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Bach’s Wachet auf, ruft uns die Stimme, BWV 645 song of all songs.
I'm a grown adult. Why do I have a crush. This is devastating.
Also think he might be the one this time.
for maximum wei wuxian damage points, replacement-gege has to be not only the guy wei wuxian was supposed to be had he stayed in yunmeng jiang, but better. waking up at 5 am to lead the archery lessons? he actually wakes at 4.30 to help with breakfast. helping sect leader jiang in securing new trade deals during yunmeng jiang's rebirth? he already has three drafts ready for approval at any given time. what about accompanying the juniors on a night hunt? he's locked in, from the moment they leave lotus pier until they get back, no one leaves his sight. jin ling? fucking loves him, replacement-gege was actually the one to take care of him when sect leader jiang couldn't stay away from sect business. final hit is when after jiang cheng reveals his golden core sacrifice, wei wuxian learns that not only replacement-gege already knew about it (apparently since he become second-in-comand years ago?? wtf, jiang cheng??), but he's been actively helping jiang cheng research ways to restore a golden core. wei wuxian's reaction almost decimated lotus pier a second time.
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so, there's no good way to really breach this topic. however, I am going to throw this stone and hope for the best.
Jiang Cheng rebuilt his sect with his own hands. Which means that he had to personally recruit cultivators and convince them that fighting for the Yunmeng Jiang Sect against the Qishan Wen Sect was worth it. This requires an incredible level of social skills and most importantly—skills to understand people so that he can get his message across. Simultaneously, all this requires him to have some form of friendship with his disciples, which means that Jiang Cheng has....friends besides Wei Wuxian! We read the story from WWX's POV so obviously JC's most prominent relationship in the text will be with him! And that's true, they grew up together and WWX's decisions caused heavy problems for the both of them! You cannot disregard their relationship! However, that does not mean that at the end of the novel Jiang Cheng is "friendless" with a threatening personality that scalds anyone who dares to come close. There's no punishment for Jiang Cheng at the end—only understanding of the choices of the other person, and finally a chance to move on from the questions that have been haunting him for years.
THANK YOU! This! Ok, so look. I was trained as an archaeologist.
That means I look at ruins. A lot of ancient ruins, in all sorts of places. One of the MOST common reasons a place becomes a ruin? War. In war, there is pillaging. It is part of the whole, "utter destruction of our enemy" thing. Now, many times, those places and communities do not survive or rebuild. But! Some of them do! And the ones that do have some things in common. They have a charismatic leader, who is smart, savvy about money, trade, and making connections, and who the people LIKE. Because if the people HATE you, you don't stay in power. Nobles revolt, peasants revolt, crops fail, etc. Point is, a bad leader dies. One way or another. Sometimes, even if they are a GOOD leader, they still die (see Cleopatra. By all accounts, she was a darn good leader. She was just up against Rome, and a Roman leader who HATED her. It was a bad situation.).
Now, let's translate this to a completely fictional story, which really isn't completely fleshed out. It's mostly told through hearsay, conjecture, and pretty terrible observation. So, what can we gather from this mess? Well, Lotus Pier is crushed by the Wen. Now, what that actually means sort of varies depending on what version of the story you are looking at, be it live action, donghua, or web novel. One has the whole sect burned down, needing to be completely rebuilt, buildings and disciples, books, treasury, all of it. One, from what I can tell, has the buildings standing with damage, but everything most probably looted, all the people and disciples killed, and the area probably defiled. And one, also from what I can tell, has everything pretty much ok, with just the need for new disciples. Y'all can please correct me if this is wrong!! So, from the get go, we can say the sect is financially broke. The Wen probably looted and took all the money, gold, precious things, and everything not nailed down and either melted it down, carried it off to Nightless City, sold it, or destroyed it. If JC got anything back, he would have had to probably steal it back or go through the halls and treasury of Nightless City and do some looting of his own during the Sunshot Campaign. Which is, quite honestly, what I would have done. Just grabbed as many disciples as I could and told them to take everything they could. Strip it bare. Doors, wood, precious stone, metal, books, weapons, herbs, medicine, fabric, food, horses, chickens, load it up, haul it back to Yunmeng. Look, do you REALLY think the Wen stopped at looting Lotus Pier? I don't. They looted all of Yunmeng. You conquer a land, you do so COMPLETELY.
