The Salt Mines

[tortoisesensei]

Commission for RewsteroftheFalls.

[tortoisesensei]

AS-styled bump made for fun.

[siryouarebeingmocked]

The Social Commentary™ about cops would work better if it wasn’t factually wrong.

In the event in question, some kid was literally sitting in public with a realistic pellet gun, and pointing it at people.

Somehow, that got turned into a “playing with a toy gun” when people wanted to get angry. I once argued with someone who insisted it was a “toy gun” even after I corrected her. It’s literally illegal to make toy guns without an orange tip or fully brightly colored.

And this comic’s writer turned it into a “squirt gun”.

Also, the cop who shot the actual kid got fired. He was charged, tried and acquitted. He couldn’t even get hired in a small town in another state before the public outcry lost him the job. The Justice Department investigated. 

The system didn’t just call for more training.

I’ve yet to see a single person explain how a cop was supposed to tell the difference between the realistic pellet gun on the top and the real one on the bottom. The best they could do is “well, the 911 caller said it might be a toy gun!”

Keep reading

[kaitrokowski]

“Steve Carell, Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert: How men would look if they had to pose in ads the way women are expected to.”

[cheshireinthemiddle]

Notice that these men are not in “sexy” poses. Their legs arent spread, their butts arent presented, their breasts arent pushed together.

But theyre definitely being sexualized and objectified. Yes, even the minor in the middle.

Just because men and women arent ogled in the same way doesnt mean they arent being ogled.

If youre so willing to ignore or excuse when women do it to men then you dont actually care about victims or the issue itself. You care about women. There’s a difference.

[animentality]

[cheshireinthemiddle]

So anyway, assaulting people over mere words is just that. Assault. You're not a hero. You're forcing your thought policing views on others using the threat of violence.

Which you think actually changes minds? Like a bigot assaulting you would make you agree with them?

Pot calling the kettle fascist.

Edit: But on the topic of Nazi Germany, Nazis only gained power because they portrayed the Jews as oppressors who were to blame for all of their problems and undeserving were of sympathy. Another thing the "punch a nazi" crowd is known for doing to groups for how they were born.

[siryouarebeingmocked]

Not just assault, terrorism.

Also, both the Nazis and the Italian fascists dressed up in colored shirts and physically attacked political enemies. And German’s antifa tried to do the same, and it didn’t work.

So, OP, are you endorsing killing anyone who’s a Nazi? 

Because if you’re likening yourself to soldiers who fought a war, that’s what it’s gonna take.

[beardedmrbean]

The nazis and the german antifa were just fighting over which brand of fascism they wanted, oddly enough antifa won and a a prize they got the eastern bloc full of soviet puppet states and secret police that drag you off to god knows where in the middle of the night because your kid turned you in to the stasi in exchange for a new pair of shoes. But it totally wasn't fascism because fascism is what other people do not them. Their secret police and state sanctioned executions were totally different since they were Democratic in East Germany, even says so in their official name of the Democratic German Republic. Which is also how you know it wasn't real communism™.

[oddlysexypancake]

Am I Reading this right?

Don’t beat the nazi?

Don’t protect yourself and others from people preaching harmful and dangerous rhetoric?

i don’t know folks I think you’re falling into the “sitting on the bench and ignoring Jew neighbor getting beat up on the street so I also don’t get beat up” category

[generallemarc]

Yes, you are reading "don't attack people you label as Nazis, especially because that word now applies to anyone someone doesn't like" correctly. I'm not sure how you got "ignore physical violence committed against others" from "don't commit physical violence over speech" though.

[oddlysexypancake]

The only people labeling people as nazis based on some random spin of the wheel or however you assume it happens are complete idiots, 99% of people can accurately describe to you what a nazi is.

no one is actually comparing “i dont like you” to “you are scum of the earth”. NO ONE

[generallemarc]

I've been called a Nazi for saying things such as "discrimination is wrong". @siryouarebeingmocked has been called a Nazi for similar reasons. In the modern world where every side calls every other side a Nazi, if you don't see the potential for how bad "we should attack everyone we label as a Nazi" is then you're being wilfully blind.

[tortoisesensei]

I’ve been called a Nazi for saying bestiality is fucking disgusting.

[sirartwork]

Turns out loving your “work” is a far cry from loving your industry.  Who knew?

