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i think you're one of the only blogs i've come across that hasn't been a blatant thea hater, and i've seen one of your posts attribute a part of that reception to racism, and i would like to hear your thoughts about this and about thea in general because this isn't a commonly held position on her and i am always interested and fascinated by your takes & thought processes and would love to to hear more of what you think
Hi there,
So I’ve spoken a few times on racism in AFTG. Particularly about the Moriyamas & Nicky, but I’ll specifically touch on racism & Thea here. I have a few other questions on Thea as well that I need to answer about my thoughts on her character, Kevin/Thea and her friendship with Jean, so I won’t really touch on those in this question - I’ll specifically be addressing (a) the racism of Thea’s character within the text of AFTG and (b) the racism she experiences within the Fandom.
First, on the racism with the text of AFTG: as I’ve mentioned before, it is considered racist to ONLY point out a character’s race when they are not white. It very much perpetuates whiteness as the default and PoC as the “other.” Moreover, the way that Thea was introduced in TKM compared to how the canonically white female characters (Allison, Renee and yes Dan b/c Nora initially envisioned Dan as white) were introduced was… not great. Thea's descriptions of her "thick legs" "chiseled arms" and "unmoving tank" [think of how many conservative newspapers in America describe Michelle Obama - it's considered racist & dehumanizing. Black women are often denied femininity & womanhood].
Nora is obviously trying harder in TSC & TGR to make her writing less racist, racially inclusive & address racism - moreover she herself has also noted how the backlash to Thea is rooted in racism. [Also I know sometimes some of y’all do this to be funny: but deliberately fucking up the surname ‘Muldani’ and treating an ethnic surname like it’s Strange or Stupid just b/c you don’t like the character attached to the surname is, in fact, racist]. People with obviously ethnic surnames in Western countries do in fact get discriminated against on the basis of their name sounding "Stupid" to white people.
I’ll also say a lot of people in the AFTG Fandom get defensive about AFTG being called racist or when the AFTG Fandom is called out as racist - I’ve seen many, many posts saying that the way Nora wrote the Moriyamas wasn’t racist towards Japanese people (it most certainly was) & that the Fandom not liking Thea has “nothing” to do with racism or misogynoir, to which I say: sometimes the things you love are racist. Sometimes you are unintentionally perpetuating racism EVEN when you do not mean to be. Racism is often rooted in implicit bias & a lot of racism has been normalized.
Which brings me to: racism in the AFTG Fandom. We'll start with: asking, begging, harassing, and especially THREATENING Nora to remove Thea from future novels such as The Broken Cage, The Perfect, Court, or the Queen’s Game. The fact that Nora apologized on Twitter for Thea being in Jean’s first two novels.
The people who made these (occasionally threatening and violent demands) may VIEW themselves differently than the people who demanded Disney remove Finn from the Star Wars sequels, or the people who were pissed off when Rue from Hunger Games was a Black girl. Because in their mind it’s not that Thea is Black that is the problem: they just don’t like her character! They don’t like her with Kevin! Whatever the reason the end result in the same: you want the only CONFIRMED Black woman from AFTG written out of the novels. Some of you wanted her killed off. Condemned by the narrative & everyone around her. And b/c media does not exist in a vacuum: writing Thea off/killing Thea off would just be ANOTHER Black character removed from a franchise because that’s what the fans demanded. It doesn’t matter the reasoning, that is the end result. You can blame Nora for “writing Thea poorly” but the thing is: instead of trying to find a work-around, a way for Nora to retcon Thea, the first response was just to want Thea gone or dead. Demanding Black characters be removed from media because you “don’t like them” and you don’t want to deal with them or have them date your white boy fav is a TREND in media. Congratulations, your racism isn't even unique.
I think it’s also hypocritical that some people claim to be “anti-censorship” when it comes to complaining that people write posts about not shipping their favourite ship or when it comes to writing porn on AO3 but think it’s perfectly reasonable to… threaten an author to not include one of her own characters in her own novels because you personally do not like Thea. Or to beg for Thea not to be included.
Onto my second complaint about racism in regard to Thea.
