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@veterandemigod
THIS. I saw a post the other day that literally said if you do it to a fictional character, you’ll do it in real life.
No. Just NO.
I’m so glad someone put it into words.
Lin-Manuel Miranda is a legend, and he’s absolutely right.
And I really feel like there are parts of fandom that don’t get or don’t believe this, and I think that’s troubling. I’ve seen arguments that people shouldn’t have dark fantasies, or that bad impulses in themselves make a bad person. I’ve seen so much shaming over thoughts.
And if you get to a point where it’s bad to have dark thoughts and it’s bad to wonder what something would be like and it’s bad to put yourself in the shoes of anyone who isn’t “pure”, if fiction is no longer a realm where you can confront and explore, but an ongoing test of moral purity… well, maybe not everyone’s brain works like mine, but I feel like that takes away something incredibly important to being human.
Purity culture is gonna kill art if y’all let it.
Fiction is a safe place to explore whatever fucked up or dark desire that you have. You can write the most vile and fucked up shit in fiction and it be absolutely nothing you desire in real life. You can write about a serial killer who gets away with it. You can write about someone who goes on moral crusades to purge the world of all evils and still be the protagonist. You can write anything in fiction because that’s what it is meant for.
It isn’t meant to be a social commentary unless you create it to be.
It isn’t meant to be educational unless you create it to be.
Sometimes a story can be just that, a story. Entertainment. Nothing more, nothing less.
Not everything has to be deep, or have meaning, etc. unless the creator wants it to be and a lot of the purity types end up forcing something to have deep meaning or social commentary where it isn’t meant to. Is this inherently bad? No, but these people don’t just say “But this is my interpretation of it.” they go as far as trying to force that interpretation onto everyone else, including the creator, as a means of saying “See? It means that they promote/condone xyz so they’re bad and shitty people who should spend the rest of their life in jail with/are the same as people who’ve actually committed acts of violence against other people.”
THANK. YOU.
@ all the people in the notes saying “yes except u can’t write about (list of immoral things they don’t want to see in fiction)” congrats on missing the point so spectacularly I’m not sure I could create better performance art if I tried
Being an active participant in fandom requires a certain level of self-regulating in order to be a healthy activity. It requires the ability to say “Not for me,” or “Not today,” and walk away.
We can have conversations about patterns we see in fanworks. We can discuss how we portray characters and relationships, how to effectively convey what we want to in writing, how to sensitively approach representations of marginalized characters. But having those conversations productively requires that we approach each other in good faith, and it requires the ability to self-regulate–including recognizing that often there is no hard line, no black and white answer, and we won’t always come to the same conclusions.
It requires an understanding up front that eliminating all fanworks we don’t care for is not the end goal of these conversations.
I’ll give a personal example. There is a ship that deeply, viscerally upsets me in like 95% of its iterations. I can explain why I don’t like it if asked. I’ve written about why I don’t think it’s handled well in canon.
And if I wanted to–if I wanted to–I could make a very convincing-sounding argument for why that ship is objectively bad and wrong and no one should ship it. Not because that’s objectively right, mind you, but because I’m good at arguing. I could slap that together in like… ten minutes, probably.
I don’t do that. If I vent about it on my own blog, it’s as infrequently as I can manage, because I do my best to avoid the content that upsets me. I don’t seek it out to get riled up about it. I don’t seek out content that upsets me, read it in its entirety, and then leave angry comments and send my friends to harass the author. I don’t choose a high-profile writer for the content I don’t like and engage in a targeted campaign of harassment against them all while claiming to be addressing a general problem.
If you are deliberately seeking out content that you know will upset you and reading it anyway and then feeling that you need to take those bad feelings out on the creator, you are not taking care of yourself. You are not engaging in healthy behavior or productive coping mechanisms. You are not keeping yourself safe, and you are not helping to make fandom safer for others. You are not engaging in good faith.
If you find that you do this and you can’t seem to stop, you may need to take some kind of further steps up to and including taking a break from fandom. I’m serious. I’ve taken breaks myself for that exact reason. There’s no shame in it.
Please monitor your own ability to self-regulate. Please actively evaluate whether or not you are engaging in healthy and productive behavior, for yourself and for others.
this keeps coming up, in all sorts of different discourse, so I finally gave up and made it a meme
discourses that this applies to, an incomplete list:
People Are Reading Media With Problematic Themes, They Should Stop Doing That
This Media Has Special Meaning To X Group Only, Y Group Has No Reason To Engage So Why Do They Anyway
People Are Getting Into Media Specifically To Engage With The Fandom And I Don’t Like That
People Are Shipping Things That Aren’t Supported In The Canon
People Are Reading Media They’re Too Old For
People Are Reading Media They’re Too Young For
People Are Reading Media That Depicts Harm Similar To Harm They’ve Experienced, Why Would They Do That
People Are Reading Media That Isn’t Realistic Or Correct, They Will Get Wrong Ideas
and the answer for all of these is *taps the sign*
People Are Enjoying Stuff I Dislike
People Are Creating Stuff I Dislike
People Exist That I Dislike
Sally, to Paul: I can’t believe he’s even talking to you. He doesn’t like anyone.
Percy: Yeah, I don’t like anyone.
Sally: But we’re really working on that.
Percy: No, she’s working on that.
Frank: I've never seen you work this hard at anything, ever.