Anyway look out for my new show, coming to a streaming platform near you where it will be buried under a monsoon of nigh-identical dogshit

[sirartwork]

*whoosh

[siryouarebeingmocked]

I love how they do logical contortions to dodge the idea that these shows are pushed by people who are sincerely progressive. I know “Gingerhaze” Stevenson was very progressive on tumblr for years before She-Ra:POP. 

 This is like the “not real communism if it failed” cope.

[feminismisstillahatemovement]

[unaffiliatedpangolin]

Also if there was all this white privilege helping them get into college why wouldn’t the non white students just lie and say they were white?

Play the system don’t let the system play you.

[beardedmrbean]

He deleted this tweet very rapidly after people started pointing out that this was evidence that 'white privilege' was a lie. Which in turn means he knows it's a lie too, or he wouldn't have deleted it.

[siryouarebeingmocked]

Considering that he whined about "disinformation operatives" and did a 14-tweet thread about it, I think he just realized he lost control of the Narrative.

[thoughtportal]

[qwertyu858]

The real villian in this life, the town baker

[direwolf-distributor]

“How dare you feed your family by selling bread instead of stealing it?”

[ricwulf-banned]

To actually answer the dimwit: because then the discussion quickly turns to the ideas about entitlement to the labour of others. There can be a discussion that it would be unethical to sell bread while people starve, but then you also need to ask the question as to whether that changes anything about the ethicality of theft.

Or in other words, it all goes back to “does two wrongs make a right”, which is pretty funny because most people figured this shit out as a toddler (hint: the answer is no, two wrongs do not in fact make a right).

[victorlincolnpine]

if someone has food, and your family does not, rendering theft the only way you and your family can eat, then theft is not wrong, but necessary

withholding food till people starve to death is wrong

it boils down to what happens if the person *does not* steal

[newplayingsmash]

“The only ones that should starve to death is the family of the guy who made the bread”

-victorlincolnpie

[victorlincolnpine]

“I love putting words into people’s mouths. Makes me aroused.”

-newplayingsmash

[newplayingsmash]

It’s not putting words in anyone’s mouth when that’s exactly what you said.

[victorlincolnpine]

doubling down does not make you right, it makes you repetitive

[newplayingsmash]

No, doubling down doesn’t make me right.

Being right is what makes me right.

You’re here advocating taking the livelihood of other people for yours and saying that it is moral.

So, tell me, at what point does taking the work of others stop being moral?

[victorlincolnpine]

Ya’ll really like to portray the bread seller as the victim and the person relegated to theft for the sake of survival as a big bad meanie (and sometimes fucking slaver for some fucking reason).

To justify your worldview, you take a common, distressing reality of someone being at their last straw and needing to eat so badly that the law is thrown to the wayside, and portray that person as doing this for the sake of sadism or greed.

I wonder if this imaginary hoodlum of yours who takes bread cause they’re greedy is wearing a black and white striped shirt and a mask and carrying a revolver. Maybe says “nyeh, gimme the dough!” while they steal the bread.

[newplayingsmash]

And meanwhile, you want to portray the guy who sells the bread as a big evil villain akin to a saturday morning cartoon who lives in a mansion made out of bread and laughs as he watches orphans die while he marinates his bread in kitten blood, so…

[victorlincolnpine]

The guy who’s selling the bread is a regional manager for Walmart who’s paycheck wouldn’t see a dent if someone stole a loaf of bread.

The guy that owns the franchise itself is off on vacation, reaping the rewards of the automatic machine they’ve built, and could not care less what actually happens.

And the bread being stolen? That’s going to sit there and then be thrown into a dumpster for a tax write off. Again, without a single note from either the guy selling the bread or the one that actually owns the store.

The locked vault with the food automatically locks at 9pm and opens again at 4am so folks can come in and labor for the right to have some of the food in the vault.

The reality is apathy. But you don’t want to know that.

[silent-calling]

A: regional managers lose their job if the store costs more money than it takes in. If the store exclusively runs at a deficit it will close, because they don’t have the means of sustaining themselves. This is true of chain franchises and small local businesses one and the same - if there is no sustainability, it will collapse. Congratulations, you have now expanded the group of impoverished and eliminated the source of bread.

B: foodstuffs is by no means the most stolen good.

C: the “machine” isn’t automatic.