JC had to be smart. In three months, he gathers enough people to train, to make a small fighting force. A small, TRAINED, fighting force. While ON THE RUN. Do you have any idea how hard that is? How much discipline that takes? Take that whole Mulan I'll Make a Man Out of You training montage and speed it up times like 3 or so. Now do it on the run. Yeah. That. His disciples are probably the desperate and the last ones standing. The ones left of whatever sects or villages the Wen rolled over. The ones who want nothing more than revenge. JC speaks their language. But, he has to KEEP speaking it. He has to keep offering them something to keep them interested, to keep them with him.
This is why he CAN'T protect WWX when he steals the Wen from the Jin camp. His whole sect is made up of people who were destroyed by the Wen. And it's just rebuilding. He has very little political capitol. Yes, his parents had lots of political capitol. They are VERY DEAD. The powerful sect they commanded? Destroyed. The monetary capitol they had? Gone. He is literally starting from less than NOTHING. He has a MEMORY. He is leveraging that up the wazoo. He is bluffing his ass off. And he has a sister to protect that is effectively held in another sect. Yes, she has the protection of the sect's matriarch. And the heir, for what that's worth (not much). But the sect leader is a crocodile. Not a snake. He is a PREDATOR. And JC KNOWS it. He knows that whole sect is DANGEROUS to his sister. That they can destroy his little sad sect. Moreover, they can incite OTHER sects to destroy his sect without ever getting their swords dirty.
Yunmeng is a trading hub. Look, it is on a confluence of rivers flowing into a lake system. That is probably the reason the Wen wanted it. It is the fastest, easiest way to get goods anywhere. Water is the lifeblood of civilization. Always has been. You control the waterways, you control trade, you control the money and the people. This is HOW JC builds his sect back up in 13 years. Trade. What, you thought it was LUCK? Nah, bro. Like I said, a good leader has to be SMART.
But here's the thing. We see MDZS through WWX's perspective. His, and everyone who supports his viewpoint. So what serves to prove his points. Which needs to cast someone in a bad light. JC becomes that foil. LWJ, who really has no clue what it takes to run a sect, to protect people politically, to deal with people who want to tear you down, who only sees things in black and white, and who has always had a prejudice against not only JC, but Yunmeng Jiang itself since the Cloud Recesses Study Arc, serves to support that. The entire Lan clan, in fact, serves to do that. They also serve to show the hypocrisy of the entire cultivation world. 4,000 rules, and they only follow them when it suits them? And punish only those who they really want to? Yeah. But that's a WHOLE nother rant. The point is, that all the nasty rumors? Some of them were probably very useful for JC.
What do I mean by that? Ok. So you have a very fragile sect. Lots of newbies. Not a lot of financial, political, or social capitol. If a stronger sect wants to squash you, all you really have to stop them is the memory of when your sect was powerful. And that is being RAPIDLY eroded by your 1st disciple running around acting INSANE. You are constantly having to apologize for him, because you have NO FUCKING CLUE what the HELL he is doing. Why? BECAUSE HE WON'T TALK TO YOU!! HE'S ALWAYS DRUNK! He's never there! Where is he? WHO THE FUCK KNOWS!? NOT YOU! You look incompetent! You go to your sister, the only person who your crazed 1st disciple brother will listen to. She says to just give him time. Won't ask him what's going on. Won't help. Won't come back to your sect, because she is working on getting married, and you are doing your best to support that (while your brother hates it). So, you are fucked. And the other three major sects are allied, and allied AGAINST you. Are you losing disciples? That is never actually said. What about rebuilding Lotus Pier? Rebuilding Yunmeng? Is there famine? How's trade? Are people moving back? Are crops getting into the ground? Honestly, how JC didn't drop dead of a heart attack, or stress ulcer I don't know. But somehow, he rustled up enough to get his sister married, and managed to somehow start to grow his sect. And then the whole world blew up in his face. And he lost the rest of his family, except for one little baby. And you have to wonder, how much did the Jin make him pay to stay in Jin Ling's life? And is this where the terrifying reputation begins? Because somehow Yunmeng Jiang gets the unfuckwithable reputation. If there is any sect leader you don't offend, it's Sandu Shengshou, and if there is any sect you don't offend, it's Yunmeng Jiang. That is one hell of a reputation.
