have you considered that bell hooks was simply... wrong? what has bell hooks feminism achieved for women?
Emma Watson tried to be a good girl feminist with the #HeForShe "male friendly" feminism clownery years ago and what do men do today? they make memes about her wrinkled forehead on how she "hit the wall" and no one cares. its one sided
also i like how "feminism" is too loaded a term for you but not "mra"
only reason people hate trans men is because they see them as female anyway... esp the incel trans women who hate on them out of jealousy, its misogyny not misandry.. ijbol stop trying to trick women into being your little knights.
also i like how "feminism" is too loaded a term for you but not "mra"
If people tolerated misogyny from mras to the level they tolerate misandry from feminists i'd think MRA was too loaded of a term.
MRA gets a pass because they are the under dogs. there is more recognition of feminist ideals and talking points among systems of authority (HR, School policies, etc) then MRA ideals.
A single feminist (Mary Koss) was able to set the direction of rape studies for over 20 years to exclude the ~80% of male rape victims who were raped by women such that large parts of society still today think the gender breakdown of rape victims is 90:10 and not 60:40.
When MRAs get the power to do that to women you get to make that comparison.
Also people attack the MRA term as a means to dismiss ALL pro-male advocacy. If this wasn't true you wouldn't see feminism-for-men feminists getting called MRAs as a derogatorily remark all the time. Advocating for men while female wouldn't get you called a pick-me. But the ideals about MRAs are just an excuse used to shut down any and all advocacy for men.
This is why trans men have to deal with the same accusations of being misogynistic MRAs based on nothing other then they said some pro-(trans) men.
have you considered that bell hooks was simply… wrong?
I'm not qualified to properly tell you off for this remark, could you ask this of @doberbutts please.
Emma Watson tried to be a good girl feminist with the #HeForShe "male friendly" feminism clownery years ago
Cute. This was the exact kind of feminism i've spoken out against:
"The master's tools will never dismantle the master's house." HeForShe played on chivalric ideals of men being expected to go out their way for women's benefit based on nothing more than their gender. You can not get rid of sexism by using sexism. You can not get rid of the patriarchy by using the patriarchy, you can not stamp out toxic masculinity by using toxic masculinity.
Male inclusive gender equality is about calling out chivalry as sexist against men, not just sexist against women.
Male inclusive gender equality is not saying "of course feminists know the patriarchy hurts men too" to shutdown men who try to emotionally vent or debrief about people they have met who pretend otherwise and that men have no issues and thus if they complain about anything they must be sheltered and privileged and a man child (calling men who are "too emotional" man children just reinforces the idea that men have to hide their emotions to be respected as a self actualized adult).
Male inclusive gender equality is about asking why its so normal to use the male gender to refer to something being done in a bad way. (bro gamers, dude bros, mansplain, manspread, the attempt to do the same with bernie bros because the bros reclaimed it for themselves. the "bro vote").
Male inclusive gender equality is about not getting so caught up trying to prove women had some specific and exclusive victim-hood WRT to rape that you accidentally(assuming undeserved good faith) erase 80% of male victims and set back anti-rape advocacy 10 years.
only reason people hate trans men is because they see them as female anyway
Some do, yes, and hate them for it, call them "traitors". others do and accuse them of trying to escape female oppression or gain male privilege
Tell me, which "enemy" have trans men now sided with to be called traitors?
Do you not see how it still requires misandry to work? It still requires seeing men as the enemy to view trans men as traitors to that enemy.
Others on the other hand see their masculinity as something to be feared, and will slowly find excuses to hate them for causing that fear. (Which would be solved, again, by addressing misandry and androphobia and never allowing it to fester among certain feminist circles in the 80s and 90s into what it became today)
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