D: that food that gets thrown out could cause illness. It’s not thrown out simply because it wasn’t sold, and whatever write-off might be received does not negate the loss of resources.

D: the “vault” is a place for keeping goods safe, so they might be distributed later. The people who come there to “earn the right” are exchanging their time for goods they would not have the capability to make on their own, due to resource constraints, knowledge, tool availability, or any combination thereof.

[gsirvitor]

I think it’s hilarious how commies believe a boss isn’t entitled to the fruits of his employees labor but then also believe that people are entitled to the fruits of others labor if they have something they want.

[silent-calling]

It’s sick they fail to recognize the incongruence of their own stance. If nobody but the worker is entitled to the fruits of their labor, how do they justify taking the fruits from someone else ever? Is it because they simply believe the person with the fruits just happen to steal it first? Where’s the proof of this?

[siryouarebeingmocked]

In another post, Vic claims that capitalism is, quote, “an overwhelmingly massive money-game who’s rules change based on the whim of who’s winning it, and those rules always make sure the winner keeps winning.”

I get the impression that she’s projecting her own approach to debate and morality.

Also, I’m pretty sure economics aren’t Calvinball.

[johnnytortuga]

I’m beginning to believe that all socialist thought springs from the ego trying to pacify the id. They want bread but, they need to justify taking it so, they moralize their own avarice by exploiting the poor. You never hear of roving bands of socialists stealing bread to give to the poor. Their practical philosophy on theft is much like that of what they accuse “conservatives” of doing but, instead of “go get a job”, it’s “go steal it yourself”. The first encourages people to act morally, respecting the rights of others while respecting oneself. The second encourages the “entitlement” characteristics in people; devoid of morality or respect for oneself, or those around them.

Socialists never get enough of the things they want; property, money, possessions… they always want more. They are perfectly willing to dole out shares of other people’s belongings, as long as they get a little bit too, on top of what they already have. Like children, told to share a candy bar they’ve been given, you can bet the socialist will always angle for the larger piece.

[siryouarebeingmocked]

I feel like it’s childish thinking. “I want = I should have”, and everything on top of that is just marzipan.

[amkrii]

It certainly is. My daughter wanted this stupid little cheap plastic doll and tried to shove it in her pocket to steal it but found out real quick neither her mother or I will play that game, she was marched back in the store and made to return it. What’s she not done since? Steal.

Yet we have grown ass adults who cannot figure out that just because they have the audacity to breathe doesn’t mean they have a right to other people’s property. If you can’t afford the bread or something else then that’s a you problem, folks. Go figure your shit out and stop playing the victim.

[ekansbot]

People on tumblr dot com having these hypothetical arguments always makes me laugh bc chances are the “charging money for food when people are hungry is wrong!” people live in a country that has a capitalist economy yet also has the very socialist concept of a wide range of social services that are there to ensure people do not become so hungry and desperate the resort to stealing. Like CVS isn’t locking up bread bruh, lol, they’re locking up the expensive shit like plan B, deodorant, oh and I saw one one on the upper east side in nyc, I think, locked up the ICE CREAM, which is also not smth you’re going to steal if you’re so hungry you’re driven to crime.

Like maybe get off tumblr dot com and do something to affect real change in very poor, very politically corrupt countries, where people truly are driven to stealing basic necessities (or making the awful decision to sell their bodies to get money for those necessities)

[foxwin]

[chamomile-cannonball]

Because you’re in a European-style church, yo. Christian art depeicts Jesus and the other Biblical figures as whatever the race of the artist/region is. Don’t believe me?

Here’s a Chinese painting of the Baptism of Christ:

Here is a Native American painting of the Nativity:

Here’s a painting of Jesus giving a sermon by a Kenyan artist:

And, lastly, here’s a European painting of Jesus healing the blind:

If you live in a country or region where the culture is primarily European, expect to have that reflected in the art you see.

[official-ginger-kid]

I love this post.

[culturevulturette]

This, plus and inclusion of who was and is doing the selling as well as the buying.  

In other words, the whole truth of this stain on humanity, not the convenient cherry-picked aspects of it helpful to building a particular narrative.  

[cheshireinthemiddle]

Yup. Alot of the people claiming white slaveowners arent being discussed enough think Europeans just threw fishing nets out to capture Africans to enslave, fully unaware of where those slaves actually came from.

