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I wonder why so many fics about the Crime Family Batfamily have Jason Todd be the muscle/mad dog of the organization. When he is the only one who knows how to run a gang/Mafia. He has done it multiple times with his own gang and the Yakuza. Dick has more experience being a goon/muscle than Jason after his whole appointment/life blew up. It's just annoying seeing him demoted from being a confident leader to a muscle head
"nobody cares about tim drake" "omg they included tim" "me and the four other tim fans" well if youre such a minority then maybe i wouldnt have to FUCKING HEAR ABOUT YOU ALL THE TIME. YOUR WHITE BOY ISNT NICHE OR STRUGGLING. YOU HAVE SO MUCH CONTENT. READ IT.
Thinking about this post by @romanticizingmurder and…one of the things I really miss from pre-Flashpoint Jason Todd characterization, both in comics and in fandom, is his relentless ability to bullshit.
Even Morrison (into the bin, mate) kept that part of his character! (Pretty much the only thing that ties Morrison Jason to any previous post-UtH characterization.)
Pre-Flashpoint Jason would just…talk. He would just…say things. He would chirp and prod and mock and jeer and sometimes just start waxing poetic or start blasting his obvious issues OUT LOUD! For everyone to hear!
Which was kind of a breath of fresh air when it came to the bats? Especially at the time, when the bats would mostly convey emotion by gritting their teeth while their internal monologues went on (until finally someone started yelling—usually Dick or Babs).
Post-Flashpoint sort of shuffled him into the “sad, stoic dude” role, but Jason was very much not that guy! I mean, obviously he was sad, and he could be stoic, but in action he essentially weaponized his words and his emotions.
It was, IMO, it was a pretty essential element of his role as a narrative foil to Bruce.
AND I MISS IT!
Thinking about the fucked up lobotomy plot in Gotham War and what a missed opportunity that was for Jason. That could have been the trigger for a genuine, return-to-form, Villain Era Sequel for him. We could've had a Serial Killer Jason Renaissance. A Jason with Fucked Up Plots. It was the perfect chance to split him from the Batfamily (you don't need the others to actually be responsible for this for Jason to turn against them after something this destabilizing). And what did we get? Forgiveness.
if Jason Todd had a godly parent who would it be.
Zeus
Hera
Poseidon
Demeter
Ares
Athena
Apollo
Hephaestus
Aphrodite
Hermes
Hades
Other (Write in the comments)
I think he could fall into Hephaestus, Apollo or Hermes being his parent
Saying Jason's plan and actions in UTRH were just pit madness is very reductive. He worked hard on those plans, he put a lot of effort into them. Everyone acknowledge how hard he worked.
The day when people stop parentyfying Jason Todd will be the day I die happy
thinking about a world where jason survived but his relationship with bruce continued to deteriorate and they don't talk at all when he's an adult. curious about a story that fixes his death but doesn't assume that would fix the deep-seated problems in bruce's parenting.
like actually. bruce and dick had a severe falling out when dick grew up but are still in each other's lives because they were best friends, partners, and had complete respect and admiration for each other almost from day one. their relationship persists despite how shitty bruce sometimes is to him because of that rock-solid foundation.
that is NOT bruce & jason's relationship. the biggest problem i see in their relationship, which really rears its head in the issues preceding death in the family, is that bruce doesn't respect or trust jason. he did trust him at one point, but when they start to disagree and drift apart, he doesn't try to understand jason's pov at all, he just assumes and projects and continues to do that until jason is sure that bruce doesn't even want to help him, wouldn't care about the things that matter most to jason, and will leave him in the cold if it's better for the mission. that's not just a misunderstanding on jason's part, that's the message bruce has been sending him. bruce's behavior during death in the family only cement that. when he literally runs into jason on another continent, and for a second jason thinks that he was wrong, that bruce followed him because he cares and wants to help. but nope, bruce tells him it's a lucky coincidence that their separate objectives line up and they can stick together for this. meaning (from jason's pov) if it hadn't, he would've left jason to find his mom on his own or tried to make him go home and abandon the search entirely.
i don't know how you could fix this dynamic without bruce getting a lot more self-awareness and emotional maturity than he ever demonstrated even in his (stronger, more trusting) relationship with dick. not to mention he has alfred the enabler right there to reassure him that any problems he has are the result of jason's inherent criminal inclinations, so he never needs to do any introspection.
all this to say. if jason hadn't died the most likely result to me is that he moves out at 18 (at the latest) and they are more or less estranged. maybe he comes to christmas and thanksgiving and they try to talk about surface-level things but it's fraught.
I just realized that not only did Bruce tell Jason point blank that parents will naturally avenge their children right before he died, he also made it abundantly clear that The Greater Good matters more than personal matters.
Like no wonder Jason felt betrayed that Joker was still alive and running amok, but also no wonder Jason’s own approach was so consequentialist.
may we get fic recs please👀
hiiii sure thing! i don't remember if ive already recommended some of these so im sorry about that in advance! also this list will include batcest !!!
