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[kynaston223w]

Whats your funniest sax experience?

[swapauanon]

did I already talked to you about this? If not...

Remeber how much wired is that we didn't get anything with Pietro after Penny falls from amity?

Well I remember something that make it even more weird, Pietro appears in V3! We can see him (well the back of his head) worried and sad after Pyrrha accidently killed Penny.

Why wouldn't they show him here but showed him there when he wasn't part of the story at all?

(Sorry if I start nagging you, my interest in RWBY came back and I wanted to talk with someone)

Him not appearing at all is somewhat understandable (as he and Maria had no way of contributing to the story at that point), but the heroes not even mentioning him and Maria after Amity begins to fall from the sky is weird.

Like, if Amity hits the ground, he and Maria will both die, and yet Team RWBY never show any concern for them. It makes them look uncharacteristically callous, given how much those two have done for them.

Even in the Volume 8 finale, when they're evacuating Mantle and Atlas, they make no mention of whether or not they intend to do something to try and track down Maria and Pietro, even though a throaway line of "Once we finish the evacuation we can create a copy of Amity Tower and find out where they are" would've taken like, no time at all to add.

Notably, they don't even appear in the Volume 9 Epilogue Animatic, to the point that the only reason we know they're still alive is by looking at Weiss' contacts in Super Heroes and Huntsmen Part 2.

I'm hoping Volume 10 will give those two a good showing, because it really isn't a good look for Team RWBY to just forget their own allies at the drop of a hat the way they did in Volume 8.

(Sorry about the negativity, the way Volume 8 treated those two always pissed me off.)

[nightmare-foundation]

I think one of the more disappointing things about RWBY that probably only i have ever thought of, is the fact that the majority of the continents are in tropical/subtropical/arid areas, with temperate climates realistically being more rare than they seem to be in canon

Like,, the continents are mostly around the middle of Remnant. They're huge (I'd say Sanus is the length of the Americas on its side), but mostly around the middle. I can't say for sure exactly what the climate situation would be (especially because ocean currents affect climate and i have NO idea how that works), but realistically? MOST of the land on Remnant would be tropical, subtropical, and arid. The black dragon continent is basically in the same place North America would be.

Do you know exactly how much that would change things in terms of culture, food, etc? Apples would be a rarity, meanwhile stuff like guava would be more common, assuming Remnant has the same foods we do. Then theres animals! Theres obviously different animals in different climates, and that affects the kinds of foods people on Remnant would eat.

Different climates would've been SUCH an interesting way to set up unique kingdoms that aren't like, European-based Fantasy Kingdom #6263575257 (I hold a grudge over how Vale is depicted purely bc its my favorite region).

Like,, what would be considered a delicacy? What would be normal? What kinds of environmental issues do they have to protect against? What foods do some kingdoms have that other kingdoms don't? Were wars fought over these rare resources? Etc etc

Stuff like climate and region informs SO MUCH about cultures and their histories. Like,, did people fight over Vacuo not just because of Dust, but because they had the rare delicacy of chocolate? Is the history of coffee beans different from ours, where it was always normal instead of having a history of colonization? Do different kingdoms eat more meat from say, deer, vs cattle? Is seafood more common since a majority of the kingdoms' capitals are around the sea? Is mountain goat a common meat in Mistral?

And what about maybe animals and plants that are unique to Remnant? How do they impact the cultures around them??

Like, I'm mostly talking about food and diet, but this goes for a lot of other things. Materials like various minerals and metals, or different types of wood, or plants that can be used for other things like medicine or dyes. Or other stuff that affects cultures, like the weather and the seasons and natural disasters. And this is completely ignoring how the Grimm might affect all of these things.

Like,, the kingdoms in RWBY could've been sooo much more unique and I'm a little bit disappointed that they aren't

[supersaiyanjedi14]

Annon-Guy: Any thoughts on how Adam was portrayed in RWBY?

A lot of fans hated that he was turned from this "Well Intentioned Extremist that's cool" to the "creepy abusive ex-boyfriend".

Ah, ain't this a can of worms.

