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INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE | THE VAMPIRE LESTAT — 1.07 “The Thing Lay Still” — 3.07 “The Failures”
armand + book descriptions
Idk Lestat, if clapping those cheeks was so mediocre, why’d you hit it in the wings? 😶 In the box?? 🤔 The Place Dauphine last Sunday?? 🫢 The Hotel de Ville on the Feast of Assumption?? 🧐 And the night after?? 🤨
More has happened in less than 40 pages in the book than in 7 episodes
Okay can we talk about the BOTCHED retcon of the train scene and why it doesn't work NARRATIVELY??
Yeah, so, here's what happened in s1:
Claudia is meeting with Louis in the park. She tells him she can't stand this anymore, she's going to leave, and she wants Louis to come with her. (Louis's direct POV)
Louis says he can't, wishes her well, and then sits on the park bench for the rest of the night seriously contemplating suicide. (Louis's direct POV)
Claudia disappears from the park, telling him she intended to leave that very night (Louis's POV)
Antoinette, who was already turned into a vampire, heard everything and reported back to Lestat (this is not known at this time, but is revealed later!!)
Claudia gets on the train and the train is leaving. (Claudia's diary)
Lestat finds her, scares the shit out of her, threatens to kill her, using the visceral reminder of her own rape to really drive home how dangerous and serious he is (Claudia's diary)
Louis finally decides not to kill himself, and comes back home. Upon returning to the house, he walks in to see a smug Lestat talking about how good it is that Claudia didn't decide to leave them after all because of the war in Europe (he's really laying it on thick). Claudia, in her traveling clothes, with her packed bags clearly on the floor, looks at Louis and Louis looks at her in a way that makes it clear to both of them this is not Claudia's choice, it is Lestat's doing (Louis's POV!! Not Claudia's diary!!)
Claudia figures out that Louis did not tell Lestat she was leaving, so the only way Lestat would know is if someone had been overhearing her and Louis originally talking in the park, and concludes that Antoinette is spying on them for Lestat (Only revealed later)
The tension in the house gets icier and more openly hostile. Claudia and Lestat are making little pretense at being a family again, Claudia is secretly using the mind gift that Lestat cannot hear, convincing Louis that they are trapped, and that they have to kill Lestat or they'll never be free of him. The implication is, again, that SHE WANTED TO LEAVE AND LESTAT REFUSED TO LET HER, AND KILLING HIM IS HER ONLY OPTION NOW (Again!! Louis's POV, NOT THE DIARY!!)
However, Claudia's plan to kill Lestat is both a genuine plan, and an intentional misdirect, because she knows that her and Louis's secret talks/plans are being spied on, likely by a now-vampiric Antoinette (not revealed until later)
As they scheme, and Claudia's schemes include an intentional misdirect, the unholy family pretend to set up their family "escape" from New Orleans via the Mardi Gras celebration/blowout massacre (Louis's POV, potentially corroborated by later entries in Claudia's diary)
Both factions have developed their own plans at this point: Claudia to get Antoinette to reveal herself/to kill Lestat by misdirection. Lestat to foil what he thinks is Claudia's plan, have Antoinette kill Claudia, and then he and Louis and Antoinette will sail off into the sunset together (Louis's POV, presumably corroborated by Claudia's diaries, and including the details of both schemes).
The night of the massacre comes, the showdown happens, Claudia's plan wins and Lestat loses, BECAUSE CLAUDIA KNEW THE WHOLE TIME THAT THEY WERE BEING SPIED ON. AND USED THAT TO HER ADVANTAGE. A thing she WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN IF LESTAT HAD NOT WAYLAID HER ON THE TRAIN, WHEN SHE WAS TRYING TO LEAVE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
The problem with trying to retcon the "rape" thing (besides the fact that the writers seem to have forgotten that Lestat USED a gross reference to Claudia's rape to unbalance and threaten her, but did NOT actually directly threaten to rape her himself), is that...?
In the order of operations we have been given, there's not really any other space for anything other than Lestat having done SOMETHING very fucked up and frightening to Claudia to make her return to New Orleans, when she was already leaving. Because she does return, packed bags and traveling clothes and all.
Additionally, the only reason we are ever told/shown Claudia suspected Antoinette's vampiric turning, to the point where she actively included it into her plans to kill Lestat, is BECAUSE Lestat showing up to get her on the train clues her into the fact that someone must've been spying on them.