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https://archiveofourown.org/works/78852841
pure smut fic lolol but it's like the one and only fic i've read of superboy prime x jason i think
https://archiveofourown.org/works/83425741/chapters/219770861
cute kyle x jason multichapter fic about mute college student jason, kyle first getting his ring, and some mama talia
https://archiveofourown.org/works/85222771/chapters/225040811
insecure jason; ft asshole bats, model pretty boy jason, eating disorders, and loads of angst. it does feel like the bats get away with treating jason like shit and i wasn't a fan of that part but still a great read for jason whump!
https://archiveofourown.org/works/83158376
ADORABLE baby jay whose first word is dada and bruce + the justice league will kill for their sweetie pie!! i recommend this author's other little jay fics- they're so cuteee <3
https://archiveofourown.org/works/84644961/chapters/223339821
omegaverse dickjay with pack omega jason who everyone will do anything for to make sure he's satisfied but also his alpha dick has a dark side (do NOT mess with his omega, cough damian and tim cough)
https://archiveofourown.org/works/85305216
"Jason is saved from a sexual assault, but that doesn't make everything better. Robin sits with him and comforts him in the aftermath."
https://archiveofourown.org/works/79760486/chapters/209306416
"Five times Dick Grayson’s words left a mark, and the moment Jason Todd decided he had enough."
a multichapter fic set in jason's robin days; he wants to be close to dick and be brothers but dick doesn't really like him. lots of angst, i loved it sm <3
https://archiveofourown.org/works/85798876
"This is what fathers do, he thinks. They hit, then love."
dark/abusive sladejay with incest undertones, mind the tags! gut-wrenching read :(
https://archiveofourown.org/works/55191661
one of my fav dickjay smut fics! super hot <3
https://archiveofourown.org/works/80847206/chapters/212382951
"Bruce's blinding godforsaken fucking soft spot for Jason Todd irritates Dick to no end."
dick as a spectator to brujay except he doesn't know they're dating and thinks they have a strange father-son relationship. real messy but so so good
https://archiveofourown.org/works/73292941
HIV positive child jason todd, an angsty but sweet read featuring the supportive and caring adults jason has always deserved
https://archiveofourown.org/works/67977886/chapters/175808221
"After Bruce comforts and protects him following an assault, Jason realises what he’s missed out on. But he only knows one way to have it again."
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okieee that's all i have for now!! feel free to recommend any fics you guys have enjoyed as well <3
Jason is either full of love or full of hope and if I hear another person says "full of rage" another time I'd scream so loud I could wake a whole cemetery up.
What makes age posts hard is that you rarely have a panel available that's just right there and states their age. And the fandom at large really enjoys the information being in just one place and being an easily shareable page without need to get into context and explanations (see: the death certificate) of course many do still take the time to read age posts, but no matter what, it will quite frankly never infect the fandom on large scale like the misinfo/retcon it tries to correct. You have to try really hard to strike the right balance between something that explains all you want it to and being succinct
And then of course, there's the fun factor. Jason died at 15 at 4'6 is a set of facts many see as more fun than him dying at 12-13 while at 5'0 or 5'4 (<- note, also, the display of the above point, giving two different options instead of a firm hard answer is looked down upon, it doesn't display enough confidence or as enough of a firm statement of fact to encourage spreadability)
One is fun, because he was just so tiny. 4'6 at 15! Gracious! Dont you just want to bundle him up for being so small, while also aging him up. Its remarkable, its notable, it has something going on, its malnutrition, its making the age interesting due to the height tied to it. Because Jason being 12-13 at death isnt a fun chewable tidbit, its not notable, not something you can hang a plethora of headcanons onto, its reportably, just "sad", even "too sad". Or when a reader is less kind, too much of a stretch and infantializing. Its a bunch of messy, not crisp information, that lacks a proper hook. So you have to, in some way, bring up whats fun about it. But you can't go too hard on it because telling people how to feel can turn them off, and again, you'll get told youre infantializing if you try to stress the younger age too much. And of course, your post must also still be succinct....
And then you make a post detailing all the thought processes instead of working on the age post (ive made no progress)
Bruce: you… you used guns just to hurt me. You know about what happened to my parents and why I don’t use them, and you taunted me with it…!
Jason, who was taught how to use guns by Bruce: what.
Bruce: I love you Jason… but you only use my love against me.
Jason, whose exile from Gotham for the protection of its rogues hinges completely on Jason’s own regard for Bruce:
Jason, whose trust and love for his father was abused just so that Bruce would have a punching bag for his grief:
Jason, who only just recently died for Bruce:
Bruce: aren’t you going to say anything?
Jason: guns. kill people. I used guns because they are good at killing people. Please get your head out of your ass.
Jason Todd's and Peter Parker's birthday are 5 days apart. Do you think they share a birthday party.
🚨 WINICK SAID JASON WAS 16 AT THE BEGINNING OF LOST DAYS 🚨
Getting Lost with Judd Winick: Part 1
if jason was 16 when he was dunked in the pit, then, as per winicks own timeline established in lost days, jason would have died 3-3.5 years ago, meaning he was 12-13 when he died!!!!!!! therefore, 12-13 yo jason was canon until at least 2010!!!!!!
imo Jason is the type of person to "know this one guy" and therefore have contacts everywhere that matters
2005 utrh Jason you deserve a very " wait I know a guy" while dramatically opening his flip phone to call said guy
no cause he had a whole murder tour and has been around the world and there's no doubt in my fucking mind that he has CONNECTIONS
he’s taking after willis, i’m sure. his dad had the most peculiar phone book, considering who he was, and i’m still waiting for an explanation on how this guy knew LADY SHIVA. if willis knew so many people, then jason genuinely has to know at least one person for everything, and i mean EVERYTHING.
lex luthor has canonically called jason for a favor like his contact list looks insane. he could call in favors from every major superhero OR villain organization in the same breath. neutral jason playing both teams you will be loved
"But Tiz, Jason isn't wearing his helmet in the new com-" SSSHHHHhhhhh shut up I dont care he should wear it 🫵
the issue with me is that no matter the number of comics i read & no matter the reminders of the shadow of bruce wayne looming over their relationship i do so want dick & jason to hug forever & ever. like. its a problem
