#httyd berk

[berkgessthorne]

Sometimes home has many faces

Berk • Burgess • Hawthorne (wip)

[000marie198]

Before I share this essay, I need to clarify something. This is written with focus on what things would be like from Hiccup’s perspective. Everything said about the Berkians, though true, isn't exactly meant to be bashing because while not completely right for how it must've felt for their chief’s heir who'd been mistreated most of his life before, it should be remembered that from their perspective, it was probably quickly justified in their heads and then forgotten because while they'd been harsh or mean to him before, he really was too stubborn to listen and his actions had caused a lot of chaos before already so their ire in their head was justified pre-1st movie/early movie. Moreover, Hiccup has a habit of being sassy and sarcastic and making some of his feelings known but they don't know him well enough to realize that those sarcastic remarks are only a surface of how he actually feels and the fact he didn't make his feelings on the matter known post 1st movie’s events because he's nice like that, they wouldn't have actually realized what they did wrong. To them, they're happy and proud and consider him a hero, because he saved their lives and made their lives better. But Hiccup would assume they behave like that all of a sudden cuz he finally ‘killed a dragon’ because that's what's been at the forefront of his father's mind all the time and his father as chief represents the tribe and he believes his village only rewards that action so Hiccup would think they don't accept him for who he truly is and that they swept the past under the rug without offering him closure. Even if that's not the case for them. Remember that it was established multiple times that viking are too stubborn or singleminded to resolve things with proper communication and often just start fighting to solve problems.

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Now, as I've gotten this little bit out of the way, let's go into my essay on how Hiccup was treated by Berk and his classmates both before and after events of first movie and how he would feel regarding the shift and not receiving the villagers' apology. And mainly how the behavior change was vastly different with the Berkians as compared to the gang’s. Without further ado;

Analysis on Hiccup’s friendship with the Gang in comparison to the rest of the Berkians' behavioral change with him post first movie’s events:

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Alright, this might sound strange but after the events of 1st movie, Snotlout continuing being his arrogant self and openly displaying his frustrations when it comes to Hiccup particularly and the twins not holding back on shenanigans and jokes and craziness aimed at him but turning their once mean words into speculations of admiration is something I really really love. I love whenever they tease him or annoy him or make fun of him in the series in the beginning when he isn't used to their way of being friends and later on when they practically become a family. I loved the way they still spoke in their own manner to him when Astrid convinced them to follow his crazy plan on heading to battle on dragon backs. I love how competitive they've been with him since the very first episode of RoB and how they didn't bother to mask their actual feelings from him in GotNF or onward.

I love that the way how they treat him post 1st movie, with remnants of their older behavior still there, is not a 180 twist from how they once used to act.

Wanna know why? Because from Hiccup's perspective, everyone kind of shunned him before, and considering youngsters pick up from their surroundings, the other teens did the same, only seemingly meaner than the adults because they were usually at the forefront and their voices weren't lost in the clamour. Since they were his age, theirs were the words he usually didn't filter out, seen as he would sass back at their remarks and not to any of the adults.

But while the Berkians were always showing their annoyance and anger etc. at him most of the time and the teens were talking bad about him half the time and keeping him excluded from their activities the other, after his success in the ring and after Red Death, everyone pulled a total 180. Suddenly all these people who grumbled about him or yelled at him or gave him the cold shoulder or made it known they didn't like him, became immediately friendly without the smallest sense of remorse shown. Suddenly started treating him like the hero. Which he was but there was a very obvious lack of regret or acknowledgement of how they've treated him all his life in their behaviors.

The only people who apologized were Astrid and Stoick. And these were also the first people Toothless showed his trust towards (followed by Gobber because Hiccup actually cares about Gobber and he had made the prosthetics of both boys when Hiccup wasn't conscious and then Fishlegs, probably Gothi since she was the healer and then Snotlout and twins).