In order to accept that Lestat didn't actually threaten Claudia in some dangerous and impressive way, whatever he may or may not have said being largely irrelevant, we have to then question the entirety of what happened (and what we're shown DIRECTLY THROUGH LOUIS'S OWN POV, not Claudia's diary!). About why the schemes against Lestat began developing in the first place (Claudia felt she could not leave or Lestat would kill her. Because he said he would. Which does not feel out of character, since... yknow. He had Antoinette spying on her. And then tries to make Antoinette MURDER HER. Again, this does not need to be explained through the diary, this is straight up Louis's own memories of the fight between him & Claudia vs Lestat & Antoinette.)
There is simply no need for this retcon at all, and retconning it makes the chronological timeline of the whole last few episodes of the show make no sense.
They're clearly doing this to try to exonerate Lestat.
But it's so stupid! Because it would make way more sense to simply say that Claudia's death made Lestat face some uncomfortable truths about the way he treated her and saw her, and about the way he treated Louis by extension.
God, they don't even have to mention the big scary R-word (racism) or the big other scary R-word (rape). If they either don't want to or if they were being hamstrung by the network.
It's even weirder to try to exonerate him now through retconning now, in this season. Because they've already made a huge point now to set up that
Lestat has weird issues re Gabriella always leaving him, which make him weird about other people he cares about leaving him. Then you can have him acknowledge and unpack that he's done horrible things to people with less power than he has who he nevertheless cares about, whenever he thinks they're going to leave him. And he should not have done that.
And also he minimizes the impact of sexual violence when it comes to other people. Because that's how he's coped with being a victim of sexual violence in his own life: minimization. And he shouldn't have done that either.
Boom, done. Problem solved. He is now your typical, traditional still cartoonishly fun vampire who's still got plenty of other problems to make him fun to watch. AND he has redeemed himself and made the audience even more sympathetic to him by having him acknowledge some of his flaws that he picked up through trauma and them did the old "repeating the cycle" deal onto his own fledglings. Which we all already know, because we watched him do it throughout the entirety of s1.
Is it the best they could do, when honoring the racial components set up in S1, no. Or telling a really rich, realistic story about the politics of sexual violence? Also no.
But it's safe. It's predictable. Fandoms will eat up "cycle of violence" shit. There will be a lot of discourse, probably, but most people who don't want to engage with it will just ignore it, or say it doesn't fit the show, blahblah.
But crucially! At least it's not... whatever the fuck we just got with the Claudia scene. And the million uncalled for and narratively/characteristically irrelevant racial language. And the "Louis is somehow nebulously, equally bad, actually" framing. And the whole "teenage Black girl made up a rape accusation against a white man" thing.
Especially when, as a retcon, it literally solves none of your narrative problems.
And in fact, now has created a whole bunch more!!!!!
Helen of Troy Louis expectations: he’s so sexy they’re all ready to go to war for him
Helen of Troy Louis reality: any of these men’s hideous actions is actually Louis’s fault
a part of adult life you never really realize as a child is the constant need for bowls in so many different sizes. you're always doing something and going "man i wish i had the right size bowl for this" no matter how many bowl sizes you have
“justice for antoinette”. season 1 lestat would never talk himself outta some louis pussy like that. what a fucking goober
Also what happened to “a first love, not a great love” thread that was never picked up again?
I Believe "The Failures" Framing Device was Added After the Season was Filmed
I don't have proof of this, someone on the writing team could disprove this, I am saying what I saw in the season:
The framing device of "The Failures" was probably written in late 2025 after initial negative feedback on the season from producers or the network, who did not understand what was happening in the show and demanded a fix. It required limited reshoots to incorporate, allowed the editors to heavily recut previously written sequences to incorporate it, cut down on elements they thought weren't working, and increase the elements they thought were working.
This is value-neutral on whether or not you liked the season or the voiceover. You'll probably pick up on my feelings on both along the way.
(I tried to spoiler tag this correctly, but fyi, this spoils E7)
Point One: So much stock footage.
The overwhelming majority of the voiceover in The Vampire Lestat is played over stock footage, clips from prior seasons, or b-roll. This is not the way a voiceover is traditionally written into a script; for a good example of a traditional voiceover, see the first two seasons of Interview with the Vampire. The voiceover transitions us between scenes or is given actual sequences, longer shots, directly related to what we are hearing, to play over.
