#bjdproartist

[real-bjd-recast-community]

So glad I found this blog. I used to be anti recast because as an artist, it looked like I should be. I've always been confused on how buying secondhand benefits an artist or large company but I realized it really doesn't. Especially if a sculpt is rare and discontinued forever, the current owner always sells it for a criminal price so it benefits the current owner and not the artist. I've seen super rare Volks heads go for 1,275 USD and up and that price is just for the head. Ridiculous!

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“People actually buy it too! Even though the head is super rare, it's 10 years old and super butter yellowed. That's a horrible deal, but if the people who bought it think it's the only way to get that head, then you’re twisting their hand. It's their money and they can use it however they want but I think it's ridiculous how much the price for 2nd hand heads can go when you can just get a recast of that same head for a fraction of the price in the 2nd hand market. So I agree with what you and

everyone on here has been saying that especially the inflation in price of rare and or discontinued sculpts doesn't benefit the original artist if they decide to discontinue the sculpt anyways. It doesn't put the extra cash in their pocket, all that extra cash goes into the pocket of whoever is selling it. I've been in this hobby for more than a decade. It never crossed my mind how some people on here would use the hobby as an investment rather than just enjoying the hobby for what it is.

It makes me sad and I am still in disbelief. Is it true though? That some people in this hobby equate being able to spend a ton of money on dolls to be the only "true" way to enjoy the hobby?”

~ Anonymous.

I’ve being in this hobby since it started, so just imagine the things I’ve seeing to this date... and yes, unfortunately people is only happy spending money (thus, the “revolving door” fashion, people that used to sold on DOA MP a Soom MD when they hadn’t even receive it yet just because the next hot Soom MD item was already on sale and no one remembered the one from last month), the more expensive the doll, the more important they feel. It’s like high school, you have to get the best most expensive *everything* and be trendy every new release or you don’t get to be popular.

And for some reason most of the proartist and elitist just DIE for popularity in the hobby. For me it must be more related to an OCD symptom, just like hoarders, they fill the gaps of emotion and anxiety with the rarest most expensive doll that will reassure them they’re unique snowflakes.

This people chose bjds, but they could have chosen anything else, like the people in the 90′s buying comic books thinking that 20 years later they will pay the mortgage or the collage of their kids with this comics (considering that they will increase in value like the older comic books from the 50′s, 60′s or 70′s) and found out that ultimately, the market had changed and their comics worth even less that what they paid for them.

I think there is also a big grade of delusion here, to think your money will multiply (not in a bank or in a real investment project) as you play or use something you like, there isn’t a perfect hobby or a perfect job, there isn’t a thing in life where you “win-win” all the time, and this people just refuse to get it, they cover their ears and run away singing loud...

But that would be completely fine if they kept it for themselves and don’t go around insulting people or cyber bullying others, or harassing a guy with a doll on a meet “just because it’s a public cafe and they don’t like the doll that guy or gal has”.

Demented attitudes have become increasingly popular and common around doll collectors these days. We just try to bring some ground to the entire thing.

Admin C

[blacksheepdolls]

No time for photos tonight, but since it’s BJDProArtist day, I thought I’d post something.

This blog is and always has been pro-artist and anti-recast! Not only are recasts illegal (yes, even in China), they hurt the livelihoods of small companies and individual artists, and are responsible for the closing of a few companies/artists already. I really can’t stand with something that harmful to the hobby and to individual people.

I’ll never harass anyone for owning them, but you won’t see any support for recasts here.

All of my dolls are legit, and always will be.

[real-bjd-recast-community]

I'm glad you blocked keiths-dolls since they're actually PurpleMonkFish's new account. They're going around attacking recasters and anyone else who doesn't agree with them because they are clearly not satisfied with leaving people they claim to "hate" alone.

I’m done dealing with hate from the same person/s I try to protect, that’s why I’m posting their names. I censored the “anti recast” “pro artist” name in prior confessions, but came back to insult the Admins of this blog with a new account passing as “someone else”, so now, please, own your shit. thank you.