Here's the thing though, Gobber had nothing to apologize for since he was the only person on Berk who listened to and looked out for and was kind to Hiccup. Fishlegs didn't need to either because he never said a mean word to him and all his actions (which was mainly not being friends with him or laughing when everyone else did) can be attributed to peer pressure as can be seen in how he left the hall with Snotnuts instead of reading the book even though he loves reading more than anyone. The series established Fishlegs to be a nervous wreck when it came to certain things and he eventually grew out of it due to his friends' and Meatlug's influence.

Now then, back to Snotlout and the twins. We learned that while mean and bullying, this was just how Snotlout behaves with everyone.

Mainly because Spitelout raised him to act this way and doubled on pressurizing him every time he showed the slightest hint of kindness and consideration for others- Spitelout claiming it to be a weakness. Always act tough, never listen to reason if it challenges your position as the best, your best friend is nothing but a weapon etc etc.

Does not negate how he'd treated Hiccup but also, even after how everyone was celebrating for him on his success, I doubt that at the time Snot realized that what he had been doing was wrong (don't you just HATE Spitelout with a burning passion? Bcoz I sure do) or how Hiccup would feel about this. He was practically raised to be a leg-pulling jerk to get on top and it was at its peak when he didn't have much outside influence to block out his dad's teachings and when dragon killing was still everything on Berk and especially when the teens were in the biggest intra-village competition of their lives that only comes once (dragon killing training). Point in case, he was this way to everyone (remember when Snotnuts set free the skrill from its ice block and as soon as Stoick appeared he pointed at the twins and went "Their fault") and it was mainly due to Spitelout’s influence and partially due to Hiccup being the only target that wouldn't fight back.

And now the twins.

As you can see, they love rage baiting everyone and they and Snotlout are chaotic besties who gain a hive mind at mischief and never do stop teasing pranking or rage baiting others. That showed be clear by the fact Hiccup tasked them to rage bait the Red Death, it's their specialty.

Moving back to what I said in the first paragraph. I love the teens not immediately changing all that much in their behavior with Hiccup the way the rest of Berk did. Sure it must be nice to not be hated all the time by everyone and praised instead but all of a sudden just like that? At least the gang genuinely began to respect him without masking completely how they act and gradually became closer and closer till they all became the best of friends to the point that finally hanging out with them after a long time made Hiccup ecstatic in rtte.

He cares about the Berkians because they are his people. But the Gang? He loves them because they have become his people. His people.

Snotlout being annoying, acting like the cousin he is, not holding back on the teasing. The twins still pulling their shenanigans, still being unhinged, still often refusing to listen, still talking about him but now with a different observation... Astrid still taking out her anger if she's angry. All of this showed that while the rest of the village pulled a 180 and probably made Hiccup even more uncomfortable, the gang did not. They fixed what they could without unintentionally manipulating his emotions like that. Hiccup could count on them to be honest and true about how they feel, could count on them to not act like the adults did- to not sweep the past few years under the rug. Thawfest showed that Snotlout began acting the way he did when he was five, probably when those games started and his father's influence amplified to keep him winning. His father who has been implied threatening clan disownment for years. Anyways, Snotlout being annoying or mean or defiant or difficult hadn't changed. He displayed his frustrations or jealousy about Hiccup getting hero-worshipped or competitiveness quite clear and made it known. He didn't stop showing off. He didn't stop dismissing what the other said and never stopped hiding his true feelings. Which means that them becoming friends? It was his true feelings and not just the idolizing of the village where they treated a kid better only after he saved their lives by killing a dragon. It took time and effort from both sides and having to gain Toothless' trust and mutual protectiveness and legitimate consideration of each other for these two to reach that point in their relationship where they become friends, family even. It was developed with time.

(This moment shows so much more because you know Hiccup was about to apologize but Snotlout changed the direction in a good hearted way which made him not have to and Hiccup understood, which implies that Snot had apologized too in his own unique way)

Now about Ruffnut and Tuffnut. The type of jokes twins used to make about Hiccup since he was the easiest target? Series shows that they make these jokes about everyone, each other the most. They don't even spare Astrid or Stoick.