Or they know and want to avoid the discussion

[siryouarebeingmocked]

I didn’t learn about that until I was an adult in college, reading a comedy novel that mocked the idea of nets, and I’m from a black majority country.

I suppose I could check my old schoolbooks, but they’re on the other side of the Atlantic right now.

[brazenautomaton]

honestly the more you talk about how important it is to be “anti-fascist” the less I trust you and this is why

fascism is a mostly-incoherent jumble of terrible emotive ideas and anti-fascists basically have no idea what any of them are. to them “fascism” means “things that are bad” which means “things that are not my politics.”

“fascism” in art is a shortcut for “evil bad guys, I don’t need to go into detail about how and why, we all agree they’re bad” it’s not a political statement it’s not an analysis of fascism it’s not an argument against fascism, fascism is incoherent, it’s just drawing on the knowledge that we all know fascism is bad

AoT is one of the few pieces of media I can think of that is anti-fascist in any substantive way: it presents the beliefs that underlie fascism, and shows how ruinously tragically horrifically wrong they are and the destruction they cause. It’s not saying “things that have the name fascism are bad, I am so smart and good for opposing things that I attached the name fascism to.” it’s saying “whatever you call it, this is what happens when people actually have and act on these beliefs; shit’s pretty fucked.”

and the property of actually being substantively anti-fascist, actually addressing it and what it is and why and from where it comes, is enough to make all these people agree “oh yeah this story is totally fascist.”

if someone makes a huge deal about how they are anti-child molestation and have to tirelessly fight against child molestation and oppose sinister pro-molestation forces, then that tells you they don’t care about children nearly as much as they want to hurt and control others. if someone makes a huge deal about avoiding fascist art and fascist messages and the rising tide of fascism, that tells you they’re upset that people make art for reasons other than telling them how smart and right they are.

[generallemarc]

AoT is one of those few pieces of anti-fascist media because it is literally an anime reimagining of (parts of) the political world of the 1930s and 1940s, with the Marleyan regime being the clear stand-ins for Hitler and friends. It’s not a historical allegory, it’s a cover. As in, a song cover. Different storyteller, same story. 

[inthescreen]

[meandmybigmouth]

[association-of-freed-people]

A man can’t get pregnant.

Feel free to add additional truths.

[traveller535]

Seth Rich was not mugged

[genx-in-la]

Neither of you know what the fuck you’re talking about most of the time

[association-of-freed-people]

The Pfizer jab does not prevent transmission or provide inoculation from Covid.

[genx-in-la]

See? It’s like Assocciation of Sad Clowns WANTS people to know what a dumbass he is, given the covid jab IS the fucking inoculation. But then again he thinks there’s a big dictionary conspiracy so

[association-of-freed-people]

John Fetterman is brain damaged.

[genx-in-la]

Now THIS may be something about which you have a certain amount of expertise.

That said, I will take a man recovering from a stroke over Dr “Pennsylvania Has A Beach” Oz any day.

[association-of-freed-people]

Inflation wasn’t transitory.

[genx-in-la]

Have we reached the end times, then? At least that means you’ll be in hell soon, so I guess I can’t complain too much.

[association-of-freed-people]

Corporate media and tech giants suppressed the Hunter Biden laptop story in the 2020 election cycle and persecuted anyone who mentioned or attempted to publish information on it.

[genx-in-la]

Persecuted, huh? One example.

[association-of-freed-people]

Jack Dorsey says the New York Post Twitter account will remain locked until it deletes the original tweet featuring its Hunter Biden story

Dorsey spoke during a committee hearing on Section 230, the law that states tech firms cannot be held liable for content published on their

Joe Biden plagiarized RFK.

[genx-in-la]

Oh of course. We were talking about the snowflake pussy version of “persecuted”! My bad.

[association-of-freed-people]

Hillary Clinton was the darling of corporate America and transnational finance in 2016

[genx-in-la]

Your definition of “corporate” and “transnational” and “finance” is weird, and of course, this totally lacks context, but - ok - what’s your point? Everyone with a brain thought Trump was a loser?

[association-of-freed-people]

Joe Biden was also the candidate of corporatists, transnational finance and hedge funds.

[genx-in-la]

I mean - literally everything you post is, at best, a half-truth. But even if this was an accurate representation of the facts, the world was ready for stability after the whiny drama queen baby that was Trump as President.