"He was in love with my city." We see them in New Orleans. "Lestat had disappeared," and we see the start of a scene of him trying to apologize. This isn't random footage, this is filmed intentionally.
There is an absurd amount of stock footage and season one and two footage being played over voiceover in this season. Several voiceover sequences include no footage we have a reason to think was specifically for this season at all.
Look at the lead in to the strip club scene in episode two: greenscreen + stock footage (likely filmed for the original scene transition), stock footage, b-roll insert:
The opening of episode four: stock footage, b-roll, footage from a prior episode that is unrelated to this sequence:
Is using stock footage or b-roll or reusing footage from prior episodes inherently bad or inherently a sign that the voiceover was added later? I'm not saying that, and don't accuse me of saying that. Stock footage is a normal tool, you film b-roll to use it.
But when a giant proportion of the voiceover is only over sequences like this, I wonder if the editors are having to create visuals for something that wasn't planned when the show was filmed, especially because:
Point Two: The transitions in and out of the flashbacks are filmed as if there wasn't originally a voiceover there.
Here is an extremely common piece of film grammar for a flashback with no voiceover, demonstrated in season one: a character goes to sleep, crossfade into a flashback, wakes up. We don't need a voiceover here because the language is easy to understand. He's falling asleep? People dream about the past sometimes. He's waking up? He was dreaming about the past and is now awake. They're both common transitions between flashbacks and a frame story.
You actually only need one of the two: the transition out in this example is just an additional moment for the Armand reveal to sink in. Especially if it's a natural edit break, (or, let's say, the beginning of an episode?) you only need one device to justify a flashback.
So it's really interesting that The Vampire Lestat, which has a voiceover as a conceit throughout, uses so many other traditional flashback transitions for scenes from Lestat's POV, almost as though the writers needed to justify why we are seeing the flashbacks in a version of the script that didn't have a voiceover framing device for Lestat.
Why does he need to tell us he's going into a flashback in a voiceover (over stock footage) if we're going to see him wake up from having remembered this in a dream afterwards?
Why do we have multiple framing devices to allow him to give us voiceover within the tour framing device? Why is he telling us that he told someone else a story as a pretext to tell it?
There is nothing wrong with using multiple ways to get in and out of flashbacks- but this season uses a lot. In my example from season one, there is a simple reason we can't use the main one we've been using: Daniel is not a POV character, so to see inside of his POV, we need a different device.
All of these flashbacks are meant to be Lestat. If you think about what he is telling us on The Failures, he... needs to explain his mom and then he woke up? He talked to Daniel about Nicki and then told the listener, about Nicki in a fragmented way at that time? He's telling us about how he was attacked by Akasha, but really needed to get back to how his band was bad, and then remembered he needed to tell us the rest of that story when he was telling it to the band? Huh?
To be honest: there isn't really a flashback I can identify where the voiceover is required at all.
Point Three: Style and substance.
If the voiceover was always intended, you would expect it to serve a function within the show, give us information we can't get anywhere else, motivate editing choices, etc. Here is a challenge: watch any sequence with significant voiceover and think about the information you got from it. Then, within the next ten minutes of the same episode, see if there is anything the voiceover told you that they didn't almost immediately tell you again with either visuals or dialogue giving you identical information.
Almost all of the voiceover could be removed and leave the audience with the exact same amount of understanding or confusion as they would have with it.
Example from episode four:
The Voiceover: "It can grind you down or deliver you home. And which would it be for our Marginal Mystery Tour back in the bosom of the nifty 50 United States? Digitally, there was some optimism, as somewhere between the P Diddler and Chipotle's new Adobo Ranch sauce, The Vampire Lestat found itself momentarily trending. Cell phone footage of yours truly went viral as both irrefutable proof of the cloud gift and deepfake Antichrist."
In the framing device, Lestat is told by Christine that a major investor wants to talk to him. In the next scene where the band's popularity is relevant, twenty minutes later, the investor says to Lestat:
Andrew: "I didn't know you were alive three days ago. I watched the video. Did a deep dive on the band, the Beautiful Unwell, flew here to Albany, playing "Long Face,". "Plastic Fiends," and "Loneliness" in a loop on my Beats. Saw the show. It's impossible. Saw the fans waiting outside the hotel. Impossible. I saw the protesters outside the hotel. Impossible."
