#httyd outcasts

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I've just realized that we don't see any Outcast women...

Do you think there are any? All we see are dudes..

Odd?

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Why Would the Outcasts Pick Outcast Island as Their Main Base? (HTTYD)

Hello, my fellow Furians! Here's another HTTYD article for you today. We'll be talking about another Outcast topic.

Why Outcast Island?

Why would the Outcasts live on a barren, unforgiving, dragon-infested, desolate, and volcanic island that, at best, makes a decent base for pirating and not much else? Maybe a hideout where they can restock on supplies and use it as a halfway point to various islands that they can raid — such as Berk, Meathead Islands, and various other islands and Tribes.

However, I just can't believe that is their primary residence. Food would be difficult to come by, and none of the land is arable for growing crops or husbanding livestock. Also, even if there was, you're constantly having to deal with dragons who aggressively attack, and thus livestock would be slain, and crops would be burned or taken.

Furthermore, the only tree species able to live on this desolate island is the Loki Tree, which requires little to no organic material or moisture to grow.

The only fish that we know of that can be gleaned, aside from fish from the sea in general, is the Icetail Pike, which can be fished in the only water source on Outcast Island: the Lake.

Other than that, the only food that can be foraged is from the sea, from nearby islands, and from raiding other Tribes. Also, there's the morbid possibility that they're also hunting down dragons and eating them for days when food is hard to get.

Now, in Defenders of Berk's "A View to a Skrill Part 2", we see the Outcasts and Berserkers having a feast celebrating their alliance against Berk. However, it is unclear how this food was obtained — whether through trade (via Trader Johann, who DOES trade with them), through raiding, pillaging, or donated by the Berserkers.

Another possibility is that their womenfolk gave it to them.

Oh? What do you mean, Noctus?

I mean exactly what I mean, and it's exactly what my article is about.

I suspect that the Outcasts have ANOTHER ISLAND that we might not know about — an island where they can grow and raise food, have comfortable housing, and, of course, raise their families. After all, it's impossible for women and children to live on Outcast Island when there's a bunch of dragons attacking you, and the island is so barren and desolate.

As such, I believe that Outcast Island is a forward base of operations used to repair and resupply ships and raid nearby islands and passing ships. Another reason I believe this is because Outcast Island is close to Berk, which is helpful to Alvin since he had wished to conquer Berk at one point.

Also, it's doubtful that we have an entire Tribe of Outcasts who are single or alone. Sure, I'm sure there are many who became Outcasts as single men or had left their families on their home islands so that they didn't have to suffer the treacherous tribulation. Being outlawed was the same as being picked for the Hunger Games: almost an immediate death sentence. Many either died from starvation, drowning, slain by an eager bounty hunter for glory, attacked by wild animals, or ended their own lives. It was a very dark time for such people. Many were either alone, or came together in groups to form bands. Some even get big enough to be small "tribes" of their own, albeit Outcast ones. However, there were some who brought their families with them, either because they were all moving to another location or because they refused to part with their outcasted patriarch.

In the Books, the Outcasts were rebels led by Grimbeard's son Thugheart, who brought their families with them with the dark ambition to one day claim the Kingdom of the Wilderwest. So I wouldn't be surprised if TV Alvin's Outcasts have done something similar here.

That being said, I could be totally wrong, and that THESE Outcasts are all single and are a male-only group of pirates and Outcast Island is the only island they can obtain at the moment, hence one of the reasons why Alvin — and ultimately the Outcasts themselves — were so obsessed with conquering Berk for themselves.

However, nonetheless, I wouldn't be surprised if, after their redemption arc, the Outcasts eventually find themselves an island they can live on while Outcast Island becomes more of an outpost/prison/garrison/storehouse island. Heck, the Outcasts could either be allowed to live on Berk, or even be GIVEN Berk if the Hooligan Tribe left to colonize New Berk.

What do you guys think? Do you think the Outcasts have another island other than Outcast Island that we don't know about? Or is this the only island? Do you think that, if so, they'll eventually get an island of their own to live in?

Thank you for reading, and I hope you have a lovely Monday!

Long Live the Night!