One just has more life experience to ignore it than the other. It's who they are. They were slapping around Snotlout with his own hands when he'd been paralyzed and they gaslit pranked him to believe he was gonna die. Now, when it comes to Hiccup, they still joke at him. But before while it was about him messing things up or being rejected by literally everyone on the island (where nobody thought these teens better about treating someone this way so clearly they were joking with the only adjectives they had for him at the time), now they are joking about what they see and observe by themselves regarding Hiccup because they spend a lot more time with him then they did before. It's no longer "He showed up," and "he didn't get eaten". Now it's "we talked about this, Hiccup is a magical creature," and "My leg fell off, all of the dragons are my friends," or “if you think about it Hiccup, it's actually your fault. You armed us with paint, where did you think that was gonna go?” and a whole list of leg jokes too.

As for Astrid, not only did she apologize to him but she also listened to him, stood by him, supported him, helped him and still remained competitive and fierce afterwards. She was his first ally in everything, and was the one who brought the others to him.

Fishlegs is someone I've already explained earlier on. Truth is, he never said anything mean to Hiccup ever and was mostly avoiding him when around other people out of peer pressure and social anxiety. Also the way Hiccup talked with him during the Zippleback scene indicated that Hiccup feels comfortable around him enough to speak to him so frankly without masking his tone.

The difference between the friendship with rest of gang and Berk's treatment of him post Red Death is that one was genuine, sincere, full of true emotions and growth while the other was sudden, whip-lashing, seemingly apathetic and remorseless with the assumption that praise would erase the past.

And the difference of both and their result shows throughout the series as well. While the gang sticks with him through thick and thin even when they fight or disagree or annoy each other to no end, they are with him and always have his back and ready to defend him in a heartbeat. Meanwhile the other Berkians who pulled 180 keep pulling a 180 every time the situation calls for it. They don't dare individually get to his face (unless it's Mildew) cuz they probably fear both the reactions of two people that have the power to retaliate and who both are extremely protective of Hiccup; the night fury and their chief. But they do all crowd together when a situation regarding dragons goes against them like the first episode and the fifth episode and when there was a lightning storm and so on. They go against him or the dragons at a twist of a dime. Sure they respect him as their hero and like him but it just isn't the same. They don't have his back the way those five teenagers do. The adults' compliments after his success in the ring are more relieved than heartfelt and genuine, their cheers for him are of pride rather than encouragement and love, their frustrations rearing their heads in series sudden and overwhelming and combined rather than sharing their feelings like a companion would.

While yes, canon didn't outright show anyone except Astrid and Stoick apologizing to Hiccup for the way he'd been treated all his life, it did affirm that what he has with the riders is honest and genuine and heartfelt. They are not like the rest of Berk in the slightest who all pulled a 180 with their behavior and treatment overnight.

Hiccup spent every day in the ring with these guys, he watched their faces and reactions gradually shift each day with all his tricks until it came to the point they were all clamouring around him and in the end, he flew to battle with them. They were the only ones who actually listened to him and followed him, who helped him find his best friend. It's not the same as the adults who were cheering over his success in the ring out of relief rather than genuine pride and turned from that to locking up Toothless and glaring at him with hatred to hailing him as hero again overnight.

TLDR: Berk praises hiccup because he's their hero and their sudden shift and lack of apology after Red Death’s defeat would serve to make Hiccup uncomfortable. On the other hand, each of his friends in the gang didn't change their dynamic in such a whip-lashing way overnight and their relationship with Hiccup was built over time and their respect and praise and friendship is genuine and heartfelt and carefully built.