[association-of-freed-people]

Hillary Clinton claimed the 2016 presidential election was stolen.

[genx-in-la]

But let’s start here:

Factbox: Key findings from Senate inquiry into Russian interference in 2016 U.S. election

t - Below are key findings of the U.S. Senate intelligence committee's final report released on Tuesday about Russian efforts to influence t

[genx-in-la]

@association-of-freed-people

And move on to this next

Fact-check: Did Democrats suggest 2016 presidential election was stolen?

Many prominent Democrats say Donald Trump's win in the 2016 presidential election was tainted.

[association-of-freed-people]

'You can have the election stolen from you,' Hillary Clinton warns 2020 Democrats

"You can run the best campaign, you can even become the nominee, and you can have the election stolen from you," Hillary Clinton said Saturd

Paul Pelosi opened the door for police

[genx-in-la]

She’s right

And are you referring to the story NBC pulled for bad reporting, you absolute shitstain on humanity’s ass?

And you know what my favorite thing about all this is? You just post lies, I do the work of refuting it, and you can’t even respond. You just fling more shit. Typical lazy MAGAT welfare queen making everyone else do your work.

[association-of-freed-people]

Stacy Abrams denied her election loss in the Ga Governors race and never conceded.

[genx-in-la]

Awww. Does that make you sad, shit-flinger?

[genx-in-la]

To everyone that follows @association-of-freed-people - please take note he has not been able to back up one of his lies or theories. Not one. Please - DO NOT listen to his horseshit - as I said and now I’ve shown - he has no fucking clue what he’s talking about. He just regurgitates the nonsense spewed by people that are smarter than him solely in the sense that they have the imagination to make the shit up in the first place.

[association-of-freed-people]

Benito Mussolini was named after leftist Mexican President Benito Juárez. His two middle names, Amilcare and Andrea, came from Italian socialists Amilcare Cipriani and Andrea Costa. Mussolini was an avowed marxist and editor of the official daily newspaper of the Italian socialist party, Avanti!, from 1912 to 1914.

[genx-in-la]

Wow!!! You can copy from Wikipedia!!

[association-of-freed-people]

The 2016 DNC primary was rigged for Hillary Clinton

Donna Brazile, as chair of the DNC, fed confidential debate questions to the Clinton campaign ahead of the primary debate hosted by CNN, her former employer.

Julian Assange is a political prisoner and a hero of international importance.

[genx-in-la]

Explain how it was rigged.

(I’ll bet you didn’t even know that political parties can fucking pull a name out of a hat to choose a nominee if they wanted to?)

So sad Assange is a whiny loser rotting in jail. Maybe he’ll send you a signed picture you can masturbate to?

[association-of-freed-people]

On august 25th, 2020, during leftist riots in Kenosha, Wisconsin, Kyle Rittenhouse killed a convicted pedo named Joseph Rosenbaum and a domestic abuser named Anthony Huber in self defense after both attempted to physically assault him before blowing the arm off convicted burglar, Gaige Grosskreutz, who was attempting to murder young Kyle with a pistol he possessed illegally.

[genx-in-la]

So you’re implying that Kyle Cryingface knew them beforehand and premeditated their murders? #yikes.

[association-of-freed-people]

Ghislaine Maxwell was convicted of human trafficking to no one.

[genx-in-la]

This is actually getting comical, Monkey McShitthrower.

[association-of-freed-people]

On July 20, 1993 Vince Foster died under mysterious circumstances.

[grayheartart]

The “implying” here is being done by misinformation disseminator @genx-in-la

Rittenhouse did not know his attackers beforehand, so could not have premeditated their murders. Genx is a shit flinging lizard brained left winger.

@association-of-freed-people is factually correct.

[genx-in-la]

So then why would their past histories be relevant?

[grayheartart]

Relevant in what context?

[genx-in-la]

Ask Association Of Stupid People. He’s the one that brought it up.

[grayheartart]

The only thing @association-of-freed-people has done is recite facts of a news worthy event.

They didn’t imply anyone had any before hand knowledge, they didn’t imply any premeditation.

That was you. Answer the question, relevant in what context?

[genx-in-la]

I’ll type it louder - you’d have to ask Association of Assclowns since he’s the one that felt it relevant enough to mention.

[grayheartart]

^ that subject was already addressed.

You are the one that claimed their reciting implied beforehand knowledge and premeditation.

