syscursed

pro endo. spiritual system.

[syscursed]

Hi, we're syscursed. We're an adult system and we'll be using they/them here.

This blog serves the purpose of being both open about our origins and allowing us to dabble in syscourse should we have anything to say in the matter.

We are a system with mixed spiritual origins, some of which is soulbonding. We've been in plural spaces for around 4 years, though we've been a system for a considerably longer amount of time.

We support tulpamancy and willogenic systems.

We won't be using any sign offs, but may swap between i/we

This blog is a sideblog, our main is in the tags, but you'll have to figure out the scrambled letters :p

ED focused accounts, please don't interact, even those focused on recovery.

Dividers

[cambriancrew]

What do endogenics really want?

We DO NOT want

❌To demedicalize DID/OSDD. Both need to stay in the DSM and ICD and be taken seriously and treated properly.

But we DO want:

✅Plurality to remain demedicalized and be properly seen and supported as such. Plurality as in, the state of having more than one mind in your head. It’s not inherently pathological and shouldn’t be seen as such by anyone. 

We DO NOT want:

❌ To be in DID/OSDD-only spaces

But we DO want:

✅ To be allowed spaces of our own without being harassed just for existing

✅ To be allowed shared spaces, separate from DID-only ones, with those who *want* to be in a shared space, without being harassed just for sharing space

We DO NOT want:

❌ To use terms that don’t belong to us

But we DO want:

✅ To be able to continue to use the term “system” the way we have for literally decades because it is not and never has been an exclusively DID term. It has always been for all people who experience having others in their head, and was originally used as a substitute for “person with MPD/DID” because not everyone in the community back then had, needed, wanted, or fit the criteria for a diagnosis - but all were plural systems regardless.

We DO want:

✅ To be treated with decency and respect

And we DO NOT want:

❌ To be accused of faking just for experiencing plurality differently, or harassed in other ways

We DO NOT want:

❌ People thinking that every system works the same or that advice that works for one will work or be good for all

But we DO want: 

✅  To be able to share spaces where that advice and help can be freely shared among different kinds of systems because while it might not be good for everyone, it’s always good for some, regardless of system origin or diagnostic status

We DO NOT want:

❌ People assuming that endogenic = never had any trauma. 

And we DO NOT want: 

❌ People thinking that just because we have trauma, we must be traumagenic. That’s for us to determine for ourselves.

And we DO want:

✅  The right to self-determine what’s right and true and what works for us, without being harassed for doing things some people assume are mistakes/going to hurt in the long run/whatever. Freedom and independence are nothing if it doesn’t also include the freedom to choose, and the freedom to make mistakes. And remember, since systems work differently, what may be harmful for you may be very beneficial for others, and vice versa.

[positivitygenic]

while not discussed as much, soulbonding and gateway systems are two very genuine forms that plurality may take for some beings. some forms of plurality are just psychological in nature, but the forms of plurality that are moreso metaphysical have a right to just as much kindness and respect as every form of plurality does. they are undeniably authentically plural.

[pawcase]

I hate when people add a dni tag or say “scroll if you disagree” on a post targeting and insulting an entire community, making the people who are just trying to defend themselves and actually tell their side of the story seem like the ones in the wrong.

a DNI is a boundary and an agreement that if people don’t bother you, you won’t bother them. It is not a way to talk about members of a community behind their backs and deny them their right to stand up for themselves.

[syscourse-i-guess]

Syscourse Survey!

Hi everyone, i made this survey in an attempt to take a closer look at the most common syscourse beliefs across different stances. I'd appreciate if you could take this survey and share as well!

Syscourse Survey

Hello! This is my syscourse survey. I am holding this survey in an attempt to compare commonly held beliefs across different syscourse stanc

anyone of any stance can take it, and you don't have to be a system to take it. Even if you don't participate in syscourse and don't use a stance label, i want to hear from you!

[tailshas2tails]

Look.

I saw a comment on plurality in terms of spirituality and it’s cute. It’s super cute. I love that you guys have a religion, great. So anyway, I don’t have to believe your religion. I definitely don’t have to believe they’re systems. Plural systems aren’t a thing. I will respect your right to believe spirits exist around you and with you. But you are not a system as a result of this.

I don’t know why people act like you must be against spirituality if you think spiritual “plurality” doesn’t count as a system. If that’s what you personally believe and system not culturally appropriating a culture you’re not part of… go for it. Have fun. We all have a collective religion and spiritual preference too. I’m not judging.

But you’re not a system. Your spiritual interpretation is that you have spirits or beings you communicate with in your head and that’s awesome. You’re not a system, though.

Edit: May I suggest better expression like, I dunno, I believe I communicate with spirits, or I have entities I talk to in my head? Or literally any word that accompanies that I guess. But system isn’t it. That’s a medical term for an array of alters, not your religious preference.

[cambriancrew]

Except "system" really isn't that. It's a general purpose word for a collection of interconnected things. Everything from nervous system to solar system to operating system to, yes, even plural system.

Also there's a difference between "I talk to spirits in my head" and "I share my body and brain with several people" - the second is a plural system. And not all people with CDDs are systems, or plural.

Most of my headmates identify as being souls from another universe. Two identify as gods. I disagree but, that's what they see themselves as. If we just talked to each other, I wouldn't identify us as a system. It's the fact that we literally share a life that makes us a system. My headmates front for several hours a day without me being in front, and we share front for significant periods most days too. That's not a matter of religion, but of identity. Who "I" am, the person in charge of the body and brain, is not always the same actual person. And we're very different. Different genders, sexualities, personality traits, ways of thinking and behaving, and as already mentioned, beliefs.

It doesn't matter that I don't believe they're spirits from other worlds. It wouldn't even matter if I didn't believe I'm part of a plural system - I didn't see it that way for 25+ years.