Purely as he is on the show itself, Adam is perfectly fine in my opinion. He fulfils the critical roles of his character and remains one of RWBY's most memorable villains. I've always found the criticism of Adam being "changed" from the roles you mentioned above to not really hold up given that the former was mostly supposition that turned out wrong (Adam was never presented as "well intentioned" at any point on-screen, with him at best adopting the White Fang's banner as a vehicle for his own axe to grind rather than caring about bringing positive change) and the latter is honestly a severely simplistic view of him (Adam consistently had more presence beyond being Blake's abusive ex (which itself merely added a personal layer to their conflict) and only devolved into that when all his other bridges were burned).

That being said, I am dissatisfied with his portrayal in certain ways. While I disagree that Adam's sole role in the story was as Blake's abusive ex, I will not deny that that aspect of him came to overshadow the rest in the grand scheme of things. Adam's character is probably the biggest victim of the decision to discard the White Fang subplot second only to Blake herself, with other interesting explorations (ie how he came to adopt his mindset in the wake of his backstory, contrasting him with Sienna and Ghira on the ethics of violence, his dynamics with other characters within Salem's faction, etc.) being pushed aside to reduce him to Blake and Yang's personal nemesis (seriously, the bigger picture of the first 5 volumes may as well have never happened). As a result, Adam does feel kinda half-baked given his final resolution only revolved around him being an inciting incident for Blake and Yang's so-called "relationship" down the road, more plot device than character.

Honestly, Adam is one of several aspects of the show that would have benefited from more time to develop the setting and characters and more fully explore its themes. As it stands, though, he's okay and still my favorite villain next to Cinder.

[nightmare-foundation-2]

Hot take: Ozpin isn't even morally gray. I guess he is if you count past lives (slaughtering potentially thousands of ppl to end a war), but otherwise?? I really don't think he is.

Imo, Qrow is more morally gray, Ironwood pre-villain arc was morally gray, etc. I really don't think any of Oz's actions could count as 'morally gray', even when considering that he kept important information to keep his circle and by extension RWBY and Co hopeful, regardless of if you think it's manipulative or not (technically yes, but there was good intentions behind it so imo it's fundamentally different).

Oz really isn't the bad guy the entire fndm tries making him out to be. If he was I think the show would show him in that light, which it doesn't. It TRIED showing him as morally gray, but generally his actions aren't that bad. The FNDM loves saying Oz is an awful manipulative compulsive liar who's intentions are weird and muddy. But honestly I think if he was like that, he wouldn't be portrayed as good. Most of Salems own opinions on Oz is her projecting and being a hypocrite. I don't think the characters narration is reliable when it comes to Oz. The show itself tried making him seem like that in v6, but ultimately failed.

An example people use to say he's morally gray is pointing out that he made the Academies. Which, I won't lie, is a pretty stupid take. The Academies train older teenagers (17-21, possibly older if they allow older ppl to join) who have already been learning how to fight presumably since they were young. Ruby had presumably already had Crescent Rose for a few years by the time she was 15, and there's several combat schools to teach kids how to fight. Remnantians count as a warrior race! They HAVE to fight to survive. Even if you haven't been to an academy, it's normal to know how to fight to defend against Grimm. Controlled by Salem or not, Grimm are a constant that you NEED to fight against. The Academies just give widespread access to tools and education to learn in a safe environment filled with other hunters. They just so happen to fight off Salems Grimm forces, and unknowingly defend the Relics inside. It's a win-win-win on everyone's side. Yes, people are going to die. But they'd be MORE likely to die if a) they can't defend themselves properly b) don't have proper tools to do so or c) don't know how to fight at ALL. Thanks to the Academies, militaries don't need to be used (except Atlas). The possibility of war goes WAY down, and it's harder for the kingdoms to be actively corrupt (not impossible just less easier to be enforced). Objectively? The Academies are a GOOD thing.