Percy: That's because I care so much. I set an alarm for 5:00 a.m. so I could switch Octavian's fiber pills with placebos.
Frank: Dammit. I want to care about something as much as you care about ruining Octavian's life.
Percy: Will said I was fine. Just a mild concussion.
Annabeth: No, he said it could've been worse. Not the same.
Firmly believe that Percy has Alexis Rose energy to Paul even before he knows about the gods. As in he will casually pepper a bonkers anecdote into a conversation. Like Paul asks if he’s ever been to the St. Louis arch and he’s like “yeah, but I didn’t get to enjoy it cause I had to jump out of it into the river.
Or Paul mentions something in LA and Percy’s like “I’ve been but I got into a shootout on the beach :/“
Percy, exhausted: Here, I need you to slap me.
Annabeth: I’m not going to do that, Percy.
Annabeth: [slaps him as hard as she can] I thought perhaps the element of surprise would help.
Percy, suddenly energized: It did!
If Garth Brooks were on Spotify my playlists would be revolutionary.
fandom kids these days really be out here pretending like fandom wasnt invented by housewives that were super into star trek
They were also kinky bitches.
Sex pollen? Trekkie house wives invented that trope.
Going into heat? Tekkie wives said were gonna write it.
Fuck or die was basically trademarked in Trekkie fic
Any common lewd or ship trope in fandom existance? Thank some 25yo+ ladies who were really into Star Trek.
Mary sue is literally named for a (i believe) self insert into Trekkie fic.
These bitches ran so you could bitch about people walking while you crawl.
Never forget
To source it:
Sex Pollen: 50/50 credit between canon Poison Ivy and Star Trek (1966/1967)
Heat: Star Trek’s Pon Farr, but also canon elements of Sime-Gen (which, haha still draws from Star Trek)
F/uck or die: see Pon Farr again
Mary Sue: was coined in 1973 by Paula Smith who wrote a parody fic entitled “A Trekkie’s Tale” in her zine Menagerie, basically as a rant response to a trend in characterizations.
“Any common lewd or ship trope in fandom existance? Thank some 25yo+ ladies who were really into Star Trek.”
Absolutely accurate. Star Trek fandom really had it and made it all.
“These bitches ran so you could bitch about people walking while you crawl.”
aint this the fucken truth
I haven’t even gotten my physical copy of folklore yet.
Leo: Jason, go, go! We’re going to lose them! You keep nerd-stopping at every sign.
Jason, driving: Look, if I get another ticket, they’re gonna make me wear eyeglasses.
[later]
Jason: You’re honestly the worst backseat driver.
Leo: You admitted to driving while legally blind!
Jason: You’re telling me what to do the entire time.
Leo: Legally blind!
On Callouts, Triggers, and Problematic Content
So as I’m apparently in A Mood Today, let’s talk about callout culture and fucking drama a little. Via a story.
So once upon a time I followed a person on here. They posted about stuff I had an interest in. And every once in a while they would go all manic about something that pissed them off. Something someone said on the internet that was Wrong about their favorite topic. And sometimes I read these rants, amused, and decided to avoid the person they were talking about. And sometimes I just ignored them. Sometimes they got annoying when it was post after post about the same damn thing.. You know how it goes, the Tumblr posts of “…and ANoTHeR ThInG…”
And then one day, the rant of the day was about….me.
Someone on the internet, they wrote, had recommended at Thing That They Liked and in so doing had compared it to a Thing That They Didn’t Like. And it was like 1-2K about how idiotic the comparison was and how inexperienced you had to be in the genre to even make that comparison, and how it was borderline homophobic and emblematic of everything that was wrong with….fuck I don’t know.
So I read this, bemused, going…is this about me? It has to be about me, right? I did that. Could someone else have made that same comparison? Maybe…but no, pretty sure this is About Me.
So I commented. Yeah, that was me, I said. I wrote that in a post three years ago. I was trying to get my followers, who are fans of That Thing You Hate, since that’s the fandom I was in and the main topic of my blog, to consume this Piece Of Media You Like by making comparisons between them. I was trying to encourage people to support this indie creator and expose them to new art. Uh, sorry?
And I got a private apology and they took down the post, which, you know, good. I just sorta went okay and kept following them. But then I couldn’t react the same to their one-sided rants about How Wrong Other People Were anymore. Because I’d seen the people reflexively agreeing on their post about me, without any of the context that made the central OMG Wrong Thing make sense.
And finally this person went on a multi-day rant about someone else, a creator who I happen to know from a fandom. They were complaining about how terrible their work was, how offensive because of this one small aspect of it. An aspect that they found horribly objectionable because it reminded them of their own past abuser.
And you know, I didn’t have that reaction to the work. I didn’t see the horribly offensive flaw. I mean, I saw a character who did bad things, but I didn’t see that it completely morally compromised the whole work, the creator, and everything they would ever produce ever.
So I stopped following this person, because it wasn’t contributing to my enjoyment of the internet anymore.
But I was thinking about them today. Not only the way they took my own post out of context and made it a Whole Moral Deal, but the way they were personally triggered by a work of art due to their specific life history and then used that to label the work and the author Objectionable.
Continua a leggere
Nico: I wish I had my knives, we could’ve made a blood pact!
Percy: Ooh, next time.
Percy: Do you think Frank would be mad if I got a turtle and named it Frank, even though I had that name picked out before I met him?