#sidesystem

[faggy-thing]

Minecraft Dogs Sidesys ~

Pale Wolf Little ~

Names: Scout, Buster, Apple, Toby, Benji

Pronouns: he/him, re/ren, vo/vos, ip/ips, paw/paws, woof/woofs, tike/tikes, bon/bons

Orientation: demiromantic, asexual, bambi achillean

Genders: kidcoric, nostalgiagender, mingender, enboy, masckiddic, pupgender, sundogic, tweegender

Presentation: masculine, balloon animal, peacock

Roles: dear, innocence holder, companion, battery

Sign-offs: ☘️, 🐶, 🐛, ☀️, 🍎, 🍪

Woods Dog Caretaker ~

Names: Sammy, Mikey, Mary, Aubrey, Parker

Pronouns: he/him, she/her, nix/nix, ae/aer, xe/hir, sun/suns, bea/beau, wood/woods

Orientation: pansexual, polyromantic, polyaffectionate

Genders: girlboyflux, genderfruct, demifluid, aingionsolaic, deaola, cottagecrittean

Presentation: androgynous, moon mist

Roles: caretaker, ameliorator, hygienist, assidumate

Sign-offs: 🥧, 🍊, 🔆, 🌳, 🪡, 💚

Striped Dog Protector ~

Names: Ranger, Wander, Ronny, Beetle, Archie

Pronouns: they/them, it/its, ny/nym, re/rem, ty/tyr, dusk/dusks, ox/oxen, thorn/thorns

Orientation: aroace, bi-alterous

Genders: agenderflor, lofichillduskic, desertbiomic, cowboygender

Presentation: neutral, pomegranate

Roles: protector, arc, advocate, night guard, explorer

Sign-offs: 🌵, 🌟, 🪃, 🥁, 🛤️, 🐃

Spotted Dog Academic ~

Names: Tawny, Alice, Charlie, Levi, Tessa

Pronouns: she/her, ne/nem, thi/thim, ve/vir, fern/ferns, lil/lily/lilies, oak/oaks, fall/falls

Orientation: lesboy, biromantic, iculaplatonic

Genders: butchgender, transfem, cafegender, willorainian, cozyfemmagic, obscuracademic

Presentation: butch, mourning dove

Roles: academic, posier, chef, hobbyist

Sign-offs: ☕️, 🎧, ♠️, 📕, 🌷, 💼

Rusty Dog Comedian ~

Names: Mollie, Rover, Sunny, Bumblebee, Fidget

Pronouns: hx/hxm, shy/hyr, they/them, it/its, vi/vir, pop/pops, ae/aer, jest/jests

Orientation: aroallo, greyromantic, pansexual

Genders: panagender, inersgender, clowncoric, frutigaeroaesic, webcoric, sparkledoggender, huegender, pupstimmic, beachpupgender

Presentation: xenic, neutral, powder ash, blender

Roles: comedian, jokestar, stim holder, optimist, sexual pleaser

Sign-offs: 🦄, 🌴, 🌺, 🍌, 🫟, 🪅

Ashen Dog Symptom Holder ~

Names: Harper, Sasha, Willow, Ash, Blue

Pronouns: mirror pronouns, x/xs, they/them, one/ones, rain/rains, snow/snows, tea/teas

Orientation: aroace, demiplatonic

Genders: librafeminine, genderselkie, genderfinch, snowynightwalkic, frostbleu, stormyskygender

Presentation: fem, deer xenintation, patched up

Roles: anxiety holder, depression holder, low empathy holder, procrastinator, batmate

Sign-offs: ☁️, 🪻, ❄️, 🛏️, 💙, 🌀

Snowy Dog Socializer ~

Names: Brittany, Veronica, Brook, Star, Piper

Pronouns: she/her, fae/faer, se/syr, ge/gem, star/stars, glow/glows, prim/prims, bow/bows

Orientation: bisexual, autosexual/romantic, lesromantic, hyperlibidoist

Genders: starcloudic, strawberrysodagender, gyarugender, fresamoraline, pinkugender, genderfae, birchian

Presentation: fem, queen bee, ruby, opal

Roles: socializer, romanticist, rival, moldbreaker

Sign-offs: 💖, 🎀, 🛍️, 🎆, 🩰, 🍬

Chestnut Dog Persecutor ~

Names: Pine, Jasper, Zeke, Fray, Salem

Pronouns: it/its, x/xs, v/vs, ne/nym, ze/zir, night/nights, fog/fogs, bone/bones, zom/zomb

Orientation: quoisexual, omniromantic, nocturnalromantic

Genders: neutravoid, libraflux, genderdark, zombzgender, loserfail, grunoxcityic

Presentation: neutral, creature

Roles: persecutor, isolator, emotional distressor, nostalgia holder

Sign-offs: 🌑, 🫐, 🌃, 🕳️, 🪦, 🪾

Black Dog Gatekeeper ~

Names: Levi, Cinna, Martin, Ezekiel, Dominic

Pronouns: he/him, hy/hym, thon/thons, zae/zaer, it/its, bark/barks, moss/mosses, moon/moons

Orientation: abrosexual, ninromantic, aroaceflux

Genders: dawnian, mossgender, forestcoric, liminalforestic, moonboy, averagwolf

Presentation: masc, neutral, amulet

Roles: gatekeeper, architect, archivist, fragment developer

Sign-offs: 🐾, 🍂, 🌙, 🐺, 📚, 🌳

[p2wcomputa]

yo guys i reaaallyy need resources about why is sidesystem a RAMCOA exclusive term

(dw guys i don't say i dont believe this, i want to clarify something with some guys but i need sources. pretty please?)