[the-delta-42]

Hiccup: *Sitting with the pillow shoved up his shirt* Ruffnut & Tuffnut: *Sees Hiccup with a 'baby' belly and run off* *Twenty Minutes later* Ruff & Tuff: *Returning with half the tribe* Ruffnut: See?! Hiccup: *Sitting without the pillow up his shirt* What? Tuffnut: Where is it? Hiccup: Where is what? Ruffnut: The baby bump! Hiccup: What baby bump? Tuffnut: Your baby bump! Hiccup: I don't have a baby bump. Ruffnut: Yes, you did! Where is it? Half the tribe: *Leave grumbling* Tuffnut: B-b-b-but- he- there- Hiccup: *After everyone has left, discreetly shoving the pillow up his shirt* Oh, you mean this bump? Ruff & Tuff: *Stare at the bump* Hiccup: Me and Astrid got careless. Ruffnut: Why are you telling us? Hiccup: *Removing the pillow* Because... no one will ever believe you. Tuffnut: *Shocked silence* Ruffnut: You sick bastard.

[thisrandomstuff]

The Environment of HTTYD (LA & OG)

When we open up on Hiccup after Gobber and Stoick talk, we don't actually open up on Hiccup. They take time getting there, to be like "oh, look at all these cool shots of the island we've got"... which contribute nothing to the actual story (because in the OG we just saw them while the story was unfolding), and then we arrive at the forest.

Which is part of why this film takes what feels like ages to get anywhere.

Now, when they give us the first shot inside the forest:

Which... first of all, clearly has warmer and brighter lighting than the OG. Which does nothing to set up the atmosphere. Also, the music is different. Ironically, I think the instrumentation for the live action remake would be more at home with the visuals of the OG. Also, I find the soundtrack to just be richer in the OG?

But back to the visuals, which in the OG look more like this:

Look at how much more contrast, how much more Hiccup stands out now, even from a distance, how much more dramatic and cooler and interesting this looks! (Also, it looks way more like something you'd hang on a wall... it's art. (As are most scenes from this movie.)

Now, look at the undergrowth. Even with the super strong shadows you can tell there is more that makes up the undergrowth of the animated version than the "live-action version". It looks more rich and alive, and less plantation-y. Now, the live-action one doesn't accurately represent a plantation, but it doesn't strike as a very healthy forest either. (Which is both slightly depressing and means nothing to the movie.) You can hear the birdsong in the background — faintly — in the animated one. I do hear a couple sounds in the live action one, but there's more of it in the animated one, I swear. And it's more memorable.

The barrenness of the live action one feels extra weird, consider it's supposed to be fall. Which should mean prime time for mushrooms — islands (especially their forested regions) are generally optimally soggy for mushroom growth — and all sorts of things, but we get none of that shown. (In either version, admittedly, but the la could use it more since detail and realism should be the strength of an la remake, right?.)

When we finally get to see more of the "undergrowth" in the la, it's mostly just baby trees:

Would not be surprised if there's at most 2-3 types of trees, and one type of lichen in this place.

Also, thanks for taking longer to get to showing Hiccup's book. I love having my time wasted.

We then get to see a river... which, is cool, I'll give it that.

And look, they finally found more plants than just conifers!

But the atmosphere still ain't it, and the way the music overshadows the sounds of the water doesn't help the mood, imo. (Also, lighting is still ill-fitting.

Plus, with the way Hiccup is "waaaughh"ing... reminds me of Dagur.

It's at this point that I feel the need to remind everyone of the thing they already probably know, but were nostalgia-blinded about: it's the characters that make a story. Things happen the way they do because of the characters. This includes everyone from minor and background characters to the major ones... and yes, this includes any non-humans. Sure, weather events may happen, but how characters respond to them decide the impact of those events. Sure, natural disasters may happen, but it's the characters that deal with the aftermath and each will deal with it in a different way, resulting in different things being done about it. It's the characters we generally watch movies about. Hell, it's the characters that we watch documentaries about. (Yes, even the animals in any BBC Earth/Nat Geo documentary.)

(One could also argue that nature has it's own "character", but since they already — mostly — butchered the nature and atmosphere of Berk... that's not gonna save the characterisation. Although, maybe some talented gif maker will contribute some much needed and more accurate atmosphere to the la shots. It's been done before with Disney LA remakes.)