Seems like we'd have been able to figure out the band went viral from a levitation video that seems impossible.
If it's not giving us a lot of new information, then it could be mostly a stylistic choice: It is a stylistic choice. It's one they likely added afterwards. Deciding on the season was chaotic, and making it more stylistically chaotic by including the voiceover and re-edit made it easier to fix the problem they were trying to fix.
It's especially obvious because the episode that feels the most like the prior seasons, episode six, is the one with the least voiceover. Probably because we are watching something pretty similar to what they thought the episode was when they filmed it.
And I just got to put this out there: re-cutting your project to stylize it to make room for a voiceover you need to include because no one understands the narrative as you filmed it with the footage you have was a literal running joke among my cohort in film school.
It doesn't say anything about how the original scripts looked. I used to put a lot of badly color-balanced footage in black-and-white as a "stylistic choice" in high school, too.
Point Four: The voiceover ruins plot points that were meant to be shocking.
Why do you behead a character at the end of an episode? So the audience is shocked and has to wait until next week to see what the outcome of that character being beheaded is.
That really doesn't work if that character is doing an omniscient voiceover we know is in the future.
"Do you think we're really meant to think they're dead?" No, I don't think the users of Tumblr.com the website are meant to think he's dead; I think a random person who doesn't use Tumblr is supposed to argue with their spouse after the episode ends about whether or not he's dead. That's why you do things like this!
You don't fakeout kill a character we know from earlier this same episode isn't dead, because it doesn't mean anything.
This one is more of a broad swing of a theory and assumes they did some fairly significant re-edits to move reveals around, but I also don't think we're supposed to know that Gabriella is his mom by the end of episode one, because they even lampshade how this isn't a good reveal.
If this is true, I don't know when we would have learned about who Gabriella is. I assume it would have been in episode two, because we have to know she's his mother from the flashbacks.
A plausible idea is that the actual kiss there was either from a re-shoot or filmed as an option they could use or not use: after this makeout scene, there is a lot of dialogue in the next episode which could have been planned as a "are they?? are they not??" about the nature of their relationship.
Given this conversation in episode two, it still wouldn't have been ambiguous at all, so it would have been a bad writing choice to assume the audience had any doubt here. Then again, we're talking about fucking Gabriella on The Vampire Lestat, so I'm not assuming a choice being really stupid rules it out as something they were trying to do.
They spent so much of this season on the shocking reveal that Lestat is fucking his mom; it's information we get in the form of a reveal like four times, and then the voiceover adds even more.
Guys... I think there might be incest in this show? Not sure.
It's such a huge element that keeps giving us the same information at the same level of detail, without a twist, without a recontextualization, that I have to entertain the possibility that they decided to make it... more significant later in the process? That's a terrible thought.
Point Five: The way book references are used is really weird.
This adaptation is not made for people with an encyclopedic knowledge of The Vampire Chronicles. As one of those people, I feel comfortable saying this, but also because that's not a market you can sell a show to, because it's too small. Seasons one and two mostly knew that, the Armand reveal being the big exception. The scenes we are watching that aren't voiceover mostly know that.
The way the show deploys book references in the voiceover is really weird.
We know there was a writer's assistant (if you see this: congrats, holy shit, that's a hell of a break, genuinely; also, if I am 100% wrong here and you know, that's hilarious) checking the books for information. I'm not naming them because people are being rude to them about the season (don't do that), but they mentioned this being something they did:
That's a real detail the show gets right: in episode six, at least a lot of the fake names we see are real aliases from the books! It stands out to me, then, that one of the biggest total book-niche fun fact blunders is in the voiceover:
"Picture my five dead siblings, Aristide, Marie, Jules, unbaptized, and Faustin, garden gnomes guarding the undulating domestic bliss of our great hall."
People have mentioned this a lot already, but if you don't know, from Blackwood Farm, Lestat's brother's initials are L-E-S-T-A-T:
"The name [Lestat is] compounded of the first letter of each of my six older brothers’ names."
That isn't proof of anything; it's just interesting to me. It's almost like the voiceover was written after the writers' room was dismissed, when there wasn't someone whose job it was to look up these things anymore. Huh.
