punative justice be like: this person stole my bag because they cant afford to live. i am now going to lock them in a cage, abuse them, and deprive them of their autonomy
restorative/transformative justice be like: lets address crime before it happens and treat people humanely
and then people are really saying: hmmmm but do criminals really deserve human dignity?
took forensic psych and have aspd. the term psychopathy is only really used in criminal psychology as a way to understand why people commit crimes. there's a big problem with the theory being 1. People have had a hard time applying it to women 2. it describes a very specific person who commits usually violent crime, not a general way to describe why people commit crimes. I also don't like this theory to be clear. "psychopath" is still not a diagnostic term or diagnosis. please don't call people it. (not at you at prev anon). also from my understanding in regards to the theory itself psychopathy and sociopathy mean the same thing
CW: uncensored ableist language.
Please note that while I do not know if this ask refers to the US, my understanding of the criminal justice system and its relation to the psychology field only goes so far as the US so that is what I’m speaking about in this ask.
In the common belief by the general public, one means a non-violent person with ASPD and the other is a violent person with ASPD, but some others believe one means ASPD and one means NPD. I don’t know if that’s what the courts believe.
For the record, psychopathy in criminal psychology still describes ASPD and is considered a personality disorder just as ASPD is, they just call it psychopathy. It’s a continuation of the ableist term now brought into the criminal justice system.
The issue with criminal psychology is that it rarely holds as much weight in court as forcibly applying a true medical diagnosis to a person, and besides, if they use a medical diagnosis they can permanently attach it to that person even outside of the criminal justice system.
That is done on the stand or by “independent” psychologists (aka not done by the psychiatrist or therapist of the person even if they have one) with ASPD most frequently because the symptoms are almost all suspiciously based on things that could be diagnosed without any knowledge of the person if it’s assumed they’ve committed a crime.
On top of that, even if they’re using criminal psychology, that shouldn’t even be a thing. To say that criminals somehow have some different psychology that isn’t related to medical psychology is blatantly demonizing and dehumanizing. Criminal psychology being somehow its own type of psychology using different terms is extremely problematic in numerous ways, and is to be quite honest extremely ableist and again a way of dehumanizing people who have committed or are assumed to have committed crimes (another issue prevalent in it is putting the cart before the horse in cases where people have been falsely accused).
Attempting to assume that a criminal must have some inherent different psychological function that separates them from “normal” people is a way the courts force the concept that criminals are evil or in some other way so damaged that they can be mistreated and forced into the only legal type of slavery. It helps people sleep at night to think they could never commit that type of crime and neither could any of their friends because they are “normal” as well as to avoid thinking of the fact that our method of separating dangerous people from potential victims is to lock them in a metal cage like an animal and mistreat them. If they’re somehow different from everyone else, then they’re either subhuman or non-human and then it’s okay in the majority of the population’s eyes. It’s also often used to perpetuate the racism and ableism already present so that people who don’t want to admit out loud can still be racist and ableist because “statistics prove these people are violent and savage”. People with ASPD, NPD, schizophrenia (and other disorders that experience psychotic episodes), amongst other disorders often fall victim to the ableism here - the “reasonable” assumption in the general public’s eyes is that these people are by default violent with some rare exceptions and therefore are less than. In fact, this belief goes so far as to bring out the eugenics that a massive amount of the population believes in - that these people “shouldn’t be allowed to breed” such that they can avoid future criminals.
As a child and teen I fell into this same belief (“bad person” not eugenics), the way everyone else in the US at least is - and then as an adult I found out that it was not only not the case but in fact is to some degree a known lie to allow systemic cruelty and slavery. I was then victimized specifically because seemingly “normal” people I knew well suddenly committed violent crimes against me, furthering my understanding that this logic is flawed at best by ignorance and at worst by malice, racism, and bigotry. This forever killed my childhood dream of being a cop and keeping my Exceptions and children & animals safe from all the “bad people”.
For the record, it doesn’t seem like you’re defending this in your ask. The reason I am explaining why that’s invalid is so that people don’t go “see it does have a medical meaning” or “see I can use it to describe criminals or people I think are violent”, etc.
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CW: uncensored ableist language
Please note that while I do not know if this ask refers to the US, my understanding of the criminal justice system and its relation to the psychology field only goes so far as the US so that is what I’m speaking about in this ask.
In the common belief by the general public, one means a non-violent person with ASPD and the other is a violent person with ASPD, but some others believe one means ASPD and one means NPD. I don’t know if that’s what the courts believe.
For the record, psychopathy in criminal psychology still describes ASPD and is considered a personality disorder just as ASPD is, they just call it psychopathy. It’s a continuation of the ableist term now brought into the criminal justice system.
The issue with criminal psychology is that it rarely holds as much weight in court as forcibly applying a true medical diagnosis to a person, and besides, if they use a medical diagnosis they can permanently attach it to that person even outside of the criminal justice system.
That is done on the stand or by “independent” psychologists (aka not done by the psychiatrist or therapist of the person even if they have one) with ASPD most frequently because the symptoms are almost all suspiciously based on things that could be diagnosed without any knowledge of the person if it’s assumed they’ve committed a crime.
On top of that, even if they’re using criminal psychology, that shouldn’t even be a thing. To say that criminals somehow have some different psychology that isn’t related to medical psychology is blatantly demonizing and dehumanizing. Criminal psychology being somehow its own type of psychology using different terms is extremely problematic in numerous ways, and is to be quite honest extremely ableist and again a way of dehumanizing people who have committed or are assumed to have committed crimes (another issue prevalent in it is putting the cart before the horse in cases where people have been falsely accused).