It gives: "look, we're not shot for shot, we have a river here!". Oh, congrats, I'm glad you added more runtime to a movie that didn't need it. But also, did anyone think Berk didn't have rivers? Was this necessary? And... couldn't they have just shot the earlier bit here, instead, since it's arguably a more interesting scene than that sickly ass, warm-ass looking forest from before? (Add a couple bird sounds, maybe turn up the volume of the water, change the music, because God does it feel off... edit the lighting to be slightly drearier... more... Berk-like...)

My recommendation would've starting the shooting for Hiccup finding Toothless would be starting at the river, having him fumble over the river — but less lit — then moving onto this shot in the "forest", because at least this part has more plants noticeably in it. Again, less lighting though. Maybe wouldn't kill them to give the background a foggier look too. To give that sense of being lost, trying to find something lost... (And maybe snatching some of those bird sounds from earlier...)

In the OG, we take 24 seconds to get from the start of Hiccup's search to this:

Punctuated by more bird sounds!

(Also, from this view, the bent and broken branch reminds of a very spiky dragon tail.) It took 30-40 seconds to get to the same point from the same point in the la remake.

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Despite the fact that this was supposedly shot in several countries (America — LA —, Northern Ireland — Belfast —, Iceland and Faroe Islands), it doesn't genuinely seem based in any of these settings, but what it does look like is a mishmash of things that don't belong there and that just look... off. Unfinished.

In the LA the shooting for the scene begins here:

Which... what even is this? It looks like half an island. It looks like someone bashed in a giant traffic cone and painted it green. Like someone was trying to create one in blender and then got bored half way and was like "welp, I'm done". I mean, the trees are nice, but that's about all you can say for that.

It's not like night time helps much either, because:

I'm not even sure this looks like the same island as the one above, let alone Berk. They don't even have that shot of the viking statues in the beginning, which takes away from a lot of the coolness, and that legendary/mythical feeling.

Remember, berk is "located solidly on the meridian of misery". It's surrounded by fog, it rains and it's windy there, the skies are often covered in clouds (tbf, the bottom pic has clouds)... the island itself has personality. No, not the la one, the animated one. The personality of the live-action one has been smoothed down and the weather is more welcoming, as if to be made more... marketable.

It's also clearly not much like one of the Faroe islands:

or even remotely inspired by it. Of all the shapes and formations, the la island has none of those. (Although, to be fair, I wouldn't recommend basing it too closely off of anything around North-Western Europe because let's face it, our natural environment is heavily depleted and has been for centuries now. Many of the islands above would've probably had more tree cover than that.)

Also, as somewhat saddening as it would've been, this would've been a chance to represent some of the fauna that went extinct that inhabited that area until the 18th, 19th or 20th century. (Like Great Auks.) Since they're doing CGI animals, they might as well have added some CGI extinct animals.

But, back on topic, the island also doesn't look like Berk:

Hell, it doesn't even look as plausibly-an-inhabitable-island as someone's minecraft creation (barring the trees. The trees help a little):

At this rate it would've been more creative if they crossed HTTYD with Minecraft, and had it fully animated in a minecraft style, with characters (minecraft players trapped in a minecraft version of HTTYD, for some reason) pushed to play the roles of HTTYD characters but constantly acting differently because they're not them. Then the OOC acting would make sense, the whole concept would be more interesting AND we'd get two universes for the price of one.

But instead we had an "eh" Minecraft movie and this la remake.

But I'm getting distracted.

Although, a lot of the shooting was done in Norther Ireland (according to Screenrant), none of the Irish islands look like LA Berk either. Also, it's a bit weird Dean chose Ireland, while hiring an English actor to play the part of a character who originally had a Scottish accent. It's probably nothing, but... it gets even weirder when he thought that was the one place for unpredictable weather... and then managed to somehow shoot on the few days where the weather was clearly pleasant. I also want to add that the "natural beauty" of Ireland has been severely depleted over the centuries and replaced with farms where it could be. (There are efforts to bring back the woodlands and whatnot, though.)