[education-system]

Genuinely curious where the idea that side systems are solely a RAMCOA/OEA thing came from. I haven't seen a definition of the term that doesn't include things that could easily also be experienced by polyfragmented systems regardless of what trauma lead them to be polyfragmented. Its always been presented as a simple complexity thing not as a trauma restrictive thing. So what is the link? And if we were to say it is RAMCOA/OEA exclusive what would be the term for the experience that fits every definition you find online but is experienced by someone who is not a survivor of RAMCOA/OEA?

Note that system complexity has more to do with duration and inescapability of trauma than it does of how bad the individual traumatic events were(ugh trauma Olympics talk). One can become polyfragmented due to stressors of growing up neurodivergent(or in some other oppressed group) which they have no way to escape and insufficient accommodations for. Others don't have to be doing unimaginable things to the child for complex structures like these to exist.

[weird-plurality-is]

weird plurality we're actually 3-6 systems in one

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[outnumberedsins]

what is a side system vs sub system vs layer? ive heard multiple definitions of subsystem and im confused (I'm sorry if this sends multiple times my wifi is bad)

No problem! All of these terms are very similar and rely heavily on inner structure. I hope this helps:

'Subsystem' can mean multiple things. The first meaning refers to groups of alters that are somehow linked together and separate from other alters somehow. This could be a group of alters very similar to one another, ones with better communication between one another, or separate in other ways. Subsystems may reside in specific areas of the innerworld or have a separate inner world themselves.

The second definition refers to 'alter-in-alter' subsystems. Think of it like a russian nesting doll - an alter has their own alters. These subsystems may have their own innerworlds and struggle with communicating with those in the main system when fronting.

The third definition is an overarching term for any groupings of alters, including layers and sidesystems. Basically, it's a catch-all term. This definition is the most common within clinical literature, so when reading them, it might be confusing.

Here's an attempt at a visual representation:

The larger subsystem has good communication with the rest of the system and resides in its own area of the innerworld. These parts could have all split to deal with the same specific trauma and are considered a subsystem because they sort of stick together.

The smaller subsystem is a possible example of an alter-in-alter subsystem. The part that's inside the main system may be the "host alter" for that subsystem. Their innerworld is disconnected from the main one and may have communication difficulties.

'Sidesystem' can refer to a programming-specific phenomenon where programmers specifically create programmed parts somewhere completely separate from the main system. I'm using this definition because it's what I was referring to in my previous post, and I don't feel like debating if non-programmed systems can have structures that are similar. In literature, this is seen referred to as 'Left' and 'Right' sides of systems, but they don't necessarily have to be right next to each other. Despite the name, they don't have to be left/right, that's just how some people describe them.

Sidesystems typically have their own innerworld and are used by programmers to keep programmed parts hidden and separate from the main system or those that deal with day to day life. Sidesystems themselves can be layers. There may be one or two higher ups that can travel between sidesystems.

A notable difference between sidesystems and other groupings of alters is the amnesia level. Amnesia barriers between sidesystem alters and non sidesystem alters are huge. While there can be amnesia between other groups, the whole point of sidesystems is to create a completely separate "system," and thus, very heavy amnesia is present.

An attempt at a visual representation:

Sidesystems have no connection with the main system. This can be changed through integration of course, but as a base, they are completely seperate. Ideally, none but a couple alters will know about each other.

'Layers' refers to groups of alters that are separate from the main system, often "stacked" on top of one another. Despite the name, they don't have to be stacked. That's just how some people describe them. Layers are very common within polyfragmented systems, especially programmed systems. Layers often have their own themed innerworld, for example, a city or forest. Alters are typically separated by purpose or other split patterns and may have communication difficulties with other layers. In programming, layers are often seen within sidesystems or are sidesystems themselves. There may be some connection between layers.

An attempt at a visual representation:

In this, there are three layers stacked on each other. The main system has a connection to the layer below them and may be able to communicate more easily. The layer above, however, has no connection, and it may require a higher up part to communicate with them.

As you can see, all of these terms are very similar and can overlap with one another, and all can exist within the same system. At the end of the day, use what you are most comfortable with. Do you just want to call everything a subsystem? That's fine. If you like the specification? That's also fine.