— Noctus Fury

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After Redemption, Will the Outcasts Remain an Independent Tribe, or Will They Join Berk? (HTTYD / RTTE)

Hello, my fellow Furians! Welcome to another HTTYD article. We'll be diving into another Outcast question today.

After reconciling with Berk and defeating Dagur's forces, would Alvin and his Outcasts JOIN Berk and become a permanent part of their community — essentially getting absorbed — or would they remain as an independent Tribe, allies but not subordinates?

The short answer? No, they would remain independent allies of Berk.

Long answer? Well, we'll be getting into that in this article.

As you know from my previous article, you'll know that I have a hard time believing that Outcast Island is their only island, as, at best, it's good only as a forward base for raiding or resupply, or even as a prison. But as a place to grow food and raise families, no, it's impossible. So I suspect they have another island somewhere, albeit smaller than Berk. Or perhaps they find a better island for themselves after the events of Defenders of Berk.

However, we mustn't ever forget that they are OUTCASTS. A Tribe full of outcasts, outlaws, criminals, murderers, pirates, rebels, traitors, and political and religious rivals. Even if the feud between them and Berk is over, it doesn't mean that they cease being outcasts and pirates. After all, Berk wasn't the ONLY enemy that the Outcasts made for themselves. In reality, by becoming an Outcast, everyone becomes your enemy. The pursuit of your head becomes a free-for-all. So, until a certain high-rank individual approves, the Outcasts must always attack, and others must attack them until they become legitimate or perish.

So, as a result, Berk cannot absorb them without themselves being under scrutiny by the other Tribes. Also, as I've said, many of the Outcasts are murderers, criminals, thieves, pirates, etc, so there'll definitely be those who won't have any desire to live with the Berkians, and vice versa. After all, there are a few reasons why many Outcasts joined Dagur and stayed with him despite Alvin having shown himself still alive. The Outcasts aren't a monolithic and united "tribe," but a motley blending of various persons from various walks of life and of various personalities.

In fact, in Episode 1 of Race to the Edge, "The Dragon Eye of the Beholder," there were Outcast traitor(s) who helped Dagur escape from Outcast Island. And there were Outcast prisoners who were in cells along with Dagur and his Berserkers. Which means that there are Outcasts who refuse to adhere to Alvin's authority and obey his orders. I also suspect that several of them disapproved of Alvin's change in policy concerning Berk. I wouldn't even be surprised if there were some who left Outcast Island for other hunting grounds.

So I cannot think of any situation that could realistically incorporate the Outcasts into the Hooligan Tribe successfully without negative or even fatal consequences.

The only way I could see Berkians and Outcasts conjoining together into one mega-tribe is for survival's sake. Or the Berkians became Outcasts themselves — an alternate universe where the other Viking Tribes, upon hearing that Berk befriends and rides dragons, remember Drago, and declare Berk a Tribe of Outcasts, and declare war on them.

Aside from some Outcasts with families possibly wanting to migrate to Berk, I believe the Outcasts will remain an independent community and find themselves an island they can live on properly with Outcast Island as their outpost/prison. And as shown in Race to the Edge, the Outcasts became staunch allies for Berk against Dagur's forces (who were also Outcasts) and the Dragon Hunters.

Assuming, of course, there was a more realistic reason to abandon Berk (aside from the nonsense we got in "Hidden World"), such as... an earthquake or volcano or some other trouble, or perhaps they wanted to live on a larger island, I believe that they could've left Berk to Alvin and his Incasts, ironically fulfilling Alvin's once-held ambition and goal from his Outcast days, having once been a Berkian himself.

What do you guys think? Let me know in the comments or in your reblogs. The Outcast Tribe is always a wonderful topic to write about. I think there's probably one more article left for the Outcasts I'll write for before I move on to the Berserkers next.

Thank you for reading. I hope you have a wonderful Monday.

Long Live the Night!

— Noctus Fury

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Who Became the New Inhabitants of Old Berk After the Berkians Left? (HTTYD 3)

Hello, everyone! Welcome to another HTTYD article. Today will begin one of my few HTTYD 3 articles that I plan on doing. But this'll also tie into my Alvin-cum-Outcasts series.