Also, I think there is a genuine reason to be potentially concerned about the choices for a few of those scenes, as some of these are reserves. If excessive attention is brought to these places, that could be an issue. (Which was the other perk of animated Berk... it wasn't real. It couldn't become an actual tourist destination and so couldn't be exploited and harmed.) I mean, this movie already functions as a commercial for a theme park. The idea that this movie that will no doubt get massively popular (I mean, it already is judging by those high ratings) might also function that way for places that could benefit from avoiding mass tourism should surely be uncomfortable. We've already been seeing issues with mass tourism in countries like Spain and Italy, and while I'm sure most less-visited places could benefit from a small boost of ethical tourism... I'm not so sure that's what's going to happen. (Besides, I've already seen people talk about how the Faroe islands were used in this, so, yeah.)

There are a few Icelandic islands that are smallish and awkwardly shaped, but pretty much all of those are (probably for good reasons) uninhabited. And LA remake Berk looks somehow less habitable than OG Berk. (Which is weird, because they took out "we're vikings. We... have stubbornness issues" from the opening narration when it would've been the perfect explanation as to why they picked out this borderline uninhabitable looking blob of land.)

My point is:

— They take stuff from the real world, but don't bother keeping it realistic, or maintaining some sort of consistent vibe to even just the environment... and istg that island is fake, which... if it's fake, why bother making a live-action if most of the settings are fake? I mean, you already got CGI dragons and, I presume, sheep. Are they gonna CGI the humans in LA HTTYD 2 as well?

— They take A LOT of stuff from the animated version, but can't capture any of that in the live action either. And especially not the environment, personality, clothing or even the general look of the dragon. They took all the character out of everything, and couldn't even replace any of it with genuine, plausible realism, nor could the balance it all well-enough for a half-half approach that still maintains the most important thing: the characters.

— Using real locations is a double-edged sword... and I think they're used poorly here. They can make a scene feel very real, and help with immersion, but only if used well. But this can also be troublesome, because they can serve as advertisement, which can become unwanted.

— Also, they arguably don't DO anything with the locations, the locations are just there, in the background. And I can't speak for the people of the Faroe islands, Iceland or Ireland, but when one of the countries I live/lived in gets used as just a backdrop (especially when none of the major actors involved are from there, or have any ties to the country) it leaves me with conflicted feelings, and not all of them are good.

They couldn't even settle for one or the other and ultimately gave us neither... and not of it feels half as immersive or as lively as the OG.

It's not like realistic or "live-action" has to look this... lacking, either.

I've seen documentaries that look objectively cooler than this la remake. And those work with far smaller budgets.

Anywho, apologies if that was a little too much unfocused rambling for anyone. I just came across something and got into the mood to pick another part of this movie apart.

[noctusfury]

Why Would the Outcasts Pick Outcast Island as Their Main Base? (HTTYD)

Hello, my fellow Furians! Here's another HTTYD article for you today. We'll be talking about another Outcast topic.

Why Outcast Island?

Why would the Outcasts live on a barren, unforgiving, dragon-infested, desolate, and volcanic island that, at best, makes a decent base for pirating and not much else? Maybe a hideout where they can restock on supplies and use it as a halfway point to various islands that they can raid — such as Berk, Meathead Islands, and various other islands and Tribes.

However, I just can't believe that is their primary residence. Food would be difficult to come by, and none of the land is arable for growing crops or husbanding livestock. Also, even if there was, you're constantly having to deal with dragons who aggressively attack, and thus livestock would be slain, and crops would be burned or taken.

Furthermore, the only tree species able to live on this desolate island is the Loki Tree, which requires little to no organic material or moisture to grow.

The only fish that we know of that can be gleaned, aside from fish from the sea in general, is the Icetail Pike, which can be fished in the only water source on Outcast Island: the Lake.