#1 First part

#2 Second part

#3 Third part

Admin O

[real-bjd-recast-community]

"I recently bought a doll second hand that I’ve been wanting for ages. After it shipped, I found out that the girl I bought it from was a recaster." THIS IS A FUCKING MYTH recasting it's just as hard as legit casting. Unless this girl it's working for a recast company on China chances are even if she does a recast with silicon molds and resin it will be obviously spotted as recast because of bubbles in the resin. Not everyone has a vacuum pressure chamber for removing bubbles in their back yard.

(Not the Admins of this blog business, but this is true. Not everyone can simply recast a doll at home and make it look like a professional work so you won’t be able to tell the recast apart from the legit. Only if this particular person is working for major chinese seller and has the tools at hand; Ironically not all prorecast individuals are only involved whit recasts. For example, Admin O and me have an astonishing amount of legit dolls, %75 percent of our collections (given or taken) it’s made out of legits, yet, we are prorecast. We just don’t like to support abusive bullying or even passive aggressive behaviors inside a hobby we love. Recasters and recast owners are not the devil itself and will con you instantly just because they choose to be prorecast or even experiment for their own enjoyment at home. We are people like anyone else and don’t have the super power to make perfect castings as the ignorance of antirecasters or pro”artists” might indicate.)

[cuteycreationz-blog]

What do you guys think of this idea, calling recasts counterfeit in a more legalized fashion? I found this from @puffypuffers and @viridian_katt And I always try to say recasts out loud when talking about it, but still generally end up saying bootleg instead...^^’ I like this idea though! Your thoughts?? Pardon the spam for pro-artist signage, I’ve been seeing a lot of this lately so I’ll add my own two cents worth. I support artists of this hobby over any type of recasters/counterfeiters. Granted, it might be cheaper to buy recast, but in the long run it doesn’t work since it makes the artists frustrated and you REALLY don’t want a beloved sculpt to be discontinued because the artists gives up. It hits the hobby harder each time a counterfeit doll is created and sold, and buying from these thieves encourages them to make money on effort they didn’t expend to make a beautiful product. Please re-think your support of counterfeiters in this hobby, we want our community strong, not torn apart by thieves. If you sympathize with or are a recaster, please unfollow me. I don’t want anything to do with people like that. . . #bjd #bjdcanada #bjds #bjdphotography #bjdoll #bjddoll #bjdproartist #bjdanticounterfeit #bjdinstagram #bjdphoto #bjdhobby

[real-bjd-recast-community]

I recently bought my first non recast doll, but honestly thinking about the overall expense makes me unable to enjoy it. She just stays locked away like an expensive artifact. Never to be played with or enjoyed. I can’t even feel pride or satisfaction in just owning her. I feel really bad, but I’m thinking of selling her.

[mintyliciousbjd]

For @probjdartists day 2016, I thought I would showcase my Orion (Soom Pyrol Unicenta) and Theodore (DiM Happy Ace). Both WIPs were dyed by yours truly using Jacquard iDyePoly and RIT Dyemore, respectively. Wanting a doll in a color other than resin a company offers is no excuse to buy a recast. If you don’t feel comfortable dyeing a doll, there are artists out there you can commission to do the work for you. New synthetic dyes on the market offer a rainbow of hues, and since you can mix and match, the options are virtually endless. Please, respect ball-jointed doll artists. Buy legit. —Mint

[real-bjd-recast-community]

I’m sorry if this is too long, but I really wanted to get this off my chest. And it’s fine if this doesn’t get posted. (Can you please remove the numbers and just pack it all in so it's easier to read? Thanks.) I'm adding the rest of the confession on separate messages.

Anti-recasters like to dismiss pro-recast/anti-hate supporters by saying “They’re art. Not just dolls!” Some people like to say, “The artist is not getting that money they deserve! Neither the companies!” Some people like to insist that the recasting of discontinued/limited edition sculpts is killing the 2nd hand MP. These are all terrible arguments.