So what happened to Old Berk after the Berkians left? Somebody would've had to have occupied it at some point. However, this is assuming that the Berkians haven't kept their claim on Old Berk and still have it as part of their territories.

Of course, perhaps the remains of the Northern Alliance had taken it over. But I highly doubt the other Viking Tribes would've tolerated their presence in their waters.

It's possible that the Berserkers or some other Tribe took it over after the Berkians left. Someone who's geographically close to Berk or had a close relationship with Berk.

Or it's possible Berk was abandoned for a time, and then maybe some future settlers came to live on it much later — assuming, of course, it wasn't abandoned indefinitely or even permanently.

If we follow the Books, the Berkians, of course, NEVER left Berk, even after the dragons left. Even if they did, I'm sure the Meatheads would've taken Berk over due to being just a skip across the pond.

However, I propose a plausible candidate who took over Berk after the Berkians' migration:

The Outcasts!

It is my headcanon, and theory, that it was the Outcasts who eventually inherited Old Berk from the Hooligans/Berkians. I mean, the Outcasts have to find some sort of land at some point.

I mean, LOOK AT THIS! Outcast Island is dreary, gloomy, barren, dry; full of rocks, crags, and dragons; and is volcanic in nature. You literally can't scrounge any sort of prosperity and survivability from this island.

It's only useful for one purpose: a military base-cum-outpost for raiding and pillaging passing ships and nearby islands.

There's the Loki tree which is common on the island and is often used as some form of caulking and chalking agent. It's also used for charcoal. It is malodorous in nature and is able to thrive in dry and barren places. It is possible that it smells terrible due to the volcanic environment it's in, having a sulfuric scent.

There's also the Ice Tail Pike, which only can be found on Outcast Island (which is strange when you think about it since there's no ice anywhere on the island). I highly doubt it's "rare" though — there's so much of them.

So the Outcasts basically have to get their food from the sea, any raids they conduct on other islands or any ships they plunder, and if they're lucky, trade from Johann (which is odd in and of itself). I haven't seen any livestock on there. And it's been mentioned and implied in several episodes that Outcasts also eat dragon eggs a lot, and maybe dragons themselves — proof of the desperate measures they must take to sustain themselves.

After they ally themselves with Berk to defeat Dagur in "Cast Out," however, things change, and Alvin and Stoick are able to resolve their past grievances and restore their lost friendship.

In RTTE, the second time we see them, they come to Berk's aid and protect Berk while the Dragon Riders fly to Vanaheim and Stoick is... recovering from his battle injuries. Honestly, if Alvin wasn't reformed, this would've been the best opportunity to take over Berk for himself with Stoick incapacitated and the Riders absent from Berkian skies. But c'est la vie. 🤷‍♂️😌

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if, during this time or some other situation or another, Stoick and Alvin came to an agreement that should anything happen to Stoick and Hiccup, or if the Berkians are forced to leave Berk, Alvin and the Outcasts could take Berk for themselves.

I mean, you say their island. They obviously need an island on which they can lead a more normal livelihood and also gain wives and sire the next generation (because I have no idea how they'll be able to keep their numbers up if they don't).

Of course, it may be that the Outcasts have grown so used to their life on Outcast Island that they don't have any inclination to move elsewhere. If so, then I could see them extensively trading with Berk and other traders for the goods that they need. 🤷‍♂️

But I can't see Alvin's desire for Berk dissipating just because he's reformed. I'm sure he still has ambitions for "something more." Berk would be a great additional island for them. Even if they just use Berk as a home for their families and various craftsmen and farmers, and place some defences and dragons to protect Berk, whilst remaining on Outcast Island, the ends are still achieved.

Yes, Alvin, it's good to be back on the shores of Berk! 😁

What do you guys think happened to Old Berk after the third film?

I hope you enjoyed this article. Thank you for reading. See you next time!

Long Live the Night!

— Noctus Fury

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Fishlegs is Alvin's Son? (HTTYD/RTTE Theory/Headcanon)

Well met, my fellow Furians! In connection with my Fishlegs the Outcast article (here), this is another article concerning the relationship between Fishlegs and Alvin the Treacherous Trustworthy.