Despite that, my experience is the same: that of being part of a collection of people in the same brain who work together.

It's definitely not the exact same as being a CDD system but that's the reason there's that initial qualifier. Just like how a solar system and an operating system aren't the exact same. A traumagenic CDD system and an endogenic plural system aren't exactly the same but they're still, like solar, nervous, operating, Internal Family systems etc, a group of interconnected things.

They're similar in other ways, too though, as both CDD and nonCDD plural systems are both collections of selves in one body and brain, and each self — whether person, part, entity, or alter — take recurring control of the body they share, with accompanying changes in personality, ways of thinking and behaving, and beliefs.

You don't have to believe the religion is true. But you must acknowledge that what CDD systems experience is in many ways similar to what nonCDD systems experience. True, not exactly the same, but again — that's why there's the qualifiers.

[syscursed]

Hi spiritual system here :) cambrian has said quite a lot of good stuff. And we're willing to add on even more than this here

The beings that I am part of a system with aren't just beings "I talk to in my head" they take control of and share the body, we are equally a part of what goes on this life.

Our origins might be spiritual (soulbonding and another practice) but the results are multiple beings who share a body, can control it and are distinctly different people.

You don't have to believe the origin, like sure whatever, but our experience regardless is that of a non-traumagenic system even without our soulbonding. Spiritual systems have been here for a very long time.

[syscursed]

Not surprised a group built on hating people and talking about hating people is turning on eachother...

Toxic behaviour found in toxic ideals. Shocker.

[syscursed]

Not surprised a group built on hating people and talking about hating people is turning on eachother...

Toxic behaviour found in toxic ideals. Shocker.

[syscursed]

If youre gonna be a dick, you get the flick🖕🏻

Hehehe

[this-is-metapluralmisia]

Metaphysical Plurality

[PT: Metaphysical Plurality /end PT]

This is a flag for metaphysical, spiritual, and non-psychological based plurals, systems, collectives, etc.

This flag is meant to represent all plurals who do not consider themselves psychological or medical based, and cannot explain their plurality through a psychological lens.

This flag is inclusive of those who are mixed origins, have both metaphysical/spiritual/etc. experiences and psychological/medical/etc. experiences, and similar.

An image ID for the flags above is highly appreciated. I can not put visuals into words myself, but I will gladly add an image ID if someone will provide it. I will tag @accessibilitea and @idescription for this. Thank you in advance!

[heartbeat-sys]

no matter how much you hate something you cannot take it out on introjects of that thing 👍

[heartbeat-sys]

like yeah even if its really bad. you literally have no idea what a particular introject or particular systems relationship to and feelings towards the thing in question just based on there being an introject from it

[syscursed]

🤔

[syscursed]

@syscurs3d will contain more syscourse than here, it is also made specifically for the syscourse thunderdome.

We did want this blog to focus more so on our origins than syscourse... hmm.

[metagenic-culture-is]

Explicitly include metagenic & non-psychological plurals in your plurality posts. I don't just mean a throwaway mention; I mean actively making sure you're not excluding us.

Stop talking over us.

Stop coming into our spaces and centering your experiences and feelings.

Stop grouping us with psychological endogenic plurals, endogenic disordered plurals, and other forms of psychological plurality.

Stop telling us about how a person you spoke to said all spiritual plurals are delusional.

Stop coming to us self-flagellating about how bad seeing hate against us makes you feel.

Recognize that there is more to plurality than "systems", "headspace", "pseudomemories", "introjects", etc.

Stop treating our experiences, lives, memories, etc. as less real or just roleplaying.

Stop implying we didn't/don't "actually" experience our lives. Stop implying we're not "actually" who or what we say we are.

Use the language we tell you represents us, not what you think represents us. Listen to us when we tell you that you're being exclusionary. If your posts are for all plurals, they should be for all plurals.

[tussai]

I genuinely do not understand how "people with CDDs should have access to CDD spaces regardless of their stance on endogenic systems" became a hot take.

Some of y'all have spent so much time arguing online that you've lost sight of what the real problems are. Endos and whether they are real or not is not the problem. They don't even come close to being the problem.

People with CDDs commonly experience profound interpersonal difficulties, significant functional impairment, and high rates of self-harm and suicidality. That is a real problem that needs addressing. Many people with CDDs spend 5-12 years in the mental health system before receiving an accurate diagnosis, often receiving multiple misdiagnoses along the way. That's another real problem. Trauma survivors with dissociative disorders are at increased risk of experiencing further victimization. That's a huge fucking problem that I've personally experienced countless times that the anti vs pro debate never helped me with. Let's not overlook how substance use disorders are a common comorbidity. Also something I personally struggled with.

Want a source for all of this? Here you go.

Don't wanna click the link? Here's screenshots with ALT text:

You don't have to agree with someone's opinions to recognize that they deserve support. Excluding someone with a CDD from community or resources because they disagree with you about a controversial and ultimately unwinnable discourse topic doesn't make the community healthier. All you're doing is leaving one more traumatized person without a place to turn.

If we care about people with CDDs, these real issues should come before winning discourse. Love people with CDDs more than you hate endos.

[kit-loves-endos]

Traumagenic systems who are endogenic allies are the best! :D

[emo-orerats]

Endos and pro endos were never a hate group btw that's just blatant misinformation

A hate group existing doesn't mean everyone who experiences that was part of said hate group. We all hate the hate groups. None of us want to demedicalize anything medical. And no one, I mean NO ONE in pro endo communities hates traumagenic systems or those with CDDs. You know how I know? I HAVE A DAMN CDD AND NO ONE HAS EVER- I MEAN EVER HATED ME FOR IT

Except obviously, the anti endos who hate the fact I don't agree with their blind punching down

Whos really the hate group?