So, to recap. JC is not a horrible sect leader. He's a smart, savvy, successful sect leader. I would hazard to say he's a much better sect leader than his father ever hoped to be. But no one wants to admit that. Because the story is from the point of view of WWX, and we all know how that goes. Not that I don't like WWX. But, the story is written from one point of view. Looking at other povs is interesting. And fun. 😀
so, there's no good way to really breach this topic. however, I am going to throw this stone and hope for the best.
Jiang Cheng rebuilt his sect with his own hands. Which means that he had to personally recruit cultivators and convince them that fighting for the Yunmeng Jiang Sect against the Qishan Wen Sect was worth it. This requires an incredible level of social skills and most importantly—skills to understand people so that he can get his message across. Simultaneously, all this requires him to have some form of friendship with his disciples, which means that Jiang Cheng has....friends besides Wei Wuxian! We read the story from WWX's POV so obviously JC's most prominent relationship in the text will be with him! And that's true, they grew up together and WWX's decisions caused heavy problems for the both of them! You cannot disregard their relationship! However, that does not mean that at the end of the novel Jiang Cheng is "friendless" with a threatening personality that scalds anyone who dares to come close. There's no punishment for Jiang Cheng at the end—only understanding of the choices of the other person, and finally a chance to move on from the questions that have been haunting him for years.
THANK YOU! This! Ok, so look. I was trained as an archaeologist.
That means I look at ruins. A lot of ancient ruins, in all sorts of places. One of the MOST common reasons a place becomes a ruin? War. In war, there is pillaging. It is part of the whole, "utter destruction of our enemy" thing. Now, many times, those places and communities do not survive or rebuild. But! Some of them do! And the ones that do have some things in common. They have a charismatic leader, who is smart, savvy about money, trade, and making connections, and who the people LIKE. Because if the people HATE you, you don't stay in power. Nobles revolt, peasants revolt, crops fail, etc. Point is, a bad leader dies. One way or another. Sometimes, even if they are a GOOD leader, they still die (see Cleopatra. By all accounts, she was a darn good leader. She was just up against Rome, and a Roman leader who HATED her. It was a bad situation.).
Now, let's translate this to a completely fictional story, which really isn't completely fleshed out. It's mostly told through hearsay, conjecture, and pretty terrible observation. So, what can we gather from this mess? Well, Lotus Pier is crushed by the Wen. Now, what that actually means sort of varies depending on what version of the story you are looking at, be it live action, donghua, or web novel. One has the whole sect burned down, needing to be completely rebuilt, buildings and disciples, books, treasury, all of it. One, from what I can tell, has the buildings standing with damage, but everything most probably looted, all the people and disciples killed, and the area probably defiled. And one, also from what I can tell, has everything pretty much ok, with just the need for new disciples. Y'all can please correct me if this is wrong!! So, from the get go, we can say the sect is financially broke. The Wen probably looted and took all the money, gold, precious things, and everything not nailed down and either melted it down, carried it off to Nightless City, sold it, or destroyed it. If JC got anything back, he would have had to probably steal it back or go through the halls and treasury of Nightless City and do some looting of his own during the Sunshot Campaign. Which is, quite honestly, what I would have done. Just grabbed as many disciples as I could and told them to take everything they could. Strip it bare. Doors, wood, precious stone, metal, books, weapons, herbs, medicine, fabric, food, horses, chickens, load it up, haul it back to Yunmeng. Look, do you REALLY think the Wen stopped at looting Lotus Pier? I don't. They looted all of Yunmeng. You conquer a land, you do so COMPLETELY.