For example, one person says "I kind of visualise it as descending 'containers' of alters. Like it goes, 'sidesystem -> has multiple layers -> has multiple subsystems.' but I know that that isn't everyone's experience."

Another says, "I can't be assed to specify what kind of group it is. I call everything a subsystem. It works for me."

All in all, I hope this helped. Let me know if you have any other questions, and I'll do my best to answer them.

[unique-plural]

Hey we are both polyfragmented and a very small system at the same time! We have two "operating systems", which basically means:

1. The traumagenic side - super complex polyfragmented system with levels/ layers/sidesystems and hundreds of fragment type alters to deal with very severe trauma from infancy. Vivid inner world. We can call this operating system "Windows". It's very difficult to interact with, full of PTSD symptoms (software malfunctions) and major struggles with life.

2. The endogenic side - Very small! Less than ten people! Very well-rounded headmates, very spiritual in nature, very connected to our spiritual beliefs and cultural ties. A white void for an inner world with a bean bag. We can call this one "Linux" for this analogy.

Both operating systems do different tasks, have different ways of living, and never are able to interact seriously with each other mentally. We are Hoping to change this, but so far, this has been tough. I have never seen another system describe this. Does anyone else's system work like this? Especially if you are a mixed origin traumaendo?

We don't go through this since our headmates are all blends of origins in one way or another even if they weren't formed with it (+ we aren't polyfragmented), but we asked for input from @enberneutral and Daimon told us this:

" I may not have it as complex on our traumagenic side of our system, but I related heavily to how you organize your system either way. There's a distinct difference between the "veterans" (traumas) and just our typical endo sysmates.

It's mostly relatable, but then we have veterans such as Klaus in charge of a sidesystem which is mostly composed of non-traumagenics. Zachary, on the otherhand, is the only median subsystem which we could label as fully traumagenic.

Aside from that, I feel like we've met some people on Tumblr with similar experiences, and if anyone who sees this can relate, then please let us know!! "

hopefully he helped :)

[theeclipsepack]

Primsystem

Primsystem is a term for when a plural has sidesystems, though has a first system which is the primsystem.

Clustersystems

Clustersystems is a term for multiple (2+) sidesystems who are closer together than another sidesystem.

Multisystem

A overall term for a plural who has multiple systems. They have multiple (2+) sidesystems.

Polysystem

A term for a plural who has many sidesystems. There isn't a minimum count, however normally over 4. However, anyone can use this term.

Infisystem

A term for a plural who has infinite sidesystems and/or doesn't know how many they have.

Separasystem

A term for a system who is considered separate from the other sidesystems. They are normally fully separate compared to the other sidesystems.

[muzzledwerewolf]

Stop silencing survivors!

Content Warning: mentioning of organized abuse, programming, system discourse.

I hate the misinformation and silencing around ramcoa survivors especially those who have been programmed to be a system. This will be a long yap be prepared.

Topics: hc DID, sidesystems

Let me first start of with the misinformation around the term hc DID (highly complex Dissociative Identity Disorder).

Highly complex DID doesn't mean they have more or worse trauma it means they have a highly complex system structure, hierarchys and innerworld due to it being created through programming so to serve someone else and not to protect the brain. These systems often have polyfragmentation, sidesystems who are completely separate from other subsystems containing programmed parts and a highly complex hierarchical structure often far more than 3 ranks.

This term gets treated like a community term which it isn't in reality. The term got coined by medical professionals to describe their patient. This patient Maymay published the term on social media which then made everyone assume they (unsure about pronouns) were the coiner. Maymay is a problematic system of the Internet and because of that people have been accusing people who use the term to be equally as problematic as them. Which to me is just another way to silence us again. This also isn't the first time that programmed systems get called highly complex. In the book "Becoming yourself" by Allison Miller from the year 2014 she already describes them as such in the introduction of the book. (Disclaimer that Miller is a conspiracy theorist but the book is a good book for survivors to read)

Continuing with sidesystems. I've seen many people say that it doesn't make sense it's programmed exclusive. Most non programmed systems I see using sidesystems use it in a way of subsystems that are separate. And to that I just advice you to look into the 4 types of subsystems (or shoot me an ask and I will see to explain them in a post). Subsystems can present in many different ways. But sidesystems are separate from that.

Sidesystems are systems within one body that are programmed to be completely separated from the other subsystem and sidesystems. Most often Sidesystems are completely unaware of the existence of other Sidesystems this is due to how they were made. They have extreme amnesia barriers to ensure that programmed information or information about the abuse doesn't get to the outside. Sidesystems are made and contain only programmed parts.

Sidesystems aren't just separate subsystems they have major differences in structure and amnesia/dissociative barriers. You can be a non programmed system and experience subsystems with heavy amnesia between them who are contained to one part of the innerworld and are separate. But you cannot experience Sidesystems who are made by torture based mind control.

Why do we feel the need to kick down to survivors who already are at their lowest? Can we please start listening and stop talking over other experiences?