Andrew strangled Kevin. Andrew sliced Kevin with a knife when Kevin shoved him into a locker. Andrew threatened Kevin with a knife to go on Neil’s vacation. Kevin/Andrew & Kevin/Andrew/Neil are still EXTREMELY popular pairings. There are still people hoping that Nora will change her mind about Kevin/Andrew/Neil and make them Canon in TQG. Nora had said multiple times that Andrew DOES NOT and WILL NOT feel any guilt or remorse about strangling Kevin. But apparently Kevin/Andrew/Neil is still fine to ship. “Nora can change her mind! She can write Andrew feeling remorse and apologizing to Kevin and they’ll talk it out and everything will be okay and then Kevin can date him!”
Okay.
Why can’t Thea be changed? Why does Andrew get to change and “grow” and “be better” (become the character you want him to be so you can comfortably ship him with Kevin and claim Andrew is “so much healthier for Kevin”) And Thea is doomed to always being terrible? EVEN THOUGH she has never canonically hit Kevin. There is absolutely NO canonical evidence that she ever hit Kevin or would hit Kevin. But there is so much meta/Fic about Thea being physically abusive. Why is that? I genuinely think some people need to reflect on what societal stereotypes about Black woman exist that make it so easy for them to imagine a Black woman being scary & physically abusive despite no evidence of this in Canon (and no her being 'mean' does not count as evidence of being physically abusive). Moreover, why is Andrew - a white boy - still so easily shipped with Kevin despite ACTUALLY being the one to physically harm him & despite the fact that Nora said he will never feel remorse for this?
Instead of asking Nora or hoping for Nora to fix Thea’s character, to make Thea good representation of a complex, nuanced Black female character, people just want her gone. “Kevin deserves to heal!” “Jean deserves to heal!” "Andrew deserves to heal.” All the white boys deserve to heal. Kevin & Jean get to unlearn the Raven mentality & recover from being brainwashed and being in a cult. Thea? Oh. it’s TOO late for her. She’s already BAD and she’s going to remain BAD (even though the books that would have the most Thea haven’t even been written yet). “Thea already had years outside of the Nest and she’s still as Raven as ever!!” or “Thea CHOSE to be a Raven! It’s not the same with Kevin & Jean.”
Like, y’all… Thea isn’t fucking real. She’s a character that can be adjusted as Nora writes her, especially b/c she’s BARELY been in the books. She can have her own tragic back story written in to explain why she signed with the Ravens & how she got brainwashed & what she’s trying to unlearn.
Why can’t we ask Nora to change Thea’s Raven mentality - as she’s changing Jean’s? (I would also argue that Kevin still has a bit of his Raven mentality, but Kevin’s rough edges get to be smoothed over while Thea’s are amplified). Why can’t we ask/hope for a narrative where Thea - the only Black woman in AFTG, who has experienced racism and sexism in her Exy career - gets to realize how toxic the Ravens were? To her and those around her. Why can’t she grow and heal & make amends in The Queen’s Game? Why is she permanently stuck as “bad” and “always a Raven.” Why is it too late for her in a series that goes on about first, second, third, fourth chances? Why does SETH get to become popular in Fanon with this idea that “if he lived he would of had a redemption arc” and somehow gets to be a popular Fanon character who is Bi & sorry for his previous homophobia & is sometimes even shipped with Kevin and Thea is irredeemable?
“Nora already wrote her and Kevin having sex in front of Riko!! It’s toxic.” That was in the EC, which Nora still has an opportunity to change in the books. It already seems as if she’s trying to change the age gap and made sure Kevin was 18 and in university by the time him and Thea were actually regularly speaking to one another & Kevin developed his crush & Thea reciprocated. Nora has already retconned some of the EC - why is it that some of you are so eager to dismiss EC that’s about how Kevin only occasionally visits Neil & Andrew and they only call/text once-in-awhile & Andrew/Neil never married or say I love you, but are willing to cling to Thea’s EC like it’s etched into stone. I think as long as Kevin & Thea have minimal to no contact prior to Kevin being 18 and in university - the age gap of 18/22 is fine. [Moreover, why are people so reluctant to talk about the power Kevin had in the Raven hierarchy? Yes, he was treated as inferior to Riko but he was also considered superior to literally EVERY OTHER Raven].
And speaking of age gaps… I’ve mentioned before that Thea was IMMEDIATELY hated on for “grooming Kevin” and “she started grooming Kevin at 14!!” and yes TRK did make it seem a bit dodgy when Neil thought about how “Kevin would have known Thea her entire Raven career” but Nora has since taken steps to fix that by emphasizing the fact that Kevin/Thea ONLY started really interacting when Kevin was 18 and a first year uni student & Thea was 22. I’ve also read a lot of Fic that writes Thea out b/c of her “inappropriate age gap with Kevin” while still including & loving… you guessed it! Roland.