JC had to be smart. In three months, he gathers enough people to train, to make a small fighting force. A small, TRAINED, fighting force. While ON THE RUN. Do you have any idea how hard that is? How much discipline that takes? Take that whole Mulan I'll Make a Man Out of You training montage and speed it up times like 3 or so. Now do it on the run. Yeah. That. His disciples are probably the desperate and the last ones standing. The ones left of whatever sects or villages the Wen rolled over. The ones who want nothing more than revenge. JC speaks their language. But, he has to KEEP speaking it. He has to keep offering them something to keep them interested, to keep them with him.
This is why he CAN'T protect WWX when he steals the Wen from the Jin camp. His whole sect is made up of people who were destroyed by the Wen. And it's just rebuilding. He has very little political capitol. Yes, his parents had lots of political capitol. They are VERY DEAD. The powerful sect they commanded? Destroyed. The monetary capitol they had? Gone. He is literally starting from less than NOTHING. He has a MEMORY. He is leveraging that up the wazoo. He is bluffing his ass off. And he has a sister to protect that is effectively held in another sect. Yes, she has the protection of the sect's matriarch. And the heir, for what that's worth (not much). But the sect leader is a crocodile. Not a snake. He is a PREDATOR. And JC KNOWS it. He knows that whole sect is DANGEROUS to his sister. That they can destroy his little sad sect. Moreover, they can incite OTHER sects to destroy his sect without ever getting their swords dirty.
Yunmeng is a trading hub. Look, it is on a confluence of rivers flowing into a lake system. That is probably the reason the Wen wanted it. It is the fastest, easiest way to get goods anywhere. Water is the lifeblood of civilization. Always has been. You control the waterways, you control trade, you control the money and the people. This is HOW JC builds his sect back up in 13 years. Trade. What, you thought it was LUCK? Nah, bro. Like I said, a good leader has to be SMART.
But here's the thing. We see MDZS through WWX's perspective. His, and everyone who supports his viewpoint. So what serves to prove his points. Which needs to cast someone in a bad light. JC becomes that foil. LWJ, who really has no clue what it takes to run a sect, to protect people politically, to deal with people who want to tear you down, who only sees things in black and white, and who has always had a prejudice against not only JC, but Yunmeng Jiang itself since the Cloud Recesses Study Arc, serves to support that. The entire Lan clan, in fact, serves to do that. They also serve to show the hypocrisy of the entire cultivation world. 4,000 rules, and they only follow them when it suits them? And punish only those who they really want to? Yeah. But that's a WHOLE nother rant. The point is, that all the nasty rumors? Some of them were probably very useful for JC.