It's also very strange to me what level the voiceover thinks you are supposed to be familiar with the books, in comparison to how much they are changing from them.
The show starts with a voiceover that assumes you are familiar with the plot of The Queen of the Damned.
"And I am not saying that the attempted extinction of the Y chromosome across the continents was all my fault."
And in one of the two scenes actually shot in the framing device, we get a shot that assumes you've read The Tale of the Body Thief?
These aren't Easter Eggs- well, they're not good Easter Eggs. Eh, I'll give you the Raglan one if you argue with me.
These are real pieces of information that it's extremely odd to expect some of the audience to know nothing whatsoever about, and others to understand completely. Usually, an adaptation is a different experience if you know the source material or don't, but not on the level of making or not making sense. It's kind of like they want you, when you Google what is happening, to find out the plots of these books via something like The Vampire Chronicles Wiki.
What these references all do is serve an extremely specific function: telling a general audience, if they Google it, that a plot is coming.
I wonder why they felt the need to add a voiceover to clarify that.
Point Six: Episode Seven, The Failures.
I suspected a lot of what I said above from episode one on, and was basically certain from the flashbacks in episode two. I didn't know why they did this exactly, but it explained a lot of what felt odd about the editing.
I figured it was probably a logic issue: something about the show was too vague, and people didn't understand what was happening, so they added the voiceover. It would make sense since a lot of it felt vague even with the voiceover. Maybe the logic issue was caused by something else: maybe something experimental they tried in the script, like more of the "long table," really didn't come across at all on screen; maybe a story element looked or just came across really bad, and they had to cut down on the amount it was shown and fill in the gaps; maybe a block of filming got cut or rushed and they didn't get enough footage.
I don't think I guessed that the logic issue of the season was going to be that the last episode just randomly ends mid-scene with no resolution of any storyline whatsover?
I would love to know what on earth was originally scripted to be the end of season three. Did they write the ending from the book and find out late in the game they couldn't afford to film it? Did they film it, and something was horribly wrong with it? Did they write an eighth episode, only get greenlit for seven, and not rearrange the season at all?
I mean, I can't imagine someone was like, "yep, that's a good way to end a season of television. The people will love that!" Genuinely. For real. I don't think someone said that!
People who know the truth can prove me wrong: send me the teleplays and I'll believe you. Otherwise:
The Vampire Lestat's framing device The Failures, and potentially other significant elements of the season, are a result of significant rework because the season as originally intended was not deemed acceptable to air, possibly because they didn't actually film the originally intended conclusion.
-and if I'm right, I want Mark Johnson to give me a two-year option on the rights to Blackwood Farm for $1 as payment for my suffering.
Everything dies. You die. I die. She dies.
Can’t even enjoy “love of my life was him” because of the lack of build up throughout the season. SOS
goo goo dolls if they were in dune: and i don’t want the worm to see me
girl vampires are so cool we need more girl vampires in general
and like. girl vampires who are given the same kind of depth as male vampires of reconciling their own monstrous desires with how human they still are or not. and not like. vapid sexy temptresses or whatever. they have their time and place but i want a girl vampire desperately gripping the sink looking into the mirror just to see what isnt there anymore
The nice thing about this heatwave is that you get to feel like Gilgamesh, prince of Uruk and contemplator of the deep, lost and grieving in the sun-lacerated deserts of bronze age Mesopotamia whilst you're getting the shopping from your local Aldi.
look i knowwww this will make me sound like a pretentious asshole, but art and culture literally make you a better and more interesting person. im not exaggerating. you need to pick up some highfalutin classic literature or watch some experimental auteur films every now and then to gain some scope and perspective about the world around you. cultivate curiosity! this can help you in many ways☝
i think it's funny and tragic that both the acting and the beauty of the writing are still incredibly strong in IWTV. it's truly such a shame. jacob is a generational talent. sam is possessed. their coupled chemistry could power a small city. assad brings truth to every single line he is given (no matter how baffling). delainey comes on like a hurricane in every scene she's in. eric has better suggestions for daniel than what they're even willing to give him. and the words the writers choose are SO BEAUTIFUL still, when they don't choose to talk about Labubu Swiftie Noob Czechstat Bottom Gamergate Gooning. it's just the pacing, the storylines they choose are INSANE.
The IWTV we knew is still there somewhere.