Why does Roland get to be the funny white boy bartender who is still included in every Fic? He was 23 & Andrew was 17 and in high school (and never sober) when they hooked up. But very few people critique Roland. Or refuse to include him in their Fics. But Thea is IMMEDIATELY banished.
I’m not saying people have to write Fic about Thea. Or meta about Thea. Or like Thea. I do think people shouldn’t harass Nora NOT to include Thea b/c regardless of the reasons that you PERSONALLY have for not liking Thea, demanding she be removed from future novels/that Nora doesn’t DARE make her and Kevin endgame perpetuates a very racist and common occurrence within Fandoms.
I genuinely think some people need to reflect on why they are willing to have empathy for canonical white boy characters & allow them redemption & healing arcs. Why white boys are allowed to be violent on page but still be beloved by Fandom. Why white boys are allowed to be toxic and messy and have unhealthy relationships with each other and still be the darlings of Fandoms. And Black women are expected to disappear from the narrative or be killed off. Why Black women are not allowed healing arcs & to grow and change. Why Black women are stuck as permanently “bad” and “incapable of growth.” And why some people think it’s okay to demand an author remove her Black female character from any future novels.
Okay, I just read Kevin and Thea's section in the extra content and I'm still not down with them. As friends? Sure, but, there's just exy and attraction. Kevin deserves someone who will help him pull away from his obsession and show him how to be a person outside of exy, that his worth is not determined by how well he plays. Thea just made three Ravens kill themselves because they didn't live up to their standards.
For these and other reasons. I don't think Kevin should end up with an exy player. In the extra content Nora mentions how he doesn't talk about history with the monsters anymore. What if he joined a history club and met someone? Someone who doesn't see him as the Son of Exy, Queen of the Court, just Kevin, who likes history and classical music and wants to learn the piano.
But even if his LI is an exy player, he *definitely* should not end up with a raven. Let him out! Let him heal! Let him move on!!
It's always about who "Kevin deserves" but never about who "Thea deserves"
the face you see before she knocks the daylight out of you
Jean was forced into submission in the past, but with Jeremy, he gets to reclaim it. He gets to choose what submission means to him, define it on his own terms, and place his trust freely instead of it being a source of punishment for trying.
I Want You Here.
Week 2 - Jeremy.
I CANT BELIEVE I DIDN'T KNOW WHEN THE PROLOGUE GOT POSTED! But now I get to read chapter 1 too 🫶🏼
To Jeremy Knox
Have this while I'm working on something good hehe
The kind of eyes that inspire lyrics and poems
I want Jerejean having a thing for each other in lingerie.
I want Jeremy in a translucent brown babydoll and Jean in a deep blue bralette that can’t quite contain his tits. I want mirrors everywhere so they can watch each other while they fuck, lace and panties still on —Jeremy simply pulled his dick out of his and moved Jean's out of the way —unable to look away.
I want them obsessed with how beautiful the other looks — both flushed pink and glowing, loving every second of being admired.
Afterwards, Jean grumbles that the lace is damp and uncomfortable now, tugging at it with a scowl. Jeremy can't help but proudly smile
“I’ll rinse them out,” Jeremy offers as he heads off to grab a towel for him, voice bright with affection. Halfway to the bathroom, he does a little twirl, sends Jean a kiss and an exaggerated wink through a mirror, and Jean can only roll his eyes while feeling hopelessly fond of him.
"Leave yours on" he calls. "I want to ride you on them next."
Jeremy grins. He's no one to argue with that.
Cat and Laila buying this for Jean.
Since yesterday, I've been thinking about Service Top Jeremy. I'm assuming that, by now, my efforts to fill up the bottom Jean tag are very clear, so it might appear that I'm leaving poor Jeremy in the background, but I promise that is not the case. People have more of a negative reaction to Jean bottoming than they usually have for Jeremy topping—though, of course, there are those who do dislike that as well—so it has seemed more natural for me to want to put more into the bottom Jean space to try and make it more welcoming and friendlier. YET! (service) Top Jeremy deserves as much love and attention, so this one is for him.
