the fact that denny o’ neil had so much control over bat books for a long time as an editor i think really speaks to why bruce was slowly molded into someone isolated and near permanently obsessive-compulsive to his own detriment and to the detriment of his relationships with his kids, and how that’s shaped so much of who he is in even modern interpretations. denny was the one who never wanted bruce in a committed romance and according to mike w. barr was very angry at bruce being given a child and may even have indirectly been involved in why damian was subsequently kept out of continuity for several years thereafter (barr says he and some of his immediate higher ups were threatened with being fired if they ever wrote about the child again). he was also the one responsible for coming up with the idea to have fans phone in to kill robin, which starlin was more than happy to agree to because he had been gunning for robin to be killed off anyway. there’s a comics historian who commented that “o'neil's interpretation of batman as a vengeful obsessive-compulsive, which he modestly describes as a return to the roots, was actually an act of creative imagination that has influenced every subsequent version of the dark knight”. i do think a lot of the more immediate skew towards making bruce into a gaslighting and perpetually angry figure came from starlin when he started plotting jason’s demise or from miller when he introduced his “good soldier” rhetoric, but i think when looking at the bigger picture the fault definitely lies in denny’s hands as a whole. he and the writers he directly fostered were uninterested in the idea of bruce being someone who could work with and commit to people and they thrilled in making him into a lonely and perpetually closed off figure likely bc it fulfilled their dark power fantasy
So on January 26th yesterday, I looked into how the comics had Cass combat her disability in Dyslexia being not able to read and relate words vocally.
What worked, what didn’t, and which era handled the progression better.
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