Attempting to assume that a criminal must have some inherent different psychological function that separates them from “normal” people is a way the courts force the concept that criminals are evil or in some other way so damaged that they can be mistreated and forced into the only legal type of slavery. It helps people sleep at night to think they could never commit that type of crime and neither could any of their friends because they are “normal” as well as to avoid thinking of the fact that our method of separating dangerous people from potential victims is to lock them in a metal cage like an animal and mistreat them. If they’re somehow different from everyone else, then they’re either subhuman or non-human and then it’s okay in the majority of the population’s eyes. It’s also often used to perpetuate the racism and ableism already present so that people who don’t want to admit out loud can still be racist and ableist because “statistics prove these people are violent and savage”. People with ASPD, NPD, schizophrenia (and other disorders that experience psychotic episodes), amongst other disorders often fall victim to the ableism here - the “reasonable” assumption in the general public’s eyes is that these people are by default violent with some rare exceptions and therefore are less than. In fact, this belief goes so far as to bring out the eugenics that a massive amount of the population believes in - that these people “shouldn’t be allowed to breed” such that they can avoid future criminals.
As a child and teen I fell into this same belief (“bad person” not eugenics), the way everyone else in the US at least is - and then as an adult I found out that it was not only not the case but in fact is to some degree a known lie to allow systemic cruelty and slavery. I was then victimized specifically because seemingly “normal” people I knew well suddenly committed violent crimes against me, furthering my understanding that this logic is flawed at best by ignorance and at worst by malice, racism, and bigotry. This forever killed my childhood dream of being a cop and keeping my Exceptions and children & animals safe from all the “bad people”.
For the record, it doesn’t seem like you’re defending this in your ask. The reason I am explaining why that’s invalid is so that people don’t go “see it does have a medical meaning” or “see I can use it to describe criminals or people I think are violent”, etc.
a/n: amazing tea poses made especially by the lovely @madebycoffee thank you so much! I love them!
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(MAX): …Hi.
(SANDRA): Max, come in.
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(MAX): Thank you for letting my friend come with me, I’m a bit nervous and-
(SANDRA): Don’t worry about it. Dais mentioned you might not come alone.
(MAX): Cool. Um-
(SANDRA): D’ya want a cuppa? Me mum’s got all sorts in her cupboard.
(MAX): Oh! English breakfast would be great if you’ve got it.
(SANDRA): Alright, [to Lena] Same for you?
(LENA): I’m okay thanks, is it cool if I sit out in the living room? Just to give you two some privacy.
(SANDRA): Go for it. Let me know if you need anything.
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(SANDRA): So how do you want to do this? Do you have questions or do you want me to just start talking?
(MAX): Um, I guess I have questions? Like, Daisy said you were cellmates so was that for a long time or?
(SANDRA): I met your mum around seven years ago. Typically, when new inmates are inducted, we’re paired up with someone to show us the ropes. Your mum was that for me. I think when I got there she was a few years into her time.
(MAX): Right…and how was she? Was it…hard for her? I mean I know it’s hard for everyone but she asked me to stop visiting quite early on. She told my stepmum it was too much for her and I never got to- Sorry I’m rambling.
(SANDRA): Don’t apologise. Look, your mum and I rarely got into the deeper stuff. We looked out for each other and we tried to keep each other in good spirits. I do know that she loved you very much. She kept a picture of you by her bed, and I know that when she spoke to your stepmum, she asked after you. I don’t have kids myself, but having family visit you inside can be as painful as it is necessary. Not everyone can hack it.
Thinking about that one post that’s like “rose claims to be a survivor and yet she calls ramcoa survivors delusional”
Let’s clear some things up
I was in a cult, if you’ve been here for a while you’d know that. It was called synanon if you want to know more about them you can look it up I don’t really want to get into it here.
I was also tortured both in this cult and after it once I got out when I was in juvenile detention for assaulting a cult higher up. You might be thinking to yourself “oh surely you weren’t tortured you’re just being dramatic” and to that I say go fuck yourself. I was secluded for the whole 4 weeks I was there (like secluded secluded no contact with anyone besides the same female guard), I was stripped of my clothing while in my cell (24/7) and forced to wear a Kevlar smock because I was on suicide watch because I had come from a “treatment program” (the cult), my food was regularly restricted if I didn’t comply with their searches of my person or cell, I was deprived of sleep and left in restraints for hours at a time. . . Alone . . . In a freezing all white room.
Also back to the delulu part, I understand that it offended some people and I will be removing it from my bio.
Just because I don’t use your term doesn’t mean you get to say that I’m just “claiming” to be a survivor. I am a very real survivor of organized / ritualistic abuse but I am not and never will be a ramcoa survivor.
Freedom felt so fuckin' good. It was his first time wearing anything other than a red jumpsuit for the last year (you know, the one that told anyone in the place that he was more dangerous than your average convict, the one that meant he had an escort everywhere he went, the one that gave him one measly hour of yard time a week) and just putting on his own clothes had him settling into his old self quite nicely. He hadn't told Olivia that he was going to be getting out today; he'd disappointed her enough already and his date had gotten moved back so many times that he didn't want to get her hopes up for nothing again. It gave him time to deal with his side of things before surprising her. After all, he missed his daughter more than life but he had responsibilities to the pack, to his brother. Plus, he had a feeling he needed to clean his house before bringing her home. "Been gone a year, who wants to bet that one of my idiots friends threw a party at my place and didn't bother to clean it for months?"