Another example is people saying Oz brought RWBY and Co unwillingly into the shadow war. Which... is objectively incorrect. Qrow was the one who told Ruby about the information Cinder and Co were going to attack Haven, and Yang eventually went after her after she left. Ruby brought RNJR with her, because they all experienced trauma and reasonably wanted justice, thinking it was just Cinder behind everything. Then Qrow was the one who told RNJR roughly the truth. He didn't particularly want to, bit he relented anyways, and even then he held back information like Oz being immortal. He didn't even tell them about Salem, just that some nasty people wanted the Relics and Maiden powers and that one of them was named Salem. I guess you could count Ruby being brought into Beacon early, but even then that was the SAFEST option. If Cinder or Roman noticed her silver eyes in ep 1 and that got back to Salem, Ruby would be FUCKED. She was already involved in fighting Roman at that point, and thus would likely get targeted again, silver eyes or not. So Oz brought her in, citing her skill as the reason, while the others likely knew the truth. Qrow OR tai wouldn't have been fine with it if Oz only brought her in to put her into the circle. They would've torn him a new one. Not only that, but obviously he DIDN'T KNOW about the upcoming fall of Beacon. He genuinely thought Ruby and her team was going to be fine for the next 4 years, and when he was starting to suspect something was up, he STILL had no idea the Academy was going to be attacked during the festival. Why would he?? A direct attack isn't typical of Salem, iirc he or someone else said it themselves, especially since it had been 80 or so years since the Great War, which is implied that Salem started. Even IF he wanted to bring her in, he would've waited until after she graduated, which is what happened with STRQ and was going to happen with CVFY. Oz places an emphasis on letting them be kids for as long as possible. He only had to involve them when Qrow already told them everything. And even then, Oz repeatedly gave RWBY and JNR an out. He DID NOT WANT them involved, not yet at least. And with Pyrrha, he didn't exactly have a choice. He gave her time they didn't have, and required her to wait n think, and then needed her verbal consent WHILE BEACON WAS BEING ATTACKED. Yes telling her stressed her out, but I think if she knew the same thing could be offered to anyone else, she'd prefer to take on that burden. It wasn't fair, but it visibly pained Oz to have to give her the choice. He didn't want to, but war is never fair. He would've had to go to SOMEONE regardless.

As for Oz keeping the truth that Salem can't be killed a secret, imo, that is a very VERY hard call for anyone to make. For him it was the option of: tell them immediately and not have any allies (something he values heavily) or have them join Salem out of fear, wait first and tell them later and have them possibly freak out like Ironwood/betray him/lose hope and thus not have any allies, or never tell them so he has important allies and they possibly don't betray him or lose hope. Obviously, he chose the last option, and it's entirely possible he wanted to, eventually, tell them the truth, but we just don't know that. Of course I agree that Oz should've told his circle anyways, but for someone as traumatized and paranoid as Oz who's had to make this decision countless times, you can't exactly fault him for keeping the truth hidden. He's likely told the entire truth before and it bit him in the ass several times before he finally decided to keep it hidden. He said it himself, Leo was NOT the first nor was the last to betray him. As for not telling RWBY and Co? They're CHILDREN he's barely known for, what, a year?? And all of that he was their teacher/Headmaster who didn't often interact with them, or their mentor. He barely knew them and as far as we know, didn't get the chance to actually know and get close to them. They already knew just how dangerous Salem was from the fall of Beacon and battle of haven, plus the fact that she controls Grimm. They could've easily assumed Salem was hard to kill at LEAST since she's immortal and been around for countless thousands of years, and there's no way they thought no one tried to kill her. Oz barely knew them and they almost proved him right by nearly giving up. Plus, he was FRESHLY betrayed at that point. I'm sure yall noticed he was immediately pretty closed off due to the revelation of Leo's betrayal. He genuinely considered Leo a friend, so Oz's trauma response is to hold everyone else at arms length.

Another thing is the fact that he hid the truth from Salem as well early on in their relationship. Thing is, Jinn (a presumably reliable narrator) stated that they BOTH hid things from the other. Salem likely didn't tell him that she lied and manipulated kingdoms into turning against the gods, just that she wanted him back and the gods didn't like that bc that ABSOLUTELY would've upset Oz. Oz, knowing Salem didn't like the gods from her story, likely decided right then to keep the full truth from her, worried she wouldn't react well to it, something anyone would do. Not only that, but right after, Salem convinced, possibly manipulated, Oz into acting as a god-king with her, something he clearly didn't want to do. Jinn herself said "the hearts of men are easily swayed" as Salem convinced him to become a God-king with her. So yes, it's very possible that Salem manipulated him into doing that. "But Salem was fine with the truth later when he told her!" Yes, she was, but Oz couldn't have known that. And the whole reason he tried to leave her was because Salem was turning into a dictator tyrant, something Oz didn't want and something Salem was set on. He did overreact a little bit by bringing the kids instead of communicating with her, but it wasn't his fault that Salem immediately attacked him instead of trying to talk to him, or at least waiting until the kids were in a safe place before attacking him. Most of this wasn't Oz's fault, if any of it. Salem overreacted heavily by attacking him with the kids being react there. Had Oz and the kids lived and escaped her, they would've been TERRIFIED of Salem afterwards, traumatized by the ordeal. And it's never shown that Salem actually cared that they died, just that they "could've had freedom", blaming Oz instead. Meanwhile Oz, afterwards, spent whole LIVES drowning his sorrow and regret and trauma in alcohol, and he's clearly STILL affected by it if Salem using the silhouettes of their children is any indication, since she was likely taunting him (but also reminiscing, regardless of her feelings on the matter) and never brought up their children in any matter.