“They’re art. Not just dolls!” There have been several detailed posts showing and explaining what goes into the process of making a bjd. They are mass produced. There is only one original sculpt and then a lot of reproductions made with a silicon mold. But this is somewhat irrelevant. The basic argument for “They’re not just dolls.” is to imply that pro-recast are ignorant to every matter on the subject, when it really isn’t the case. What this all boils down to is free distribution of what antis call art based only on their moral parameters, which because there are a lot of artists involved in the community, might look like a big deal, but somehow they only acknowledge the doll artist and complain about the clothing or props or faceup artists like if art was just reduced to the doll itself. Nobody wants to have their work insulted because of the price, that includes other artists. Music artists, movie artists, clothing artists, every artist even non related to dolls. They are all artists and if you consider yourself “pro-artist” then you should fight for all of them and not just the ones you consider worthy on your scale. So that basically makes anti-recasters hypocrites down to the core. You should be supporting them, all of them, not only the artists you like. You all say it’s not about the doll, but it is, it’s always about the doll. You don’t want anyone to have a doll like yours, specially if it’s a lot of people who got it for a lot cheaper. It makes you feel stupid and not that special anymore. This has nothing to do neither with art or artists. Artist are just another excuse you shield yourself from reality.

“The artist is not getting that money they deserve! Neither the companies!” So what? Every legitimate business have reproductions of their products if they get popular. The recast are just filling in for the gaps. That money will never go to the artist or the companies, simply because many of that costumers can’t afford the actual price. So their sales are not affected on any level at all. And I doubt you know how I know “how the artist is paid by the company” to judge me based on the fact you suspect “I’m wrong and you must be right”, this is not elementary school. But what this argument disregards is that most companies are not owned by the artists, and the ones who are (like Dollshe, Migidoll, Supia, Mydolling, Art Bimong, Saint Bloom, Unoa and many others), cover their cost of an entire batch by selling from only 1 to 2 or 3 dolls. Every doll sold after that it’s clean money to their pockets. Considering their price it’s around +$500 and up, they get thousands of dollars from buyers. Artists are not starving, that it’s just a myth. Sure they have the right to put a price on their dolls, and sure we have the right to buy from the seller who have a better price for the same product. It’s only logical. Are you saying that recast sellers are not allowed to make a profit off their work? Because they do work a lot and they’re also people. And let’s get this straight, recasters may also exist to make money and turn a profit, but they’re still made up of people too. Customer service, marketing, photographers, casters, packers, quality control, all of these employees have to get paid somehow.

And then finally, “recasting of discontinued/limited edition sculpts is killing the 2nd hand MP.” No they’re don’t. And before you protest, think about it. We all understand you want to sell your doll, and yes, there are some really misinformed and cheap costumers out there, but charging a MNF head more than the entire doll on the FL website will not help you to sell it any faster. The reason why MPs are deserted it’s because no one will pay 5 times more for a used, yellowed, damaged, incomplete limited doll on a skin color they don’t like when they can pay it half or less the original selling price brand new on the skin color they want. I’m truly sorry if you’re offended by the Volks limiteds turned into a free for all rainbow colored frenzy, but as many things on this life, you will have to learn to live with it. That money we spent on our lavender Volks Lorina on the SDGr body you have no idea what it was used for. Maybe they paid for food for the employees, or anything else you can think off. Meanwhile, the money you paid for that used limited yellowed, broken, disgusting state doll on a legit MP might be going for bills, grocery or yes, even a recast from Lillycat, Kinoko Juice and TriffonyArtwork. You know why?, simple, because you can not control what other people do with their money, and from the moment you buy something from them, it’s their money, and they don’t have to ask for your permission to do whatever they want. And we all know most (if not all) anti-recasters vocals on this community have at least one (or more) recast on their collections and they pass them as legits, because yes, the quality of a recast it’s just as good as the legit.

Sure It’s not just about the dolls, it’s about people being respected and NOT having to explain what they do with their money. Don’t tell us that we’re overreacting or that we don’t care about other people. Clearly you anti-recasters are the ones who have more problems respecting other human beings. But I guess it doesn’t really matter, as long as you can scream to the sky you’re a better person because you own that limited sold out doll no one will ever have the right to have except for you and a couple others made by the elite of this world. Because ultimately that’s more important to you. That’s what your actions say, anyway.

by Anonymous

(There you have it Anon, thanks for taking the time. Admin C)