Could Fishlegs be Alvin's son?

Why would I ask that? Well, if you're a fan of the books like I am, it's obvious I'd ask this question. In the books, Fishlegs was Alvin's son. (Spoilers: Alvin doesn't get a redemption arc in the books. He remains an unrepentant villain to the last! 😂)

Naturally, of course, this is the TV series, and TV Alvin is va-a-a-a-astly different from his Book counterpart. As is Fishlegs, for that matter. And, well, the entire story plot. So it just goes to show that it's 98% likely that they have zero blood relations at all!

HOWEVER!!! That doesn't mean that it's impossible! It's always plausible that Fishlegs could've been adopted, like in the books, and that his real biological father is Alvin!

Of course, in reality, Fishlegs and Alvin have had too few interactions to really authenticate this theory, but at the same time, it's also possible for Alvin to totally not recognize his son (especially if he's never seen the child to begin with), and thus treat him differently than if he knew that he was his son.

Regardless of whether this is true or not, the fact that this plausibility exists just adds an additional layer of depth to this relationship that wasn't there before, and I'm LOVING IT!! 🤩😍

What do you guys think? Do you think that TV Fishlegs and Alvin could be biologically related? Or do you think that they're not related at all?

Thank you for reading and I hope that you have a wonderful day! See you in another article!

Long Live the Night!

— Noctus Fury

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Fishlegs the Outcast? (HTTYD/RTTE Fanon Headcanon)

Well met, my fellow Furians! And welcome to another article! Today's topic will dive into the relationship between Alvin and Fishlegs in the RTTE Season 5 episode "Return of Thor Bonecrusher".

This will leap from my Outcast/Incast Redemption Headcanon articles, and I have a lovely little fanon headcanon for you guys. 😆

So for those of you who've read my Alvin the Trustworthy/Outcast Tribe-Turned-Incast Tribe headcanon articles (here, here, and here), and have seen my X Leaves Berk fanfic ideas (here), you'll probably recognize this topic a little bit. 😏😉

I also have a theory/headcanon article about Fishlegs being Alvin's son that you can read here.

What if Fishlegs was an Outcast? Instead of your usual Hiccup Leaves Berk AU fanfic or comic, what if it was Fishlegs who left Berk? There are many ways to do it: from having wanderlust and wanting to travel, to being banished for one reason or another, or having indirectly harmed somebody, or even from him banishing himself from Berk, or wanting to become a merchant. There are so many ways to go about this when it comes to Fishlegs. I find it sad that nobody's ever thought of anyone else leaving Berk besides Hiccup. 😢

But I'm digressing. Back to my original question: What if Fishlegs was an Outcast? Whether this happened before, during, or after Alvin's redemption; whether this happened in HTTYD 1, RoB, DoB, or RttE; or whether Fishlegs truly became an Outcast for one reason or another is beside the point.

After watching "Return of Thor Bonecrusher," I've come to an idea that I've never thought about: What if Fishlegs became an Outcast? What if the result of that event brought about a series of scenarios that would change Fishlegs' life forever?

What if Alvin, having been impressed with Fishlegs' courage and his help in rescuing him from bandits, that he decided to go to Berk and asked both Stoick and Fishlegs' parents if he could adopt him as his heir to the Outcast-now-Incast Tribe?

In Viking society, adoption and foster parenting was a big part of their culture and they were one of the many ways to build or solidify alliances or friendships with each other.

Now we know that, canonically speaking, Fishlegs remained on Berk and probably would've refused the offer even if it had been proffered to him. But this is why this is a fanon headcanon. 😏🤫

What would happen if Fishlegs had accepted the offer of adoption, and left his family and Berk to become Alvin's heir of the OutIncast Tribe? I think the majority if not all of the Outcasts would unanimously vote in favor of that, if that episode was anything to go by.

But I think it'd be great since Alvin doesn't have an heir and is getting on in years. It'd be a great relief on his mind if he had somebody capable who could lead the Incasts.