Overall I really don't think Oz is as bad as the fandom says he is. People like to think he and Salem are the same (something i might make a post on later), when they're very, very different. Oz really isn't bad, he's just traumatized and is basing current events off of past experiences. He's far from manipulative, uncaring, or really any negative adjective I've seen people describe him as. I've probably missed some things, but my point has been made I think. The fndm really likes to misinterpret Oz's character, saying he's exactly like Dumbledore, but in reality he's a subversion of characters like Dumbledore. He's a seriously good guy, and I think people miss that.

[soapofbar]

I said in my previous post related to RWBY that I stopped watching after Volume 8, because what happened to Penny and how she was treated throughout the volume was very, very distasteful to me. It's the biggest reason, although there are also a bunch of smaller reasons surrounding it. This is still true, I haven't watched V9 and I don't really plan to. I may, some day, out of curiosity/boredom, but I have somewhat been kept in the know even as I move onto other things due to still knowing people who are interested in RWBY, along with fandom talk and all that.

The main thing I want to talk about is the supposed message of V9, and how it relates back to Penny. More specifically, how it strikes as hypocritical and tone-deaf after everything that happened to her.

The core message of V9, as stated by Kerry on Twitter and pretty much blasted at the viewer in the volume's finale, is that you are enough, just the way you are. Ruby chooses to be herself rather than trying to emulate her mother/be the flawless leader/etc. and she's able to get back up and save the day. It's an alright message to send.

The problem: What about Penny?

Penny, in V2, expresses some self-doubt about an android. Feeling that she isn't as real as the actual flesh and blood humans around her, she's comforted by Ruby that she's just as much of a real girl as anyone else, and from then on she doesn't seem to express any discomfort about being a robot. She seems quite happy to be one, even, as she rebukes May for simply calling her "Robo-Girl" in V8E3

Then V8E12 comes around, and the text all but implies that Penny is a girl trapped in a robot body. Ambrosious expresses concern at what's left when he strips all the robot parts from her and Blake replies that there will be "Penny, the girl who's always been there underneath". Yang holds her metal arm and says that those pieces are just "extra". That being a robot doesn't define Penny and it's not who she is and the implication is that it's even holding her back. She's then turned into a real girl by Ambrosious. A thing, which, to my memory, she never asked to have happened to her.

Hell, the whole process is very similar to ascension in the Ever After, even. Penny's original body dies and in it's place is a new, "better" one.

The implication here is the opposite of what V9 is trying to say. That Penny isn't enough. That she's not "perfect just the way she is". The robot parts are just "extra" after all (they're not, and I will always hate that line with a fiery passion).

It's just...it feels so incredibly, incredibly jarring. Penny's arc in V8 was already incredibly bad, and full of ableism, and then we turn around and apply a message which COULD work for Penny and is probably even the one she should have had with her arc...and apply it to the conventionally-bodied protagonist who never had to struggle with her entire person-hood. Who never had to question if she was even a human being or not.

It's just all so frustrating. Penny deserved so much better.

[ironwoodprotectionsquad]

I see the fandom is now comparing Belos to Ironwood because of course they are. Of course they’ve decided James, the morally gray character who made tough choices and Belos, the selfish bastard that abused and repeatedly murdered his creations over and over again are exactly the same. The RWBY fndm really took CRWBY’s “Their is no nuance here only black and white” and ran for the hills with it. 

[smushiguro]

the idea that blake would see adam in ruby because shes YELLING shows how much these people dont even pay attention

adams abuse and manipulation of blake was centered around gaslighting, manipulation, and isolation. when he was screaming at her was the times she actually fought back and treated him with disdain.

if yelling is enough of a trigger for blake, maaaaaaaybe she shouldnt be with the girl whose semblance is near identical to her ex abuser and whose whole thing is that she goes super saiyan (according to yangs song)