You are the one who asked:

now you are being asked

Relevant in what context?

Come on, ubermench. Wow me with that super duper intellect you pretend to have.

[genx-in-la]

To do that I’d have to know you could understand in the first place, but since you still seem to be struggling after multiple explanations, I think you can tease it out for yourself eventually. Just sit with the question for a bit.

[grayheartart]

Or, more likely, you’re just a coward.

It’s okay. You vote Democrat. I didn’t expect much from you at the start. 😘

[genx-in-la]

Oh wow. Dunning Kruger is hard at work with you. Why are you finding this so difficult to understand?

I’ll try to dumb this down since I’ve basically said it like 5 times (as did @strapped-kirby like 7 posts ago).

I assume Association of Sad Children was trying to make Kylee McSadface sound like a hero by, among other things, noting that some of the people he killed had unsavory pasts (probably not true but that goes without saying with you people). Why? Who knows? I’m not in Association’s demented head. But the problem with that angle is - to be that hero Kyle McIncel would have had to know them beforehand, which in turn would point to premeditated murder. Otherwise he’s still just some piece of shit loser that had no idea who he was killing and thus whatever bad acts were in the victims’ past are totally irrelevent to this story. So I will say again, only Assclown knows the context he was going for, but it doesn’t help Kyle McSadface look any better either way.

[grayheartart]

So, you admit that you assume the intention of @association-of-freed-people during their factual recitation of a newsworthy event and have nothing to back up that assumption.

Also, even if Rittenhouse knew who your favorite child rapist was beforehand that doesn’t point to “premeditated murder” because your favorite child rapist wasn’t shot for being a child rapist.

Again, as I explained to your bestie @strapped-kirby, you and the rest of your stupid fucking ilk don’t have the right to dictate what people want to bring up in the public discourse.

Pot, meet kettle.

[association-of-freed-people]

Friend, this is a post about truths and factual information.

Nothing else.

Do not deviate into debating strawmen.

The fact that a minor was forced to kill two convicted predators attempting to assault him in the midst of a leftist riot speaks to the character of the participants in said riots, full stop.

Please stay focused on truths if you would like to participate in this post.

Thank you.

[tortoisesensei]

This thread is awesome.

[karlton-margus-deactivated20230]

Why do conservatives arguments boil down to accusing people of being afraid of the big scawy gun and not that we want to stop people from dying?

[hostis-the-white-wizard]

Because you’re too stupid to even be capable of this discussion?

I mean first off, I get that you’re a milquetoast run of the mill prog but not everyone who questions you is a conservative, lol there are plenty of far left ideologies that also reject gun control. There are anti authoritarian ideologies that aren’t on any “side” that reject your “solution”. Read a fucking book. Like, your shit is all over the place

I’m begging you to be less of a cringe idiot.

Second, “we just want less people to die” tells me nothing about your method. That’s not a solution or a proposed plan, that’s the outcome YOU claim will be the result OF your plan. Literally everyone “wants less people to die”, this is a meaningless statement meant to obfuscate the fact that how you propose going about preventing people from dying is flawed, by my estimation and by the estimation of those who disagree with you.

Your actual solution is “guns bad guns bad les guns good”, which is why people accuse you of using such logic - you’re just upset they’re not swallowing your line about “only wanting less people to die”. That’s how you want to frame things, not what you’re actually proposing.

This is simple shit to lay out and explain and it’s pathetic that I need to do it, but here we are. Your “solution” sucks, your “solution” violates human sovereignty, your “solution” has failed repeatedly, so we reject it.

So in reality here, that’s what your argument boils down to, it’s your own fault, and pretending that your argument is “we want to stop people from dying” is straight up fucking stupid because as it turns out, so do the people who disagree with you. We disagree on the method of achieving that goal, idiot, and if you weren’t such a dent headed state worshipper you’d understand that.

“Some people never observe anything.  Life just happens to them.  They get by on little more than a kind of dumb persistence, and they resist with anger and resentment anything that might lift them out of that false serenity.”

- Frank Herbert, Dune

[ricwulf-banned]

lol, Karl is definitely afraid of the gun though. This was them telling on themselves more than anything. And it's not even fear of the gun itself. They fear what gun ownership ultimately represents: self-ownership and all the responsibility that entails. These people never grew up and are perpetual children.