Crap, now that makes me want to write a fanfic about that! 😂

Also, here's a bonus scene with them in the Riders of Berk episode "Alvin and the Outcasts". They're talking about poetry here. It's hilarious! 😂

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I'd love to know what you guys think about this, because I find this to be a very interesting concept.

Thank you very much for reading this and see you guys in the next article!

Long Live the Night!

— Noctus Fury

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Who Replaced Savage as Alvin's Chief Subordinate? (Defenders of Berk/RTTE)

Hello, everyone! Welcome to another HTTYD article! Today, we'll be going into another Alvin/Outcast topic!

Anyone wonder who replaced Savage as Alvin's subordinate after Dagur's defeat at the Defenders of Berk finale? Savage fled after Dagur's capture, and Alvin was left sans a right-hand man. So who took over his position?

I can think of a few people. Though, it could always be somebody that we don't even know. But, for argument's sake, let's start with four likely candidates. With one additional fanon option, which I'll add at the end of this.

The first candidate I'd like to present you as a likely option is this guy in the Riders of Berk episode "Alvin and the Outcasts," where he runs to Alvin, who's in Stoick's place, and reports of having been given reports by Scouts about Bucket and Mulch with a bunch of others heading to Thor's Beach, along with Stoick and a group heading into the forest.

We also see in later on, when he's stranded on Dragon Island with Alvin, Savage, and others.

Personally, I like this guy. He looks like he's got a good head on his shoulders, and he's got a pretty nice voice. Sadly, he doesn't have a name despite having a speaking part since he doesn't have one in the credits. 😔🙏🏻

So let's just call him Hugin, after one of Odin's ravens who reports to him all he finds. 🤷‍♂️

It's hard to tell if we see him in other episodes after this, since it's been awhile since I've watched ROB, and we also have to deal with the multiple Outcast minion clones that resemble him. 😵‍💫

The Second Candidate for the position of Alvin's chief subordinate is this guy, found in RTTE Season 6 episode "Return of Thor Bonecrusher", who talks to the Gang and informs them about the situation, as well as the pike:

Let's call him Cheeky, due to his cheekguards. (I honestly don't know what to say about that helmet. It's not even covering his cheeks but his nose area instead. 💀 Is his beard THAT bushy? 😅)

Now, this could be pure coincidence — again, given the clones DreamWorks Dragons LOVES to duplicate — but we also see him in "Alvin and the Outcasts", along with, I assume, the first candidate I've just mentioned earlier, convening with Alvin in their Great Hall, listening to Alvin's plan about capturing the "Dragon Conqueror".

Judging from this picture above, I'm assuming that he's one of Alvin's subordinates, since usually the only ones allowed to be in-the-know about a chieftain's plans or schemes are those under their retinue: the commanders who lead the men and keep things somewhat civilized and orderly.

Of course, the men in these two pics look different: One looks rather friendly while the other one just above us looks rather stern and focused, as a subordinate ought to be. So this could just be two completely different people. Though that could be that he only gets "that way" — friendly and talkative — when talking about Ice Pike. (That, actually could be very interesting. 😮 A literal ice-breaker, that. 🤭)

So in case I'm wrong, let me clarify: the second candidate is the one we see in "Alvin and the Outcasts," just like this fella here just down below, wearing a... full-faced spangenhelm — the Third Candidate:

Let's call him Helmface.

We also see him in "Return of Thor Bonecrusher," and, if memory serves, he was with Cheeky when he explained the pike, and then threw up when Fishlegs, as Thor, ate one of them raw. 💀

In ROB's "Alvin and the Outcasts," we also see him — or who we assume is him — among those stranded with Alvin.

However, keep in mind that full-helmed goons for Outcasts, Berserkers and Hunters are usually just your run-of-the-mill common soldier. So I may be fully wrong and am just assuming that since the other two subordinates are there that he is also a subordinate.

And now we get to the Fourth and Final Candidate: Mildew.

That's right. Mildew.

As you know, in the ROB finale, as well as Defenders of Berk, Mildew has become an Outcast and serves Alvin. And after learning how to train dragons thanks to Hiccup impromptu dragon training lesson, he uses this knowledge to teach the Outcasts how to train dragons — namely Whispering Deaths and even Changewings.