What do I mean by that? Ok. So you have a very fragile sect. Lots of newbies. Not a lot of financial, political, or social capitol. If a stronger sect wants to squash you, all you really have to stop them is the memory of when your sect was powerful. And that is being RAPIDLY eroded by your 1st disciple running around acting INSANE. You are constantly having to apologize for him, because you have NO FUCKING CLUE what the HELL he is doing. Why? BECAUSE HE WON'T TALK TO YOU!! HE'S ALWAYS DRUNK! He's never there! Where is he? WHO THE FUCK KNOWS!? NOT YOU! You look incompetent! You go to your sister, the only person who your crazed 1st disciple brother will listen to. She says to just give him time. Won't ask him what's going on. Won't help. Won't come back to your sect, because she is working on getting married, and you are doing your best to support that (while your brother hates it). So, you are fucked. And the other three major sects are allied, and allied AGAINST you. Are you losing disciples? That is never actually said. What about rebuilding Lotus Pier? Rebuilding Yunmeng? Is there famine? How's trade? Are people moving back? Are crops getting into the ground? Honestly, how JC didn't drop dead of a heart attack, or stress ulcer I don't know. But somehow, he rustled up enough to get his sister married, and managed to somehow start to grow his sect. And then the whole world blew up in his face. And he lost the rest of his family, except for one little baby. And you have to wonder, how much did the Jin make him pay to stay in Jin Ling's life? And is this where the terrifying reputation begins? Because somehow Yunmeng Jiang gets the unfuckwithable reputation. If there is any sect leader you don't offend, it's Sandu Shengshou, and if there is any sect you don't offend, it's Yunmeng Jiang. That is one hell of a reputation.
So, to recap. JC is not a horrible sect leader. He's a smart, savvy, successful sect leader. I would hazard to say he's a much better sect leader than his father ever hoped to be. But no one wants to admit that. Because the story is from the point of view of WWX, and we all know how that goes. Not that I don't like WWX. But, the story is written from one point of view. Looking at other povs is interesting. And fun. 😀
Absolutely yes, this, this 100%.
I am fascinated with the sociopolitical implications of Yunmeng Jiang's return onto the world stage in 13 FUCKING YEARS! From total destruction (whether the buildings remained or not does not matter if they're empty) to standing shoulder to shoulder with a sect gilded in gold - and all that well within a single generation!
Like, unless the matters of cultivators happened in total insulation from the common folk, and a bloody war could be fought alongside a dude tilling his field (which...unlikely), JC found himself in a situation where not only his ancestral home, whole extended family, and main fighting force has been decimated... He was also facing either a complete rebuild of or, at the least, reintegration with the local economy.
And because I am also of opinion that the Wen decided to attack Yunmeng as a part of an intelligent expansion plan (you get not only the trade, you also get water, taxable population that dathers around said water, and fertile croplands possible thanks to said water), I am also convinced that they've looted the everloving shit out of the region, redirected all trade and harvests to their capital, and set up their own people in place of local ruling class.
JC, during and post-Sunshot was facing a situation completely out of scope for the other sect leaders. Sure, Gusu was burned - but that was just political posturing by WRH. Burning of the knowledge he found unpleasant, you can say. Gusu still had most of it's people and population standing. Qinghe wasn't conquered and Jin only gained during the war. Not only was Yunmeng as a refion was (I strongly suspect) economically thrashed, the Jiang Sect was pretty much culturally destroyed.
They were left with 3 people, out of which one was a woman (harsh, but a patriarchal society gonna patriarch), one was gone, and one was known as the unfavoured son. You'd have to be insane to throw your lot in with YMJ at the beginning of the campaign, and follow some kid into the battlefield against the force that just wiped the floor with two of the four strongest competitors in that race...
Either insane, or finding Jiang Wanyin really fucking convincing.
I am terribly disappointed to report that I have a crush.
If I had a nickel for every time I saw a sassy, gay, blond, Russian, skating boy wearing a big cat print shirt, I would have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
i really like how the Jiang disciples immediately assemble together to defend themselves. they’re the only clan that does this, while everyone else just starts fighting the first thing they see on their own.
also the fact that Jiang Cheng stands protectively in front of them, when one could expect the disciples to be the one surrounding their leader.
Reinforcing my belief that the New Yunmeng Jiang is one for all-all for one sort of a situation, and that's why they'te the one sect you don't want to fuck with 13/16 years later. There's never only one of them around, because JC learned from other people's mistakes and made sure his bunch of allsorts sticks together and keeps each other alive. Because there's nothing worse than being left the only one standing. Nothing worse than being alone, sorrounded by wolves.
And look, there isn't really that many of them there - certainly not many for a Great Sect. Each of them was probably recruited and trained by JC personally. Hell if he loses even one.