[buryprogs-notrifles]

Usually people @karlton-margus don’t actually care about people dying, just the method used. You bring up the number of deaths from drugs, malpractice, driving, or anything else and they don’t care. That’s how you can tell these people are basically programmed little mouth pieces with zero awareness or independent thought

[westfailia-deactivated20240822]

literally communists and fascists have been in an ideological fight to the death since the inception of fascism don’t give me this “authoritarians are all the same” shit

[anarchpunk]

Supporting the state forcibly taking all property makes you a fascist.

Fascist.

[aletheyass]

btw you should absolutely read stuff you don't agree with. you should think critically about it. you should reflect and find different stimuli and maybe even form your own thought based on or opposed to it. ideas aren't contagious and reading words someone else has told you are "bad" won't infect you like a virus and make you "evil". read with your own brain.

[massharp1971]

It's true, dear reader, you are a special case and immune to influence. Yeah everyone else is influenced by propaganda as evidenced by the voting habits of entire nations being manipulated by things like Cambridge Analytica and Fox News. Yeah, propaganda against Jews sent millions to the gas chambers. Sure, white supremacy, misogny and other forms of structural oppression are so insidious most people don't know they're reading it or how it's influencing them and most anti-oppression experts reccommend counterbalancing your inevitable saturation with such rhetoric by actively choosing to read anti-oppressive material as much as possible But you, the target of this post, are special. You can think for yourself, unlike most other humans, who are a uniquely socially influenced species. But you are different. You are an exception. Go read Ayn Rand and Mein Kamf and Jordan Peterson and don't worry at all that such rhetoric is insidious and will inevitably set your brain a-thinking within the seductive framework the books are set.

Or, you could make an ethical decision about the amount of reading time you have left in your life and be a little fucking humble, recognising that you will inevitably have been over-exposed to the victor's side of the story in just about everything. You'll realise that you're not going to understand racism just by thinking for yourself, but by reading the words of people who've experienced and studied racism. You'll read women and trans folk and disabled writers and have the good grace to recognise if you don't belong to those groups, you will inevitably be swayed and comforted by the words of people who seek to undermine their liberation struggles, because those are words you've been saturated with since the day you were born and they will seem familiar and true, even as they devalue peoples lives and endanger them.

[disgruntled-foreign-patriarch]

gee someone sounds huffy about someonr mildly proposing that people stick a toe outside their hugbox every now and then.

[whiterabbitsandfairydust]

It’s hilarious because critically engaging with ideas outside of your own is how we combat susceptibility to propaganda. Exposing yourself to many ideas and forcing your own brain t work through them stops other people from using your brain for you.

Also hilarious that this npc doesn’t realize that propaganda comes from both sides. How does a leftist know that what they believe is true if they’re not engaging with other beliefs and using their own critical thinking and research to come to the truth? The answer is they don’t but inside the cult’s bubble they never have to worry about that. Only about being “righteous” even if all facts point against them.

[tortoisesensei]

I honestly believe these people are telling on themselves with this shit. It’s almost like not only are THEY the actual authoritarians, but they are also idiots who can’t think for themselves.

[aletheyass]

btw you should absolutely read stuff you don't agree with. you should think critically about it. you should reflect and find different stimuli and maybe even form your own thought based on or opposed to it. ideas aren't contagious and reading words someone else has told you are "bad" won't infect you like a virus and make you "evil". read with your own brain.

[house-mpreg]

No no that will happen. Like. Reading words and doing your best to either incorporate them or abandon them is fine, but read enough nazi propoganda and you will have nazi thoughts in there somewhere. Dont assume you're this impenetrable fortress of morality. Be careful with ideas you know are bad for you

[tortoisesensei]

If you think that Nazi propaganda will easily influence you, then you’re basically telling us your morals are nonexistent, and you’re not smart enough to criticize something you think is wrong.

[house-mpreg]

Yeah dude. You're immortal and can do no wrong. L

[tortoisesensei]

Uh... what?

I’m smart enough to listen to a Nazi’s beliefs and arguments, formulate my opinions, come to the conclusion that his beliefs are laughable, and then prove it... by laughing at them. Why? Because I know better. 

Yeah, yeah, sure, “You are not immune to propaganda” and shit like that, but don’t act like you can’t debunk it. You can. If you think you can’t, you’re giving Nazi ideology much more power than it actually has.