(I'll be honest, I was rather disappointed that they passed on the opportunity to have a bunch of Outcast Dragon Riders. That would've been much more entertaining. And that would've been an extra nod to the books. That really should've been added. 😢😔)

He's also shown to be really intelligent, not only in being competent in handling the dragons, but also came up with several ideas to deal with the dragons: In ROB's "Dragon Flower," he bought Blue Oleanders which was basically poison for the dragons and thus weakened them considerably (honestly, it would've been great to utilize blue oleander to keep dragons away from certain places or as a type of defensive measure, etc — another lost opportunity); In "Dragons We Trust," Mildew successfully used his dragon tools to frame the dragons and get them banished from Berk, thus leaving Berk open to an Outcast raid (you can read here). In DOB's "Live and Let Fly," "The Iron Gronkle," "Tunnel Vision," and "Worst in Show," Mildew set a plan to destroy Berk from within by using Whispering Death eggs. And, unintentionally, it brought forth the Screaming Death, which gave a much greater challenge to Berk; and he also then suggested using those tunnels made by the Whispering Deaths to sneak into Berk and do whatever they wanted, and was able to capture Meatlug as a result.

And finally, at the end in the DOB finale episode "Cast Out," he was the inside man which helped Alvin and Hiccup to sneak onto Outcast Island and free Stoick and defeat Dagur. I don't know how he got caught, since I'm sure Savage or the other Outcasts should've told Dagur about him, the Whispering Deaths, and the caves. But they either don't know, or, in Savage's case, perhaps he didn't like Mildew's increasing importance within the Outcast Tribe and didn't want him doing the same thing as a Berserker subordinate. Who knows. But that would actually be interesting. 🤔🤷‍♂️ But all we know is that Mildew was one of the few Outcasts who knew about Alvin's return and helped him defeat Dagur.

In conclusion, Mildew is a resourceful and intelligent individual, despite his acrimonious and recalcitrant complaints. He obviously keeps all that to himself while on Outcast Island, since he could lose his head. Or maybe he just genuinely enjoys not being on Berk. Who knows. 🤷‍♂️

According to School of Dragons game lore — and you guys know how much I avoid game and comic lore to the hilt! — Mildew apparently can't stand that there are too many dragons both on Outcast Island and on Berk, and thus travels to a less-populated island called Icestorm Island. This would, of course, disprove this theory that Mildew became Alvin's chief subordinate, if this is true.

So this is up to you guys on whether you wish to incorporate this part of the game lore into it or not. Personally, I don't. So I'll be ignoring this. That being said, though, it WOULD be like Mildew to try to get away from dragons. But in the show, Mildew looked like he was having a soft spot for the Whispering Deaths and all that, so... I don't know. Make out of that what you will. 🤷‍♂️

And thus, my final candidate is a fanon one of my own concoction:

Fishlegs Ingerman.

I had just posted some posts concerning this (see here and here), but Fishlegs after the "The Return of Thor Bonecrusher" would've been the perfect candidate for Alvin. He saved his (Alvin's) life and is very intelligent and strong as an individual. If Fishlegs decided that Berk wasn't the place for him and yearned to do something more or to continue doing something adventurous, joining the Incasts-nee-Outcasts as Alvin's chief subordinate — even heir — and gaining fame and achievements and honor for himself. Personally, I'm really liking this headcanon-cum-theory. 😁

Of heck, it could even be some random character who we aren't aware of. Or even a child or young man that washed up on shore who Alvin had taken under his wing. The sky's the limit!

So in conclusion, there are several candidates who have the potential of being Alvin's chief subordinate. As to who, I'll leave that up to you. Let me know what you guys think. I'd love to see your thoughts on this.

After this post, there will probably be another 3 or so Alvin or Outcasts-related articles before I dive into the Berserkers or other topics! I'll also try to make sure to post the links on my blog so that they'll be readily available.

Thank you very much for reading! Hope you have a wonderful weekend.

Long Live the Night!

— Noctus Fury