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I think lately I've come to understand Jiang Cheng a whole lot more than I ever expected to.
At the moment my brother is also in a very "destroying his own life and not asking for help or communicating anything" point in life. And it's more frustrating than most people expect. I think I haven't lashed out as much as I could, because we still have parents to keep us in check but I do think Jiang Cheng was very justified in demanding answers from Wei Wuxian.
You can judge him all you want but until you're in that position where the person you love is refusing your help and not communicating anything... then it's not so easy to say that you would do one thing or the other.
Furthermore, with the weight of responsibility on his shoulders and that wound or never being chosen first or known and loved deeply for who he is, that just makes everything even more raw and frustrating.
So. It's literally impossible for me to judge him because I'm at a point in life where I understand almost every single emotion he's gone through. I haven't lost everything, thank goodness, but I've been pretty damn close. I've seen some absolutely F'ED UP crap that few people can even imagine. So. Like. I get it! I get it.
It makes me want to lash out too.
Update: yeah this post still applies 🫠
It's the New Year so it's one out of two times during the year where I think about Wenzhou's tragic new year celebration.
You know, the one where they were all happy and dressed up and then Han Ying fell out of the fuckin sky and everything went to hell in a handbasket? Yeah. That one.
wangxiangu望仙谷, shangrao, jiangxi province, china
Literally so hungry for Chengxian post-canon where Jiang Cheng decides to take Wei Wuxian's "let bygones be bygones" completely and utterly seriously.
Jiang Cheng treating Wei Wuxian with complete formality every time they meet even though he is literally raging inside. He's convinced himself that obviously, this is better for both of them because Wei Wuxian clearly finds his emotions Gross.
Wei Wuxian, on the other hand, is completely taken aback by Jiang Cheng's formality and... he's not good. He has to do something about it.
Along the way, the truth is revealed about Jiang Cheng's sacrifice.
And Wei Wuxian has an earth-shattering revelation. About multiple things.
Something I always remind myself is that the view that Jiang Cheng ends the novels with nothing/all alone/without anyone's respect or care is absolutely false.
He ends the story with hard confirmation (even if it's definitely not true) that Wei Wuxian in particular does not ever want to be in his life again. But really, that's just given him closure for 13 years of searching. 13 years in which he really was the only one who thought he'd come back.
But also, 13 years of growing up, rebuilding his home, training new cultivators and dealing with merchants and other sect leaders and raising Jin Ling and supervising the new generations etc. etc.
We know he's well respected - even if not personally /friendly/ with the other sect leaders. The Jiang clan has always had absolute faith in him, even when he was a scrawny traumatised 17 year old. Jin Ling is more in need of his guidance than ever, and as Zizhen and (presumably) Sizhui or Jingyi move into training for taking over the Lans, all the juniors will get to see his prowess as a leader as well.
We also know he's cared-for. When Jin Ling grabs Jiang Cheng during the second siege as all the adults have their cultivation stunted, his disciples follow after him in concern. All those years spent running things couldn't have been done entirely alone, but it's never shown that JC relies on anyone for particular help (the way that JGY has subordinates or NHS and LXC have either family or sworn brothers.) If they are there, they do their jobs efficiently, if they aren't it's likely a collectivist action to ensure Jiang-zongzhu gets enough sleep and there are towels around if Jin Ling knocks him into the lake.
Not to mention, of all the great sects, Yunmeng is in the strongest position post-canon. Trade hub, the other richest one is without proper leadership, the Nies suffered purposeful bad leadership for a decade, and the Lans are back to having a leader in seclusion PLUS the issue of the Yiling Laozu living there now (which is not a happily ever after imo.)
Tldr; even if the narration glosses over it and WWX never notices, Jiang Cheng has built a life for himself. It's a good life - he's done well. And I'm proud of him.
special birthday audio from the japanese AD to celebrate jiang cheng’s birthday!! (cr)
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