Other than that, the only food that can be foraged is from the sea, from nearby islands, and from raiding other Tribes. Also, there's the morbid possibility that they're also hunting down dragons and eating them for days when food is hard to get.

Now, in Defenders of Berk's "A View to a Skrill Part 2", we see the Outcasts and Berserkers having a feast celebrating their alliance against Berk. However, it is unclear how this food was obtained — whether through trade (via Trader Johann, who DOES trade with them), through raiding, pillaging, or donated by the Berserkers.

Another possibility is that their womenfolk gave it to them.

Oh? What do you mean, Noctus?

I mean exactly what I mean, and it's exactly what my article is about.

I suspect that the Outcasts have ANOTHER ISLAND that we might not know about — an island where they can grow and raise food, have comfortable housing, and, of course, raise their families. After all, it's impossible for women and children to live on Outcast Island when there's a bunch of dragons attacking you, and the island is so barren and desolate.

As such, I believe that Outcast Island is a forward base of operations used to repair and resupply ships and raid nearby islands and passing ships. Another reason I believe this is because Outcast Island is close to Berk, which is helpful to Alvin since he had wished to conquer Berk at one point.

Also, it's doubtful that we have an entire Tribe of Outcasts who are single or alone. Sure, I'm sure there are many who became Outcasts as single men or had left their families on their home islands so that they didn't have to suffer the treacherous tribulation. Being outlawed was the same as being picked for the Hunger Games: almost an immediate death sentence. Many either died from starvation, drowning, slain by an eager bounty hunter for glory, attacked by wild animals, or ended their own lives. It was a very dark time for such people. Many were either alone, or came together in groups to form bands. Some even get big enough to be small "tribes" of their own, albeit Outcast ones. However, there were some who brought their families with them, either because they were all moving to another location or because they refused to part with their outcasted patriarch.

In the Books, the Outcasts were rebels led by Grimbeard's son Thugheart, who brought their families with them with the dark ambition to one day claim the Kingdom of the Wilderwest. So I wouldn't be surprised if TV Alvin's Outcasts have done something similar here.

That being said, I could be totally wrong, and that THESE Outcasts are all single and are a male-only group of pirates and Outcast Island is the only island they can obtain at the moment, hence one of the reasons why Alvin — and ultimately the Outcasts themselves — were so obsessed with conquering Berk for themselves.

However, nonetheless, I wouldn't be surprised if, after their redemption arc, the Outcasts eventually find themselves an island they can live on while Outcast Island becomes more of an outpost/prison/garrison/storehouse island. Heck, the Outcasts could either be allowed to live on Berk, or even be GIVEN Berk if the Hooligan Tribe left to colonize New Berk.

What do you guys think? Do you think the Outcasts have another island other than Outcast Island that we don't know about? Or is this the only island? Do you think that, if so, they'll eventually get an island of their own to live in?

Thank you for reading, and I hope you have a lovely Monday!

Long Live the Night!

— Noctus Fury

[toravia]

I never really thought Hiccup would be Chief

Not as in didn't see it coming, as in I don't think he would be chief

He loves Berk yes and will always come back eventually, but in my mind he's an adventurer through and through and not one to be tied down to one spot for too long

In my head he doesn't have the stability and reassurance to give to the whole of Berk as an entity, that a chief would give to its village

Astrid, however, would make a great Chieftess

She'd rule as Chief

She'd literally rock that shit

[mx-dragon-faye]

Just a little something I sent my best friend just now. Yeah that’s it that’s the post.

[miri3155]

Httyd Scenery

I tried to draw that outside viewof Berk.

It's my first time drawing scenery so I don't think its too bad...

I made this some time ago and since then have been practicing skies and clouds a bit more and I think I've gotten better! Still need to work on water and the the land itself tho..

If you have any tips on backgrounds let me know

Maybe in like a year or few I can try to redraw this and compare them?