Oh, my lovely, lovely Jeremy. Such a complex character, continuously toeing the line between genuine kindness and people-pleasing. For Jeremy's sex life, this dichotomy can lead us to one of two understandings: either Jeremy is not a 'service' anything and he is using sex as another method of people-pleasing, or he is actually a service top who does find the tangible pleasure of his partner a multiplier of his own pleasure, but he has twisted it into a toxic, people-pleasing shape it is not meant to be. I, of course, am of the belief it is the latest. But instead of making this some sort of debate in support of Jeremy as a service top, I'm taking the fact that he is one for granted and going deeper into the evolution of how that works in his relationship with Jean, because there is no way it stays the same. Jeremy is not walking into this as the seasoned expert. He is walking into this just as lost, just in different ways, with different wounds. And THAT is what I really want to get into (and regarding this topic of 'Jeremy's genuine kindness vs. people-pleasing,' I do want to eventually write a separate post that is not limited to sexual dynamics).
While it is a given that Jean will struggle at the beginning of their sexual relationship for reasons that have been discussed and will continue to be discussed —and have to be, don't get me wrong—I think Jeremy will struggle too, in a different way. Jeremy has a lot of sexual experience, but most of it—except for maybe his short relationship with Leo—has been non-reciprocal and transactional. There is pleasure involved: the physical sensations are real, and the satisfaction of being good at it is real. He's enjoying parts of these encounters... Yet, sex with these men is on the people-pleasing side of the spectrum. It is "I will make it good for you because that's what I do and need you to be happy with me." None of these men care about Jeremy, and not in a "Jeremy gets to finish" way but as someone who is invested in Jeremy feeling good from beginning to end, who tracks it, and who wants it. And Jeremy has been fine with that. The wanting to give is real — that part has never been a performance — but instead of it being healthy, he has learned to wrap it around his wounds and lock away everything else.
These encounters are also very routine. Jeremy knows the ways to give pleasure, and he's good at them. He knows which buttons to touch; he can probably do it with his eyes closed, to be honest. Come, get them off; get off; leave. Easy, normal, predictive (and regret-filled).
And then, Jean comes in like a wrecking ball (Miley-Cyrus.gif).
Jeremy is often portrayed like Jean's teacher of all things sex. I don't think this is necessarily a lie, but in the beginning Jeremy would probably default to the patterns—attentive, accommodating, focused on Jean—but Jean is not "just another guy"; he's Jean, and Jeremy's old formula doesn't quite work the same. Just being allowed this, with Jean, is a privilege Jeremy doesn't take for granted. And between navigating their trauma, discussions of consent, Jean's lack of experience, and this being so new for both of them, it is a learning curve.
The first time Jean asks Jeremy what he wants, it hits Jeremy like a foreign concept. He genuinely can’t remember the last time anyone asked him that. So he responds, "To make you feel good, of course," and he probably even smiles when he says it, because that's what Jeremy does. But then Jean follows it with a quiet, devastating, and what else? And everything stops. Jeremy goes quiet. He’s never been given the space to form an answer. The slow realization that he has spent so long perfecting how to give that he forgot to ask himself why. And that those are not the same question at all. The thing is, he does love it. The giving. That part has never been a lie; there is something that lights up in him when he knows he's getting it right, when he can feel his partner unraveling because of him. But somewhere along the way he decided that was enough. That wanting anything beyond that — to be seen, to be asked, to matter to someone from beginning to end — was asking for too much. So he kept the part he felt he'd earned and quietly let go of the rest. They don't have sex that day.
Or imagine something happens: a trigger, something that they try that Jean doesn't quite enjoy, Jeremy saying the wrong thing... Whatever it was, Jean doesn't come. Jeremy's reflex would spike, the anxiety would show, and it would be something else for them to work on. No, Jean didn't get an orgasm, but also, no, it is not Jeremy's fault, and it is fine. Except Jeremy has to actually believe that. Not smile and say of course while the partner-pleasure meter in his head keeps running and he feels like he's going into debt. But to actually sit with the fact that his value in this room is not contingent on the outcome. That is its own mountain to climb. And he does, in time.
Because as Jean learns more about himself and his body and Jeremy gets used to having someone who sees and cares about him as a person whose experience matters, who gets full attention and care, I see them moving into something like a Jean power bottom era. Jean now knows what he likes and how he likes it, and he's open to asking for it. So he does. And Jeremy follows. And this is such a great experience because it doesn't only mean that Jean is empowered but also that Jeremy gets instructions on how to maximize his partner's pleasure. He can let go of control because that's Jeremy being freed from labor he was never supposed to be carrying alone, by himself. He still gives, but now that giving is also a consideration of his own needs. This is another type of vulnerability, while, at the same time, getting that bone-deep satisfaction of being good to his partner. Healthy, genuine giving.
Then, Jeremy might want to take the lead again. Now he knows Jean almost as much as Jean knows himself—he knows the specific rhythm Jean responds to, the particular way his breathing changes, what makes him tense up, and what makes him let go completely. They have been making a map of Jean together all this time, and now he wants to use it. But it's not just Jean's map anymore. Jeremy has been working on one of his own—learning the pathways of what he actually wants and what actually feels like his—and now he can see where the two meet, where they overlap, where they light each other up. He knows Jean. He finally knows himself. Now he feels confident that he can take some control and figure out new ways, inside their boundaries, to truly make Jean melt. "I love you, I know you, I know what you like, and I want to give it to you because I know it will make you feel as good as it will make me feel." And Jean, who has spent so long learning to trust his own body, now gets to discover what it feels like to trust Jeremy with it completely, to actually let go, because it's Jeremy, because he's safe.
Then, finally, sweet, sweet balance. Sometimes Jean leads, sometimes Jeremy does. And Jeremy gives because he wants to, because Jean is right there wanting it back, and because this is what it was always supposed to feel like. All the parts Jeremy had quietly decided he wasn't allowed to want. Turns out he was wrong about that. Turns out Jean had very strong opinions about it, too: about Jeremy being seen, about Jeremy getting to have things, about Jeremy mattering from beginning to end. Neither of them came into this knowing how to do it right. Jean had to learn his own body, his own voice, his own right to want things. Jeremy had to learn that giving was allowed to feel like something real instead of something owed. They might have taken a while, but they found their own way together. And that is the beauty of it all.
tummy kisses
Dear fellow Bottom Jean/Omega Jean people,
the whole explicit SMUT writing has not been going great for me I'm afraid would you mind very much if I keep it open door/implied/talked in general and not moment-by-moment descriptions instead of posting nothing? I want more in the tag, I will fill them because I can't stand how empty they are at the moment, but if I wait for the spirit of a SMUT writing asexual to poses me they will stay like this for who knows how long 😭
Baby Boy
Jeremy and Jean are private when it comes to their sex life, except for a cheeky joke here and there among their close friends. But the topic does tend to come up when they're out and about with strangers and acquaintances, particularly in queer spaces where people are more open to explicit conversations.
In such situations, Jean more often than not gets designated as the "top" in his and Jeremy's relationship. People take a look at him — tall, large, broody — and it becomes a matter of fact to throw the label around. The opposite happens to Jeremy, whose smaller body and sunshine demeanor earns him the "bottom" role in people's minds.
Neither of them corrects the assumptions. In Jean's eyes, it's Jeremy's and his life, and no one is entitled to what goes on inside the privacy of their bedroom. Jeremy doesn't care about it — as biased and sometimes insensitive as it might be, it has been mostly harmless. (Of course, homophobic people do try to use it against them, but that is an entirely different situation than a gay man asking Jeremy about how he found a boyfriend who is a top.) In other words, "let them think what they want" is the mentality they've kept since the first time it happened.
No one but them needs to know how Jean unravels under Jeremy's hands, how much he yearns to be filled by him. Nor how Jeremy never quite knew pleasure like the one he feels when he satisfies Jean — how an orgasm by his hand, or with Jean over him, is amazing of course, but the high he gets when it's intertwined with giving Jean exactly what he wants? Unraveling his lover in the exact way he asks? It's like every sensation multiplied over.
And, of course, they weren't there to see how they fought to get to this point — the demons of their past haunting every step they took, still showing their ugly teeth sometimes, even now. But they learned to fight them.
So yeah, let them all believe the big, grumpy guy is the top and the California boy with the thousand-sun smile is the bottom, if that helps them sleep at night. Meanwhile, Jeremy is folding Jean in half and making him blush so hard he has to hide his face in the pillow, as Jeremy looks at him like he's his whole universe.
I have a big weakness for fox/ferret Hualian🥹